final prayers

[58Alice85]

I pray that my death does not cause God negative feelings or disturbance.
I do not care if the whole world hates Jesus Christ i will still love him
If i go to hell, Christ's judgement is still perfect
i have commited sodomy and suicide, wished to be anally raped by Christ, committed theophilia in my head
i simply ask that my life or death gave some kind of pleasure to God
Amen

 

[hell toupee]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

-Epicurus

 

[Traveller12724]

I am not judging at all, I am just curious, but what do you exactly mean by commiting sodomy ? And where did the fantasy of being anally raped by christ come from exactly ?

 

[58Alice85]

I am not judging at all, I am just curious, but what do you exactly mean by commiting sodomy ? And where did the fantasy of being anally raped by christ come from exactly ?

I dress up as a girl and take it from behind, this is called sodomy in my religion

 

[EmptyBottle]

I doubt Jesus would perform adult acts on someone though. Maybe some others will (if both consent) in the afterlife?

I also doubt one goes to hell after destroying themselves, but I know it isn't as easy as skipping life. Maybe there is some answering to do, maybe some less preferred duties for the afterlife, etc... tho with people CTBing because of severe abuse, it is the abusers who will more likely be in hell.


PS: Being able but not willing to stop evil might not make God malevolent. Maybe he studies the evil using Earth as a testing ground so he knows exactly what to watch for and prevent, in the afterlife? Maybe removing evil requires thought monitoring and anti-free-will stuff that is harsh in itself, and God prefers his creation having free will instead of feeling stuck?

 

[58Alice85]

Had some mild hallucinations today
heard a voice say 'you want to suck off homeless people'
when i came home for a split second saw some creature lying on my bed
another voice said 'life is a video game'
constant olfactory hallucinations of molten plastic or maybe this is just all the trash outside melting from the heat

 

[58Alice85]

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

-Epicurus

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

 

[hell toupee]

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

If God truly knows everything - the past, present, and future, that means you don't have free will at all.

It's a logical contradiction.

He knowingly assembled you, put your neurons together in a specific way, and knew before you were born that you would go on to commit evil.

This is akin to breaking a dog's leg and punishing him for limping.

All of that aside, the original purpose of religion was to provide a framework, or roadmap, for the afterlife. When consciousness is not tethered and hampered by a physical body, the creative power of your thoughts and beliefs become your environment instantaneously - they do not largely remain internal as they do now.

This is why in NDE testimonials, Christians see Jesus, Catholics see the Pearly Gates, people who believe in hell indeed find themselves in a hellish environment, people who believe that nothing happens after death find themselves in a void, etc. It would not be fair to call these illusions, as they are no more illusions than what we call regular life. So religion provided a framework for disoriented and confused souls who have just crossed over. The crossing of the River Styx is yet another example of these roadmaps. These are all temporary, though, until you realize that it is the creative power of thought, emotion, and belief that is at the heart of the illusion.

The religious idea of a cosmic judge where your deeds are being levied against you is patently illogical. Physical existence is more of a classroom than a courtroom. The only judgement you face is your own, from a broader, objective perspective of how your actions had a ripple effect on others.

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

Alice,

I apologize.

I don't mean to beat you over the head for your beliefs. Not at all.

Sometimes I let my own personal bias' and beliefs get in the way of trying to help people, and I hate to see people beating themselves up over the idea that some type of cosmic punishment might be waiting in the afterlife. Not saying that is you, just in general.

I only wish you the best.

 

[58Alice85]

I doubt Jesus would perform adult acts on someone though. Maybe some others will (if both consent) in the afterlife?

I also doubt one goes to hell after destroying themselves, but I know it isn't as easy as skipping life. Maybe there is some answering to do, maybe some less preferred duties for the afterlife, etc... tho with people CTBing because of severe abuse, it is the abusers who will more likely be in hell.


PS: Being able but not willing to stop evil might not make God malevolent. Maybe he studies the evil using Earth as a testing ground so he knows exactly what to watch for and prevent, in the afterlife? Maybe removing evil requires thought monitoring and anti-free-will stuff that is harsh in itself, and God prefers his creation having free will instead of feeling stuck?

I believe human beings have free will and from this the capibility towards evil arises.
These arguments where God is somehow responsible for every little action humans take ignore all personal agency.

