Venting How do most people not kill themselves??

[somethingisntreal]

Long time lurker here. First post. I apologize if my sentences sound weird, English isn't my first language.

Everyday I wake up and think to myself, "How do people do this shit every day?" I've yet to find an answer. I'm genuinely perplexed. How do most people go all their lives without ever considering suicide? Life's awful. There is no point, no meaning in it. We are alive just to make more copies of ourselves. That's it. I doubt that it's QOL because I have an objectively "good" life, but I've been thinking about killing myself for as long as I can remember. It's insane how something that I've lived with for years is such a foreign concept to some. Whenever I try to point it out to anyone, I get the usual hollow platitudes, "You are loved and cared for," "Life is worth living," "You need to get therapy" and other BS. How can they be so delusional? It's isolating.

Sometimes I wish I was like those people too. It'd be better than wanting to die but never actually going through with it. I just can't overcome SI. I've had no real attempt, they're all "suicide attempt" attempts. I can't do a single thing right.

 

[somewhatdeadly]

people have goals in life even tho society or they impose it into themselves they still do and they live for it.

 

[davidtorez]

Life is worse than what people realise. Doing jobs they hate for paying food and bills just to subsist but they've brainwashed themselves to think this is normal . Then you get old and get ailments and sicknesses. Life is painful rubbish nonsense

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Several reasons.

They made all guaranteed suicide methods into crimes, someone assisting me with suicide, nembutal, sarco suicide booths etc .For example if I'm suffering constant unbearable pain i can't call to hire someone to assist me with suicide to put me out of my misery because they made assisting in suicide into a crime when it shouldn't be . Here in the U. S. it would be trivial call someone and they would be here in 30 minutes and shoot me in the head 10 times. But they made that a crime

Imo Most humans do not realize many things that sum up on top of each other . 1. Most have no idea how bad pain or suffering can get. What is worth going through the worst constant worst pain every second for 30 minutes? Nothing. To me nothing is worth 1 second of the worst pain. 2. They don't realize something extremely horrible can happen to any human any day .

they think life is good and that Death and Non-existence is bad . I think the opposite life is bad and Non-existence forever is the best thing. who is correct?

many more reasons

 

[davidtorez]

Several reasons.

They made all guaranteed suicide methods into crimes, someone assisting me with suicide, nembutal, sarco suicide booths etc .For example if im suffering constant unbearable pain i can't call to hire someone to assist me with suicide . Here in the US it would be trivial call someone and they would be here in 30 minutes and shoot me in the head 10 times. But they made that a crime

And yet suicide itself isn't illegal. But if you assist someone doing something that is legal it becomes illegal . Theres no other case I can think of where this topsy-turvy logic applies

 

[Spite]

Most people are normies who, for one reason or another, are simply unable to see the world for what it truly is. Most people live their lives in blissful ignorance and never question why things are the way they are.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm curious too. Maybe some do actually consider it at various points. I think we get trapped here too. Either via relationships that others chose for us- our parents, family. Or, those we create throughout life. We become aware that our choice to die would really hurt them so, we hold on for their sake. Then, I suppose we try to make the best of it.

It puzzles me too though. Are there truly some that never even consider it or, maybe don't allow themselves to? I know religious people who are strongly against it.

But, it's almost like some just accept living as the default setting that you don't muck about with. A baseline that you build up from.

What perplexes me more is when you hear people moan about life. The state of the world. How cruel and unfair life is- so- they obviously see it... And then, they decide to bring children into it! That, I just find cruel to be honest. Why would you knowingly put a person you claim to love at such high risk?

 

[PI3.14]

There are many reasons for this.

First, natural selection favors those who continue to leave, regardless of the reasoning behind their decision.

Second, not all people have mental illnesses and/or shitty life circumstances that push them towards the idea of suicide. Some have a healthy brain and body and are actually enjoying a good life.

Three, many people are religious and in most religion suicide is a big sin that might get you punished for eternity.

