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[hell toupee]

Not sure if this will be helpful to anyone - it's kind of a summary of this gigantic thread, and my observations.

1) If you are attempting partial and not losing consciousness within 20 sec/or getting that exploding head feeling/or can't breathe/etc., ABORT. You are not doing it correctly.
2) From most people's experience with partial, you will need to experiment and find the best placement of the knot and rope. Most people seem to have more success with above the Adam's Apple, while others have reported that below the AA is best. Knot placement, IMO, should be to the left - this takes pressure off of the trachea and (hopefully) compresses the right carotid artery. Again, you will need to experiment - you will know when you have hit the carotid as it comes on pretty quick (blacking out) and feels pleasurable by most accounts (ie auto erotic asphyxiation).

Again, if you go more than 20 seconds and your vision isn't fading/you can't breathe/SI kicks in, you need to stop, take a break, and readjust.

3) People wonder how so many people, for thousands of years, have used hanging to die. At a glance it appears very easy. Indeed, the Japanese suicide manual posted last week stated that hanging is the best, most lethal, and least painful method - "people who want to commit suicide need to burn it in to their brains that hanging is the easiest method (other than maybe a gunshot). Furthermore, MOST of the people dying in this manner are using full suspension. I realize that full suspension is a lot scarier because you can't back out and nobody want's to be panicking and suffocating. I believe this is a double edge sword. In order to truly cut off the carotids quickly (which is what we are all after) - full suspension seems to be the only way to guarantee that.

4) Partial is doable, but takes a lot of trial and error - unless you get lucky, which some people do. I would not "practice" until you are truly ready to ctb - it's certainly possible that you go to test, get lucky, pass out right away and die. Personally, what worries me about partial is the fact that unconscious movements could loosen the knot or even a tiny bit of pressure and restore at least some blood flow to the brain - it's a big risk of it not working, imo, There are more than a few reports in here of people blacking out with partial, and then waking back up a little later - remember, partial relies on occlusion of the carotids in specific positions - the slightest of adjustments could restore some type of blood flow to the brain - enough to keep you alive, but perhaps not enough to prevent brain damage. It should also be mentioned that in the 1st study mentioned below with the 8 partial hangings, in all instances the deceased were witnessed as extending their legs and arms, then retracting them, while they were unconscious. There are more than a few reports in this thread of people blacking out with partial and then mysteriously standing up - this seems to be the reason why. Given that partial relies on this delicate balance of pressure in the right spot, the more I think about it, the more danger of something going wrong it seems, with partial.

5) There are several studies mentioned in the thread. One was about a team of scientists who studied 8 videotaped partial hangings (both suicide and accidental auto erotic asp. deaths). In 6 of those cases consciousness was lost in 8-18 seconds. The other 2 cases they could not determine loss of consciousness because the person had a bag/mask over their head. I think a safe guess here is that those other 2 DID in fact lose consciousness quickly, because there is no mention in the study of those 2 people thrashing about and panicking - which is what I would expect if they were still conscious. So basically, you have 8 people who lost consciousness very quickly,

6) The 2nd study, which I find more interesting was done during WW2 to study why pilots lose consciousness on rapid ascents after bombing runs. This was done by a fellow named Rossen, which you can look up. They built an improvised blood pressure cuff, put it around the neck of 58 volunteers, and all lost consciousness within 5-15 seconds. It was called a "KRA Cuff". As you can see in the pic, a bladder, like on a blood pressure cuff, is inflated to block ONLY THE SIDES of the neck. There is a huge space in the front so breathing is not interrupted and it doesn't feel like your windpipe is being crushed. This device, to my eyes, basically represents a blood choke in Jujitsu/Judo/MMA/etc - where the forearms are compressing the carotids and the windpipe is basically untouched. If you watch fighting/martial arts - there is very rarely any panic when someone is choked unconscious - and these are guys that are breathing really heavy while being choked. If they were suffocating, or even coming close to it, there would be a lot of panic.

This is just a thought, but perhaps an analog (not digital as they have auto release) blood pressure cuff could be used, except you place an object from your chin to the lower part of the neck so the cuff only compresses the sides - a small piece of wood, or something of that nature - just thinking off of the top of my head here.

Here is the KRA Cuff so you can get an idea of where the pressure is being placed and what you are attempting to replicate. If using a rope, it almost looks like it would be better to not tie a knot and hang full suspension with a simple loop - (like how someone puts a towel over their shoulders but instead of a towel and the ends hanging down, they would be secured to the anchor. In that case your face would be towards the wall - not away from it. Hanging full suspension like that would place zero pressure on windpipe, and be directed to the sides of the neck instead - there is a picture somewhere in this thread of a deceased hanging from a staircase exactly in this manner - using what looks like a bedsheet. He wrapped a half loop around the back of his neck, and hung full suspension facing the wall/stairs/anchor - so he was basically looking up when he died, not down. This puts all pressure on sides/back, not front. I have not tested this, I'm just speaking off the top of my head - just an idea is all, My first concern with this scenario though, is slipping out of it when myoclonic jerks start happening. Have to think about it a little more.

