Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[color_me_gone]

But it seems that you were too agitated, too excited, and too vigilant to make it really work.

100% agree.
More than likely, what felt like suffocation, was actually a severe anxiety attack.
The feeling of anxiety can manifest itself in almost any way one can imagine.

 

[freetoleave]

I'm not anxious, have you ever tried to breathe pure nitrogen before write your message ?

 

[Aap]

Suicide is stressful, and a panic attack wouldn't be uncommon. If someone specifically felt "suffocation," then this was anxiety, a gas with CO2, COPD, or improper flow rate.

certainly not to discount the users experience, but an atmosphere of a pure inert gas just doesn't induce this sensation In individuals without impaired respiratory issues or allow for consciousness longer than a few seconds when active breathing is employed.

 

[Lame Old Duke]

I tried this method a couple of months back. I was able to purchase everything online. Helium balloon canister at 97%. When i decided it was time i followed all the instructions turned the helium on and started to breathe deeply for 30/40 seconds, i felt nothing to be honest. So i removed the bag and turned the helium off. Next thing i know i'm waking up 20 minutes later totally confused as to what had happened and where i was. I think if i had given it longer i would not be around anymore.

Has this ever happened to anyone?
This was using plain old Helium for balloons.

 

[Greenberg]

I wrote a recent commentary on the Exit Bag method and have included a link here for future reference:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/the-appeal-of-the-exit-bag.43661/#post-793626

 

[Justanotherpasserby]

Do you guys think this is pure helium as advertised?

HELIUM BALLOON TANK: Disposable Helium Balloon Gas 13.4l Tank [Filled Locally in Singapore] : Amazon.sg: Toys

HELIUM BALLOON TANK: Disposable Helium Balloon Gas 13.4l Tank [Filled Locally in Singapore] : Amazon.sg: Toys

www.amazon.sg

I tried this method a couple of months back. I was able to purchase everything online. Helium balloon canister at 97%. When i decided it was time i followed all the instructions turned the helium on and started to breathe deeply for 30/40 seconds, i felt nothing to be honest. So i removed the bag and turned the helium off. Next thing i know i'm waking up 20 minutes later totally confused as to what had happened and where i was. I think if i had given it longer i would not be around anymore.

Has this ever happened to anyone?
This was using plain old Helium for balloons.

Do you, by any chance, have detailed instructions on how to make the exit bag?

 

[Greenberg]

Do you guys think this is pure helium as advertised?

HELIUM BALLOON TANK: Disposable Helium Balloon Gas 13.4l Tank [Filled Locally in Singapore] : Amazon.sg: Toys

HELIUM BALLOON TANK: Disposable Helium Balloon Gas 13.4l Tank [Filled Locally in Singapore] : Amazon.sg: Toys

www.amazon.sg

Do you, by any chance, have detailed instructions on how to make the exit bag?

I do not believe the helium would be 100% pure. My guess is that it is doped with oxygen.

In terms of the exit bag, may I suggest that you consider the non-rebreather mask? There is ample information on my blog on Blogspot. My handle there is nitrogenexit.

 

[BlueDream77]

I tried this method a couple times. Had issues with my SI. I'm super weird about a bag over the head. I really wanted to try a tent like set up. Perhaps a tarp a frame deal with duck tape to seal the seems. Perhaps leave a little exaust hole like in the exit bag. So what if I did something like this, would a 150 CF tank suffice? I'n essence it'd be a large bag over the head.

Ideally than I'd turn the gas on low as hell. Right before I did, I'd knock myself out with a large dose of crushed benzo in alcohol tincture.
To avoid the panic while the gas worked up in concentration with the CO2 residual.

My paranoia is in a a frame tent about 8 feet long 4 feet wide and 4 feet tall, will the 150 CF be adequate..
?? ( All I can afford with my budget)

Or is there any chance I'll wake up fucked in the head or would this be even feasible..??

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I tried this method a couple times. Had issues with my SI. I'm super weird about a bag over the head. I really wanted to try a tent like set up. Perhaps a tarp a frame deal with duck tape to seal the seems. Perhaps leave a little exaust hole like in the exit bag. So what if I did something like this, would a 150 CF tank suffice? I'n essence it'd be a large bag over the head.