Fourth, people have different personalities, goals, moods, that play a role in their decision making. What I, for example, deem a life not worth living, might not be so in the eyes of someone's else.

Fifth, guilt. Many don't want to commit suicide despite wanting to cus they feel some guilt towards the people they will be leaving behind.

Sixth, survival instinct. This is an obvious one for all of us here I guess.


There isn't a single reason, different people have different reasons.

In fact, even the people who commit suicide might also have different reasons from each other.

I have seen suicide cases due to breakups, financial reasons, mental health reasons, loneliness, ugliness, physical disability, family issues...etc. Some might have a single reason, while others might have multiple ones.

It's just different for everyone.

 

[LettinGooo]

I have a hard cut off point of sometime early next year to CTB before my life with irrevocably be destroyed. If it wasn't for that news despite how isolated and empty my life is I doubt I'd be planning to CTB at all.

I've survived so far by just indulging in material possessions and other empty crap to keep myself distracted. It's a hollow existence but it's somewhat worked up until now.

 

[computer]

idk man
for me its my boyfriend and drugs

 

[Einarfjzx]

happy pills and subtances

 

[FuneralCry]

I really understand, I'd never wish for this futile, torturous existence that just brings and causes suffering, to me existence really always feels like a mistake and as long as I exist I'll only hope for non-existence, simply just existing is enough to make me want to never suffer ever again.

 

[FadingSnowFake]

They are in denial, or life has not yet shown them its true colours or broke them. I believe there is a definite line dividing our two worlds - we crossed this line to our world when we decided to end our lives. The ones who have not had to make that decision live in their own world on the other side of this line, which is invisible to them.

They can never understand what it's like to want to die, and I'm saying this because I was in their world until last year for whatever reasons before my own world collapsed. I wasn't happy, nor was I sad, maybe I was more existing as opposed to living, blindly. I floated along alone, never really thought about or appreciated the concepts of life and death until I lost everything that mattered and became suicidal. My eyes opened to this new world, and I learned that nothing really matters. I now see without the blindfold, and view my life, and life in general more objectively (I think). I see many wasted or senseless years while I was on the "living" side, there were also good times, but in the end, it didn't add up to anything.

I believe not everyone will have to cross the line, many people I know I'm sure have never thought of suicide, and if life continues the way it does for them, I'm guessing they won't. While from what I've seen here, I think that for many of our members it may feel as if they've always been in this world.

This is just my experience, and in the end I'm glad I ended up here where we can share our thoughts. Be kind to yourself, OP, you are not alone. Sending hugs your way.

 

[ringo99]

There's no simple answer. A few people who are rich beyond their wildest dreams wake up prisoners in their own mind wanting to end it all until they finally do it. Then there are those who live in abject, unimaginable poverty but still go on generation after generation. Purely speculation on my part but I think the majority of people are probably too caught up in the sheer brutal process of survival to even consider ctbing as an option. There are a few of course who are strong willed and can overcome the obstacles thrown at them but they're in the minority. On the opposite end of the spectrum are those who end up ctbing which is where I'm inexorably slipping towards day by day.

 

[sanction]

Long time lurker here. First post. I apologize if my sentences sound weird, English isn't my first language.

Everyday I wake up and think to myself, "How do people do this shit every day?" I've yet to find an answer. I'm genuinely perplexed. How do most people go all their lives without ever considering suicide? Life's awful. There is no point, no meaning in it. We are alive just to make more copies of ourselves. That's it. I doubt that it's QOL because I have an objectively "good" life, but I've been thinking about killing myself for as long as I can remember. It's insane how something that I've lived with for years is such a foreign concept to some. Whenever I try to point it out to anyone, I get the usual hollow platitudes, "You are loved and cared for," "Life is worth living," "You need to get therapy" and other BS. How can they be so delusional? It's isolating.

Sometimes I wish I was like those people too. It'd be better than wanting to die but never actually going through with it. I just can't overcome SI. I've had no real attempt, they're all "suicide attempt" attempts. I can't do a single thing right.