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I will not comment on rope types/knots/anchor points as that kind of stuff is all over the thread. I will say if you need a cheap, quick, and easy anchor point, Partial Elf made the excellent suggestion 100 times for an exercise band holder that has a little ball on the end and slips over the top of your door. You close the door and the ball gives you a sturdy anchor point with a little loop on the other end that you would tie your rope to. They are $6 on Amazon and are designed to hold weight.

Part of the reason I want to ctb is I became crippled a little over a year ago - nerve damage in my fingers and toes. That put me in a wheelchair, and made my fingers ball up in to fists (except thumbs). If I had the dexterity in my fingers, I think it would be very doable to build a makeshift device like the KRA cuff above using a couple of blood pressure cuff bladders mounted or fixed to something that goes around your neck with an opening in the front. I say 2 bladders because using only 1 would involve having to loop it around your entire necks, With 2, which is what appears to be above, you could have 1 bladder for each side. The problem is finding something to mount it in/on (maybe something with a zipper? Like a pillow case cover that has been cut down to only be a few inches long?).

I don't know. Maybe if we put our heads (pun) together we can figure out a way to do this. 58 volunteers. Every last 1 lost consciousness immediately. People are choked in Jujitsu classes every day around the world. If we could figure out a way to mimick the above, it could be a fast, painless solution. Of primary importance would be makiing sure it doesn't slip out of place though.

EDIT: Was trying to think of ways to adapt the blood pressure cuff(s) idea in to some kind of mechanism that would go around the neck in a similar fashion to the above "KRA Cuff", and I'm wondering if one of those neck braces they use for people with broken necks could be adapted - or possibly those neck comforter/cushion things that people use on flights and stuff. There might be something in the medical equipment community of products that could be used.

At this point I'm just rambling though - I was hoping to spur some ideas but it seems there isn't much interest in this thread anymore.

EDIT #2: Since it's too late and I can't make edits anymore, there is something I want to emphasize.

A member here, I believe it was Partial Elf, was practicing trial and error with partial and not having any luck. However, he identifies an important component that started leading to consistent results.

That is, even when it's partial, most people seem to ease in to it, obviously trying to gauge how painful it will be. According to Partial Elf (apologies if this is the wrong member, there are so many posts ITT it's hard to keep track), he only started having success in compressing the carotid artery when he just kind of relaxed his body and dropped all of his weight in to one of the partial positions (not sure which) all at once.

I am obviously not a doctor, but what this tells me is that it's very possible that in order to completely pinch the carotid shut, it needs to be clamped down rather than slowly squeezed shut when you are easing in to it. I'm also not a physicist, but my guess is it's hard to slowly pinch the arteries shut because there is a certain amount of pressure going through there.

Think of a garden hose with water going through it pretty forcefully. To pinch the hose shut, it is much more feasible to quickly make a bend, or kink in the hose. If you just slowly try and squeeze the hose shut with your thumb and index finger it's going to be much more difficult.

Just a thought. Hope this helps.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Not sure if this will be helpful to anyone - it's kind of a summary of this gigantic thread, and my observations.

1) If you are attempting partial and not losing consciousness within 20 sec/or getting that exploding head feeling/or can't breathe/etc., ABORT. You are not doing it correctly.
2) From most people's experience with partial, you will need to experiment and find the best placement of the knot and rope. Most people seem to have more success with above the Adam's Apple, while others have reported that below the AA is best. Knot placement, IMO, should be to the left - this takes pressure off of the trachea and (hopefully) compresses the right carotid artery. Again, you will need to experiment - you will know when you have hit the carotid as it comes on pretty quick (blacking out) and feels pleasurable by most accounts (ie auto erotic asphyxiation).

Again, if you go more than 20 seconds and your vision isn't fading/you can't breathe/SI kicks in, you need to stop, take a break, and readjust.

3) People wonder how so many people, for thousands of years, have used hanging to die. At a glance it appears very easy. Indeed, the Japanese suicide manual posted last week stated that hanging is the best, most lethal, and least painful method - "people who want to commit suicide need to burn it in to their brains that hanging is the easiest method (other than maybe a gunshot). Furthermore, MOST of the people dying in this manner are using full suspension. I realize that full suspension is a lot scarier because you can't back out and nobody want's to be panicking and suffocating. I believe this is a double edge sword. In order to truly cut off the carotids quickly (which is what we are all after) - full suspension seems to be the only way to guarantee that.

