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I've been experimenting placing rope half way between Adam's apple and the base of neck but the rope keeps moving on or above Adam's apple whenever I give in to my weight :(
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Yeah I used a wide piece of material. Btw I see you're from New Zealand too. If you want to chat before you CTB feel free to message me I'll be on tomorrowI've been experimenting placing rope half way between Adam's apple and the base of neck but the rope keeps moving on or above Adam's apple whenever I give in to my weight :(
Failing that I hope you find peace no matter the choice you make :)Yeah I used a wide piece of material. Btw I see you're from New Zealand too. If you want to chat before you CTB feel free to message me I'll be on tomorrow
I've been experimenting placing rope half way between Adam's apple and the base of neck but the rope keeps moving on or above Adam's apple whenever I give in to my weight :(
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Very useful for possibly future CTB methods for meI decided on a day, my birthday I'm turning 27 so seems fitting. My method is hanging and I've done a ton of research I'd like to share before it's to late.
The first time I tried to hang myself it hurt. I felt like I needed to cough from my windpipe being crushed and like my head was going to explode. If you experience this you are doing it wrong.
There are a few ways to perish by hanging.
1) lack of bloodflow to brain
2) lack of oxygen to the brain from lack of air
3) too much bloodflow to the brain
4) breaking your neck
The first opinion is your best.
Pressing on your windpipe tell you cannot breath not only hurts like hell but triggers the co2 panic response. Too much bloodflow to the brain make your head feel like exploding. This happens when you dont have enough pressure on rope. You have artery going into your brain and the jugulars draining blood from the brain. The jugular are easy to compress so when you dont have enough pressure to close the arteries the pressure in your head builds and builds and even when you die your head is bloated and purple not the way to go. Breaking your neck is very very very difficult. You must calculate your weight and height of drop the rope size and even then you can mess up and choke to death.
So again number 1 is the best option cut off all inward and outward flow of blood without crushing the trachea. How do we accomplish this?
First let's talk ligiture size and texture.
The width of the ligature matters. Yes you can accomplish this with a belt or a scarf but I'm going for comfort. Contrary to popular belief wider isnt more comfortable. Yes it may be more cofortable on the skin initially but the inability to close the arteries quickly makes it uncomfortable with the extreme head bloating. I reccomend bdsm rope its cotton or a blend and usually no bigger than a finger in width. But anything finger size or smaller will do even paracord or small wires and cords.
Now let's talk placement the most important part. Where to stick the rope on the neck.
The most common approach is to stick the ligature at the top of the neck near the jaw line and above the Adam's apple. I have found this is the most UNCOMFORTABLE place. The pressure of the ligature on the neck constricts the trachea and makes you need to cough or feel like choking. DO NOT PLACE THE ROPE AT THE TOP OF YOUR NECK.
The very base of the neck with the rope resting on the collar bones before tightening is an ok but still not recommended spot. The muscles at the base of the neck are big enough to protect your trachea but are too big to allow you to easily compress the arteries going to the brain.
The best placement of the rope is half ways between your Adam's apple and the base of your neck. Or about one to two fingers widths down from the middle of the Adam's apple. So if we visually sectioned the neck into thirds it would be the first line up from the bottom. This is the most comfortable spot it's easy to compress everything and I pass out in about 10 seconds with no airway restriction or discomfort.
Lastly lest talk knots and placement relative to face.
There is absolutely no need to learn the hangman's knot or any hard complex knots. I have found that the more complex the knot the more friction it makes and the harder it is to compress the neck. So the two best options I have found are:
1. Slip knot- slides very easily can quickly be undone and doesnt pinch
2. D rings or any kind of metal ring tied to the end of the rope makes for a frictionless slide with no pinching.
As for placement:
if the knot itself is in the front of the neck it reduces the force applied to the arteries and veins because they are close to the front of your neck not the sides.
If the knot is placed on the side of the neck it reduces the force applied to the veins and arteries on that side
If the knot is placed at the back of the neck it achieves optimal pressure on the front of the neck. The back of the neck is the best option.
Final notes:
1.Make sure what you attach your rope to is strong and I mean really strong.
2. Dont add padding under the rope it reduces pressure
3. You can test placement by wrapping the rope around your neck without tying a knot. Just crisscross it in the back grab each side of the rope and extend your arms outwards to the side tigentining it around your neck. If you pass out it will come loose and you'll be safe and sound. It's a great way to get over the SI attached to the sinking/fading away feeling by practicing loving the high.
You guys have been so amazing and have helped me so much I hope this helps you.
Yes this would be my second choice too, luckily I have firearms ! And lots of them !Thank you for sharing and I will consider this method as well should I (for any reason or cause) be unable to CTB via a firearm. I am still having trouble finding my carotid arteries, let alone compressing/pushing against them. I would say that I have a thick neck, so I don't know if that makes it even trickier to find.
What's a BDSM rope and what's the benefit of it?I just can't do this. No matter where I place the strap it either gets too uncomfortable or I just can't pass out. Maybe I need an actual rope, but no way in hell am I gonna order a BDSM rope.
Have you seen any videos ? I don't want to somehow make lots of noise and someone hear me and disrupt me. I'm In an apartment.The thrashing about is minimal;
Be careful.It can only bear 75 kgsBought the softest rope I could find today. I hope this will make it bearable.View attachment 26994
Same, i think i found the right spot too. When i press it, my vision suddenly goes white and my arms and hands start shaking, and there is almost euphoriac feeling with it... like having orgasm or something, though it also feels like i am going to lose conscious. I finally understand why there are people who use it when they masturbate. But yeah, i have no idea how to apply this knowledge with a rope.Just found my carotid arheries, began to pass out really quick, but I am compressing then with my fingers, how do I use this knowledge with a rope I wonder
Don't worry I'm below that. I'm very thin. Maybe 50-55kg no joke.Be careful.It can only bear 75 kgs
Didn't this thread already establish that the thickness doesn't even matter?6mm is a bit thin
That will be 75 kg as a safe load limit. It will probably hold 200 if you do not spike the load by dropping. Ease into it and it will be fine.Be careful.It can only bear 75 kgs
It could be. But, I wont take any chancesThat will be 75 kg as a safe load limit. It will probably hold 200 if you do not spike the load by dropping. Ease into it and it will be fine.