 

[PI3.14]

I believe human beings have free will and from this the capibility towards evil arises.
These arguments where God is somehow responsible for every little action humans take ignore all personal agency.

Wouldn't you agree that there is suffering that isn't man made?

For example, people not feeling happy with their gender, body, or any sort of biological aspect that we humans ofc didn't choose.

Also, God, if he does exist, he doesn't sound interested in minimizing suffering and maximizing happiness for all species.

The bad seems to outweigh the good. "One simple test of the claim that the pleasure in the world outweighs the pain … is to compare the feelings of an animal that is devouring another with those of the animal being devoured."
- Arthur Schopenhauer

So it's not only about our pain, us the humans, but about other species pain too.

I'm not against people believing in a God, a sort of conscious creator of the universe. The idea of a loving God however, IMO, requires one to ignore a lot of the ongoing suffering in this world to believe that God is an all loving being.

You might find it ridiculous to blame God for all of our pain, but it's equally ridiculous to not blame him for any. In fact, I personally blame him for all, but that will require a longer reply for why I think so.

 

[It'sMyLife]

In my religion God gave humans free will, you are free to do evil.
Do you wish to say God should have made soulless automatons who can only do good?

The problem I have is God allows evil to happen to people who aren't evil. This keeps me parked as a cynical agnostic in this life. I don't think I'm an evil person but I know I'm far from perfect and perhaps I do deserve something bad. But when i think of people who live the best lives they can and are killed and are not "saved" how could they be punished for all eternity? Now this potential outcome really would make the guy upstairs malevolent. Personally im hoping for nonexistence and will skip this judgement crap I keep hearing about. OP you are free to live your life seeking your desires as long as you aren't hurting others in the process. I hope you give yourself less of a hard time once in a while

Wouldn't you agree that there is suffering that isn't man made?

For example, people not feeling happy with their gender, body, or any sort of biological aspect that we humans ofc didn't choose.

Also, God, if he does exist, he doesn't sound interested in minimizing suffering and maximizing happiness for all species.

The bad seems to outweigh the good. "One simple test of the claim that the pleasure in the world outweighs the pain … is to compare the feelings of an animal that is devouring another with those of the animal being devoured."
- Arthur Schopenhauer

So it's not only about our pain, us the humans, but about other species pain too.

I'm not against people believing in a God, a sort of conscious creator of the universe. The idea of a loving God however, IMO, requires one to ignore a lot of the ongoing suffering in this world to believe that God is an all loving being.

You might find it ridiculous to blame God for all of our pain, but it's equally ridiculous to not blame him for any. In fact, I personally blame him for all, but that will require a longer reply for why I think so.

I've been blaming him for a long time myself. Apparently, if we do have a soul and it's created somehow and then embodied here ( it all really sounds pretty unlikely) and you have no way to prove it or determine any of it is real, and yet it still is but you don't believe it, and then you're going to eternal damnation for not believing it really all does. Well , that really is not only a waste of His creation but really is cruel and evil if you ask me. As of now I suspect this existence is probably a huge waste of time at the least but if there is a hell then God has a very poor record because most of his creations are going there. And what would the point of that be? One thing I do know is none of us asked to be here. By "here" I mean in the universe and being aware but not knowing why or how or what for. It's obvious that if there is God he allows anything to happen to anyone at any time no matter how good or bad they are. We've all seen good people get killed horribly and rotten people get away with terrible acts. The fact that we're living in a free for all with no limits should preclude the existence of a hell

 

[InTheStars]

Had some mild hallucinations today
heard a voice say 'you want to suck off homeless people'
when i came home for a split second saw some creature lying on my bed
another voice said 'life is a video game'
constant olfactory hallucinations of molten plastic or maybe this is just all the trash outside melting from the heat

Please go see a preist and talk about it, you might be under demonic attack. Also seek a medical help.

 

[EmptyBottle]

I believe human beings have free will and from this the capibility towards evil arises.
These arguments where God is somehow responsible for every little action humans take ignore all personal agency.

Yep, with the free will humans are given, it puts the responsibility on us and others to be responsible, and strive to avoid evil. Didn't consider the personal agency stuff in my reply, oops. Thanks for spotting that oversight.