Definitely agree. By the way, when you say you have "objectively good life", can you share a bit how your life is good?

Just curious, so can compare it to the standard person's life. Since I'm also super confused how there are not way more people suicidal. So just want to see how much difference your life is, compared to the average person

 

[cait_sith]

Just like people like us can't understand how people are able to work and suffer for decades until old age without ever thinking once about suicide, those people likewise can't comprehend how anyone is abel to even form a though about suicide. I think all humans can't help but to project their view on life on everybody else, just inherently assuming that the foundation of how they operate and perceive existence is the same as theirs. We can't understand how they are not able to understand that we want to die and vice versa. Nothing will ever change that. Nobody really understands anybody.

 

[brighteyesfan144]

And yet suicide itself isn't illegal. But if you assist someone doing something that is legal it becomes illegal . Theres no other case I can think of where this topsy-turvy logic applies

It's true that suicide legality is unique but imo it is technically illegal since if you talk about it seriously, legal systems get involved I.e., Form 1s, involuntary hospitalization, court orders, etc.

 

[Cauliflour]

Well for my motive, I imagine other shitty people just keep on being shitty, no guilt. Then again most people aren't autistic so maybe there's that. I've just realised, I don't even really know what my motive is. I guess normal people just have common sense?

 

[flip_bug]

Long time lurker here. First post. I apologize if my sentences sound weird, English isn't my first language.

Everyday I wake up and think to myself, "How do people do this shit every day?" I've yet to find an answer. I'm genuinely perplexed. How do most people go all their lives without ever considering suicide? Life's awful. There is no point, no meaning in it. We are alive just to make more copies of ourselves. That's it. I doubt that it's QOL because I have an objectively "good" life, but I've been thinking about killing myself for as long as I can remember. It's insane how something that I've lived with for years is such a foreign concept to some. Whenever I try to point it out to anyone, I get the usual hollow platitudes, "You are loved and cared for," "Life is worth living," "You need to get therapy" and other BS. How can they be so delusional? It's isolating.

Sometimes I wish I was like those people too. It'd be better than wanting to die but never actually going through with it. I just can't overcome SI. I've had no real attempt, they're all "suicide attempt" attempts. I can't do a single thing right.

Self awareness being severely watered down by the DNA molecule controlling us. "What if it gets better" there is only temporary relief of deprivation and suffering. Trivial little moments that certainly do not outweigh the cruelty of life.

 

[itsgone2]

I'm curious too. Maybe some do actually consider it at various points. I think we get trapped here too. Either via relationships that others chose for us- our parents, family. Or, those we create throughout life. We become aware that our choice to die would really hurt them so, we hold on for their sake. Then, I suppose we try to make the best of it.

It puzzles me too though. Are there truly some that never even consider it or, maybe don't allow themselves to? I know religious people who are strongly against it.

But, it's almost like some just accept living as the default setting that you don't muck about with. A baseline that you build up from.

What perplexes me more is when you hear people moan about life. The state of the world. How cruel and unfair life is- so- they obviously see it... And then, they decide to bring children into it! That, I just find cruel to be honest. Why would you knowingly put a person you claim to love at such high risk?

Yes, there are people who never consider it. The mind doesn't even remotely want it. Most of us are here because of SI; it's so strong most people never even consider an alternative.

 

[somethingisntreal]

Definitely agree. By the way, when you say you have "objectively good life", can you share a bit how your life is good?

Just curious, so can compare it to the standard person's life. Since I'm also super confused how there are not way more people suicidal. So just want to see how much difference your life is, compared to the average person

Well, unlike a lot of people here I've got a decent life. My family has always been supportive (my parents are pretty religious and can be a bit conservative, but they try their best) and financially stable, I can make friends and interact with people easily, if I want to. I was a straight A student all my life and I'm currently studying in one of the best colleges in my country and will most likely secure a good job later in life. One downside I see is that I am incredibly ugly. Not the kind of ugly I can change. I have a horrible bone structure. But I've kinda accepted that long ago.