As I said I'm not even 75kg so it doesn't matter.It could be. But, I wont take any chances
Worst case scenario I'll buy a rougher rope or switch to another method.please be aware that a softer rope may stretch a lot so take this into consideration . any rope can stretch so always test it before use put some weight on it .
Do you have he choking feeling? And how do you kneel down without moving the thighten rope around the neck?Worst case scenario I'll buy a rougher rope or switch to another method.
Someone had a good post here today or yesterday about fighting it, basically using something akin to Cognitive Behavioral Therapy or self-talk to suppress the instinct.
Yes. I've tried multiple positions and I always get this choking feeling :/. If you don't want the rope to move around I would just tie one end to a carabiner and move the other end through. That also causes less friction. Unfortunately my last hope of staying alive has been crushed just yesterday, so my desire to CTB has only gotten more serious.Do you have he choking feeling? And how do you kneel down without moving the thighten rope around the neck?
careful with firearms, dont hold the barrel right up to your skin or the expanding gasses can blow off parts of your head, leaving a very gruesome mess for whoever finds you..Yes this would be my second choice too, luckily I have firearms ! And lots of them !
hannahb, thank you very much for your info, i wish we could find info like this more accepted and readily availibe in society.. ive always said its rediculous how we have more compassion for our dogs then our humans.. i mean if a dog is suffering and has no quality of life you put it to sleep, even though it hurts you, you know its whats most humane for the animal... why then dont we give people the same compassion? ... just sucks, wish i could get petobarbitol or whatever its called they use to euthanize animals painlesslyI decided on a day, my birthday I'm turning 27 so seems fitting. My method is hanging and I've done a ton of research I'd like to share before it's to late.
The first time I tried to hang myself it hurt. I felt like I needed to cough from my windpipe being crushed and like my head was going to explode. If you experience this you are doing it wrong.
There are a few ways to perish by hanging.
1) lack of bloodflow to brain
2) lack of oxygen to the brain from lack of air
3) too much bloodflow to the brain
4) breaking your neck
The first opinion is your best.
Pressing on your windpipe tell you cannot breath not only hurts like hell but triggers the co2 panic response. Too much bloodflow to the brain make your head feel like exploding. This happens when you dont have enough pressure on rope. You have artery going into your brain and the jugulars draining blood from the brain. The jugular are easy to compress so when you dont have enough pressure to close the arteries the pressure in your head builds and builds and even when you die your head is bloated and purple not the way to go. Breaking your neck is very very very difficult. You must calculate your weight and height of drop the rope size and even then you can mess up and choke to death.
So again number 1 is the best option cut off all inward and outward flow of blood without crushing the trachea. How do we accomplish this?
First let's talk ligiture size and texture.
The width of the ligature matters. Yes you can accomplish this with a belt or a scarf but I'm going for comfort. Contrary to popular belief wider isnt more comfortable. Yes it may be more cofortable on the skin initially but the inability to close the arteries quickly makes it uncomfortable with the extreme head bloating. I reccomend bdsm rope its cotton or a blend and usually no bigger than a finger in width. But anything finger size or smaller will do even paracord or small wires and cords.
Now let's talk placement the most important part. Where to stick the rope on the neck.
The most common approach is to stick the ligature at the top of the neck near the jaw line and above the Adam's apple. I have found this is the most UNCOMFORTABLE place. The pressure of the ligature on the neck constricts the trachea and makes you need to cough or feel like choking. DO NOT PLACE THE ROPE AT THE TOP OF YOUR NECK.
The very base of the neck with the rope resting on the collar bones before tightening is an ok but still not recommended spot. The muscles at the base of the neck are big enough to protect your trachea but are too big to allow you to easily compress the arteries going to the brain.
The best placement of the rope is half ways between your Adam's apple and the base of your neck. Or about one to two fingers widths down from the middle of the Adam's apple. So if we visually sectioned the neck into thirds it would be the first line up from the bottom. This is the most comfortable spot it's easy to compress everything and I pass out in about 10 seconds with no airway restriction or discomfort.
Lastly lest talk knots and placement relative to face.
There is absolutely no need to learn the hangman's knot or any hard complex knots. I have found that the more complex the knot the more friction it makes and the harder it is to compress the neck. So the two best options I have found are:
1. Slip knot- slides very easily can quickly be undone and doesnt pinch
2. D rings or any kind of metal ring tied to the end of the rope makes for a frictionless slide with no pinching.
As for placement:
if the knot itself is in the front of the neck it reduces the force applied to the arteries and veins because they are close to the front of your neck not the sides.
If the knot is placed on the side of the neck it reduces the force applied to the veins and arteries on that side
If the knot is placed at the back of the neck it achieves optimal pressure on the front of the neck. The back of the neck is the best option.
Final notes:
1.Make sure what you attach your rope to is strong and I mean really strong.
2. Dont add padding under the rope it reduces pressure
3. You can test placement by wrapping the rope around your neck without tying a knot. Just crisscross it in the back grab each side of the rope and extend your arms outwards to the side tigentining it around your neck. If you pass out it will come loose and you'll be safe and sound. It's a great way to get over the SI attached to the sinking/fading away feeling by practicing loving the high.
You guys have been so amazing and have helped me so much I hope this helps you.