Ideally than I'd turn the gas on low as hell. Right before I did, I'd knock myself out with a large dose of crushed benzo in alcohol tincture.
To avoid the panic while the gas worked up in concentration with the CO2 residual.

My paranoia is in a a frame tent about 8 feet long 4 feet wide and 4 feet tall, will the 150 CF be adequate..
?? ( All I can afford with my budget)

Or is there any chance I'll wake up fucked in the head or would this be even feasible..??

This is a recipe for disaster. Air would leak into the tent from tiny holes and high chance you wake up with brain damage.
I was going to try something similar (in an inflatable bath) a while back and after some research and comments from very experienced members and welders I realised was a dumb idea and I completely dumped it.

 

[BlueDream77]

DaMn , ok yeah no bueno huh. DaMn..

 

[color_me_gone]

@BlueDream77 don't feel bad, almost everybody who sees this method HATES the idea of the bag over your head, me included. Everybody (including me), came up with alternatives to the bag. But the experts insist the bag is the most reliable, with a proven track record. Alternatives will either plain not work, or will be fraught with problems.

 

[Greenberg]

@BlueDream77 don't feel bad, almost everybody who sees this method HATES the idea of the bag over your head, me included. Everybody (including me), came up with alternatives to the bag. But the experts insist the bag is the most reliable, with a proven track record. Alternatives will either plain not work, or will be fraught with problems.

You are right! The whole bag thing is so claustrophobic. What is worse, is that it fogs up rapidly and makes you sweat.

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

Do you guys think this is pure helium as advertised?

HELIUM BALLOON TANK: Disposable Helium Balloon Gas 13.4l Tank [Filled Locally in Singapore] : Amazon.sg: Toys

HELIUM BALLOON TANK: Disposable Helium Balloon Gas 13.4l Tank [Filled Locally in Singapore] : Amazon.sg: Toys

www.amazon.sg

Do you, by any chance, have detailed instructions on how to make the exit bag?

I agree that this helium is almost guaranteed to be mixed with air. I see it's out of stock anyway.

The Peaceful Pill eHandbook has instructions on how to make a oven roasting bag hood. It's available from Exit International, and there are a few older bootleg copies in the resource thread. I have a March 2020 bootleg, but I can't remember where I got it from. Much of the info on obtaining gas and flowmeter regulators is IMO outdated and incorrect, though.

 

[TheQ22]

I'll tell you one idea I've had that I think would work - you'll think I'm nuts but bear with me...

I have a large-ish american style fridge freezer, firdge one side, freezer the other, and the fridge stopped working, wasn't cooling down. I rang a few repair engineers and one of them said don't bother calling anyone out just empty the freezer and the fridge, then turn it off and put pans of hot water in the freezer side, shut the doors and leave it for 3 or 4 hours.

I did and when I opened it I was amazed that it was still red hot in there, and even more amazing the fridge side was also red hot too - bugger because I'd left the milk in.

Anyway, I digress - these types of fridge freezers work by the coldness from the freezer side going though an air vent and cooling the fridge, and they are absolutely air tight, the amount of heat it retained for hours it was like a thermos flask. So....

If you laid one on it's back, put the N tank in the fridge and open the gas valve and shut the door, then get into the freezer side when it's had time to fill up, and shut the door, I think that would be 100% effective, if perhaps a bit Hammer House of Horror Dracula-esque.

 

[Greenberg]

I'll tell you one idea I've had that I think would work - you'll think I'm nuts but bear with me...

I have a large-ish american style fridge freezer, firdge one side, freezer the other, and the fridge stopped working, wasn't cooling down. I rang a few repair engineers and one of them said don't bother calling anyone out just empty the freezer and the fridge, then turn it off and put pans of hot water in the freezer side, shut the doors and leave it for 3 or 4 hours.

I did and when I opened it I was amazed that it was still red hot in there, and even more amazing the fridge side was also red hot too - bugger because I'd left the milk in.