Sounds nice, right? But I really can't see how any of this matters. I find it hard to make sense of this futile existence. I dont understand how someone can 'enjoy' life. Sure, I do have my moments of happiness but I return to the abyss that is my own mind soon enough. I'm simply tired of living.

 

[divinemistress36]

Most people live off blind optimism. The belief that things will get better. I think we are more self aware and see how the good times are tempoary and life is mostly pain and suffering

 

[ThatRussianDude]

Yeah it is amazing how rare suicides are among other deaths.

 

[itsgone2]

Yeah it is amazing how rare suicides are among other deaths.

I would say it would be different if it were easy. What if you could flop a switch? Would you? I would.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Yeah it is amazing how rare suicides are among other deaths.

1.5 million in the U.S. attempt suicide per year. but only around 50,000 sucicide in the U.S., per year.

it's because they make all guaranteed painless suicide methods into crimes . and also massively censor information about suicide methods.

but even with all the pro-life propaganda , and censoring of pessimistic views on life still that many attempt 1.5 million per year.

shows you how bad life is . even with all the tech, air conditioning , heating , houses, washing machines, cars, refrigerators , running water electricity all to make suffering less it's still hell

U.S, is only about 4% of world population . so it would be much over 36 million per year world wide suicide attempts.

 

[ThatRussianDude]

I would say it would be different if it were easy. What if you could flop a switch? Would you? I would.

Well it is basically like that in the US.

 

[salamid]

well I don't see how life having no point or meaning, that we're just made to make copies of ourselves, is an argument for suicide. Killing yourself is just as pointless as staying alive by that logic. Humans are evolutionarily engineered to want to stay alive and enjoy life overall. That is why most people don't find life awful but beautiful. It's just that it doesn't work out that way for everyone, like an unintended bug in biology. We are the exception.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Well it is basically like that in the US.

it's not like that in the U.S. 1.5 milion attempt suicide per year in the U.S.

only 49000 commit suicide/die. more than 29/30 attempts fail.

only 27,000 suicide with firearms. but some firearms also failed it's not 100%. so 1.3 million attempt suicide without firearms per year

it's very difficult to shoot yourself in the mouth or head to defeat si and. and nothing is 100% you could flinch before the shot . the ammo could fail too. it's not 100% guaranteed.

you have to know what you are doing , practice dry firing until you are sure you won;t flinch . you have to have a lot of practice shooting . then you have to defeat si and blow up your own head. yeah the ammo is reliable but not perfect some powder might not fully burn , the primer might only go off not providing enough power.

Suicide statistics

Learn the latest statistics on suicide. Data on suicide are taken from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Data & Statistics Fatal Injury Report for 2018, as of March 1, 2020. Suicide rates listed are Age-Adjusted Rates.

afsp.org

 

[davidtorez]

It's true that suicide legality is unique but imo it is technically illegal since if you talk about it seriously, legal systems get involved I.e., Form 1s, involuntary hospitalization, court orders, etc.

No — suicide is not illegal in Australia.
Mondaq
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Criminal Defence Lawyers Australia
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Law Handbook
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Here's a breakdown of the relevant parts of the law:

What you can't be prosecuted for

You cannot be criminally charged for attempting suicide or for surviving one. It's not an offence in any state or territory.
Sydney Criminal Lawyers
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Criminal Defence Lawyers Australia
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Law Handbook
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You also can't be found guilty of murder or manslaughter for having attempted suicide or being part of a suicide pact (if you survive).
This is for Australia where I'm from, I'm not sure what the laws are elsewhere.

 

[LetMeOut67]

There is increasing awareness that this is purgatory.
Hopefully voluntary assisted euthanasia will become legal everywhere, which it very definitely should be.
It's really no big deal if people do not wish to participate in this madness. The sheeple know life's a fate worse than death for some people.,