Anyway, I digress - these types of fridge freezers work by the coldness from the freezer side going though an air vent and cooling the fridge, and they are absolutely air tight, the amount of heat it retained for hours it was like a thermos flask. So....

If you laid one on it's back, put the N tank in the fridge and open the gas valve and shut the door, then get into the freezer side when it's had time to fill up, and shut the door, I think that would be 100% effective, if perhaps a bit Hammer House of Horror Dracula-esque.

Your fridge story reminds me of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull! LOL

 

[TheQ22]

Your fridge story reminds me of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull! LOL

I had another idea - if you turn the fridge freezer on before you get in then if the N doesn't work you'll freeze to death instead LoL.

 

[Greenberg]

Yeah, let us add some vodka to the mix; it will surely feel better!! LOL

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

I'll tell you one idea I've had that I think would work - you'll think I'm nuts but bear with me...

I have a large-ish american style fridge freezer, firdge one side, freezer the other, and the fridge stopped working, wasn't cooling down. I rang a few repair engineers and one of them said don't bother calling anyone out just empty the freezer and the fridge, then turn it off and put pans of hot water in the freezer side, shut the doors and leave it for 3 or 4 hours.

I did and when I opened it I was amazed that it was still red hot in there, and even more amazing the fridge side was also red hot too - bugger because I'd left the milk in.

Anyway, I digress - these types of fridge freezers work by the coldness from the freezer side going though an air vent and cooling the fridge, and they are absolutely air tight, the amount of heat it retained for hours it was like a thermos flask. So....

If you laid one on it's back, put the N tank in the fridge and open the gas valve and shut the door, then get into the freezer side when it's had time to fill up, and shut the door, I think that would be 100% effective, if perhaps a bit Hammer House of Horror Dracula-esque.

Perhaps this post is meant to be humorous and not a serious suggestion, and if so, I don't mean any offense to @TheQ22, but even if so, I feel it is important for me to give my opinion in case others may try something like this idea. I don't believe it would work at all, and it is an example of a lack of understanding of how inert gas works.

Inert gas causes coma and death by preventing oxygen from being inhaled and absorbed by the lungs, and when breathing in an enclosed space such as a plastic bag, displacing and flushing away exhaled air containing carbon dioxide so it isn't breathed again which would trigger the hypercapnic response and create the urge to seek fresh air. To create the required nearly pure nitrogen environment, the air would first somehow need to be removed from the refrigerator and then replaced with nitrogen at atmospheric pressure. Then, unless the volume of the refrigerator is high enough that the exhaled CO2 can diffuse into the inert gas to a very low concentration, which to me is doubtful, a steady flow of inert gas would be required to continue to purge the exhaled CO2 so it isn't breathed again. Since gas is being added to the space, gas must be allowed to escape at the same rate to prevent the pressure from increasing, so a vent is required, which wouldn't be present in a tightly sealed refrigerator. Additionally, the volume of gas required would be many times that required for an oven bag.

 

[TheQ22]

Perhaps this post is meant to be humorous and not a serious suggestion, and if so, I don't mean any offense to @TheQ22, but even if so, I feel it is important for me to give my opinion in case others may try something like this idea. I don't believe it would work at all, and it is an example of a lack of understanding of how inert gas works.

Inert gas causes coma and death by preventing oxygen from being inhaled and absorbed by the lungs, and when breathing in an enclosed space such as a plastic bag, displacing and flushing away exhaled air containing carbon dioxide so it isn't breathed again which would trigger the hypercapnic response and create the urge to seek fresh air. To create the required nearly pure nitrogen environment, the air would first somehow need to be removed from the refrigerator and then replaced with nitrogen at atmospheric pressure. Then, unless the volume of the refrigerator is high enough that the exhaled CO2 can diffuse into the inert gas to a very low concentration, which to me is doubtful, a steady flow of inert gas would be required to continue to purge the exhaled CO2 so it isn't breathed again. Since gas is being added to the space, gas must be allowed to escape at the same rate to prevent the pressure from increasing, so a vent is required, which wouldn't be present in a tightly sealed refrigerator. Additionally, the volume of gas required would be many times that required for an oven bag.

No I thought it would work, there's a lot of gas in one of those welding cylinders, leaving it on in one side would displace all of the air very quickly if the freezer door was partly opened, creating a pretty much 100% nitrogen environment. If you then exhaled completely before getting in there wouldn't be a lot of CO2 to get rid of, and it'll be dispersed into something the size of a fridge freezer, not a small plastic bag around your head, so by dilution and volume the bag would be significantly worse for CO2 reabsorbtion.

I believe exit or one of them do indeed have a nitrogen / helium chamber - this is a DIY version.

Maybe it wouldn't work, but it would be more likely to work than trying to open the tank in a tent as someone said above, where the gas would definitely leak out.

 

[color_me_gone]

If you then exhaled completely before getting in there wouldn't be a lot of CO2 to get rid of

Not true.
The body continues to make CO2 even while you are breathing in 100% nitrogen.
How?
Well the blood stores a lot of O2.
The body continues living by using up the stored O2, even while breathing 100% nitrogen.
During the metabolism process, O2 is converted to CO2, which is exhaled.
So a significant amount of CO2 must still be purged until death occurs.

 

[TheQ22]

Not true.
The body continues to make CO2 even while you are breathing in 100% nitrogen.
How?
Well the blood stores a lot of O2.
The body continues living by using up the stored O2, even while breathing 100% nitrogen.
During the metabolism process, O2 is converted to CO2, which is exhaled.
So a significant amount of CO2 must still be purged until death occurs.

Well maybe it wouldn't work then. I was thinking it would lead to less leak than a tent, but maybe the bag on head is the better option.

Cheers, I thought it might be viable, obviously I don't recommend anyone tried my idea in case it doesnt work. If bags work then go with bags.

 

[rancho]

Would alcohol help to calm the nerves during that first minute when you pull that bag down before you pass out? Obviously you wouldnt want to get too drunk... Or you'll screw it up. I'll probably avoid alcohol altogether or maybe have just a few beers before hand

I've been wondering this same question.

 

[color_me_gone]

I've been wondering this same question.

I think a shot or two of your favorite hard liquor, or Xanax or other anti-anxiety drug would certainly help.
At least with this method, there is no worry about what goes in your stomach beforehand.

 

[Englishman94]

How tight should the bag be around the neck?

 

[nitroautnz]

How tight should the bag be around the neck?

tight but should be able to fit your finger under it, for allowing the nitrogen to push the CO out of the bag. So it shouldn't be tight sealed.

 

[Lion_50]

Can someone assist me with eu based materials. I've found two flow regulator suppliers but one is out of stock (escmode) and Max dog (which takes 6+ weeks) I will order the latter but prefer a local, quicker supplier.

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

Can someone assist me with eu based materials. I've found two flow regulator suppliers but one is out of stock (escmode) and Max dog (which takes 6+ weeks) I will order the latter but prefer a local, quicker supplier.

I recommend finding an inert gas welding supply company in your country, then ask them for a flowmeter regulator for the type of gas you are using. Make sure it has the same type of fitting that the gas cylinder has so it will connect directly to it.

 

[color_me_gone]

Make sure it has the same type of fitting that the gas cylinder has so it will connect directly to it.

Shouldn't be a problem if the cylinder was also purchased in the same country, but *could* be a problem if another country. Each country specifies the type of fitting to be used, and there are many.

 

[Lion_50]

I recommend finding an inert gas welding supply company in your country, then ask them for a flowmeter regulator for the type of gas you are using. Make sure it has the same type of fitting that the gas cylinder has so it will connect directly to it.

I wil certainly do that if required, however I would prefer to buy the regulator online. I assume the gas cylinders through the eu are standardised so there must be innumerable retailers (welding companies etc) supplying them

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

I wil certainly do that if required, however I would prefer to buy the regulator online. I assume the gas cylinders through the eu are standardised so there must be innumerable retailers (welding companies etc) supplying them

Yes I think most welding supply companies would have a website where you can purchase one online and have it shipped to your home. Since I live in the US, I am only familiar with the flowmeter regulators sold here that fit US standard tank fittings. My main suggestion is to find one designed for welding rather than medical gas like I believe escmode is.