4) Partial is doable, but takes a lot of trial and error - unless you get lucky, which some people do. I would not "practice" until you are truly ready to ctb - it's certainly possible that you go to test, get lucky, pass out right away and die. Personally, what worries me about partial is the fact that unconscious movements could loosen the knot or even a tiny bit of pressure and restore at least some blood flow to the brain - it's a big risk of it not working, imo, There are more than a few reports in here of people blacking out with partial, and then waking back up a little later - remember, partial relies on occlusion of the carotids in specific positions - the slightest of adjustments could restore some type of blood flow to the brain - enough to keep you alive, but perhaps not enough to prevent brain damage. It should also be mentioned that in the 1st study mentioned below with the 8 partial hangings, in all instances the deceased were witnessed as extending their legs and arms, then retracting them, while they were unconscious. There are more than a few reports in this thread of people blacking out with partial and then mysteriously standing up - this seems to be the reason why. Given that partial relies on this delicate balance of pressure in the right spot, the more I think about it, the more danger of something going wrong it seems, with partial.

5) There are several studies mentioned in the thread. One was about a team of scientists who studied 8 videotaped partial hangings (both suicide and accidental auto erotic asp. deaths). In 6 of those cases consciousness was lost in 8-18 seconds. The other 2 cases they could not determine loss of consciousness because the person had a bag/mask over their head. I think a safe guess here is that those other 2 DID in fact lose consciousness quickly, because there is no mention in the study of those 2 people thrashing about and panicking - which is what I would expect if they were still conscious. So basically, you have 8 people who lost consciousness very quickly,

6) The 2nd study, which I find more interesting was done during WW2 to study why pilots lose consciousness on rapid ascents after bombing runs. This was done by a fellow named Rossen, which you can look up. They built an improvised blood pressure cuff, put it around the neck of 58 volunteers, and all lost consciousness within 5-15 seconds. It was called a "KRA Cuff". As you can see in the pic, a bladder, like on a blood pressure cuff, is inflated to block ONLY THE SIDES of the neck. There is a huge space in the front so breathing is not interrupted and it doesn't feel like your windpipe is being crushed. This device, to my eyes, basically represents a blood choke in Jujitsu/Judo/MMA/etc - where the forearms are compressing the carotids and the windpipe is basically untouched. If you watch fighting/martial arts - there is very rarely any panic when someone is choked unconscious - and these are guys that are breathing really heavy while being choked. If they were suffocating, or even coming close to it, there would be a lot of panic.

This is just a thought, but perhaps an analog (not digital as they have auto release) blood pressure cuff could be used, except you place an object from your chin to the lower part of the neck so the cuff only compresses the sides - a small piece of wood, or something of that nature - just thinking off of the top of my head here.

Here is the KRA Cuff so you can get an idea of where the pressure is being placed and what you are attempting to replicate. If using a rope, it almost looks like it would be better to not tie a knot and hang full suspension with a simple loop - (like how someone puts a towel over their shoulders but instead of a towel and the ends hanging down, they would be secured to the anchor. In that case your face would be towards the wall - not away from it. Hanging full suspension like that would place zero pressure on windpipe, and be directed to the sides of the neck instead - there is a picture somewhere in this thread of a deceased hanging from a staircase exactly in this manner - using what looks like a bedsheet. He wrapped a half loop around the back of his neck, and hung full suspension facing the wall/stairs/anchor - so he was basically looking up when he died, not down. This puts all pressure on sides/back, not front. I have not tested this, I'm just speaking off the top of my head - just an idea is all, My first concern with this scenario though, is slipping out of it when myoclonic jerks start happening. Have to think about it a little more.

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I will not comment on rope types/knots/anchor points as that kind of stuff is all over the thread. I will say if you need a cheap, quick, and easy anchor point, Partial Elf made the excellent suggestion 100 times for an exercise band holder that has a little ball on the end and slips over the top of your door. You close the door and the ball gives you a sturdy anchor point with a little loop on the other end that you would tie your rope to. They are $6 on Amazon and are designed to hold weight.

Part of the reason I want to ctb is I became crippled a little over a year ago - nerve damage in my fingers and toes. That put me in a wheelchair, and made my fingers ball up in to fists (except thumbs). If I had the dexterity in my fingers, I think it would be very doable to build a makeshift device like the KRA cuff above using a couple of blood pressure cuff bladders mounted or fixed to something that goes around your neck with an opening in the front. I say 2 bladders because using only 1 would involve having to loop it around your entire necks, With 2, which is what appears to be above, you could have 1 bladder for each side. The problem is finding something to mount it in/on (maybe something with a zipper? Like a pillow case cover that has been cut down to only be a few inches long?).

I don't know. Maybe if we put our heads (pun) together we can figure out a way to do this. 58 volunteers. Every last 1 lost consciousness immediately. People are choked in Jujitsu classes every day around the world. If we could figure out a way to mimick the above, it could be a fast, painless solution. Of primary importance would be makiing sure it doesn't slip out of place though.

EDIT: Was trying to think of ways to adapt the blood pressure cuff(s) idea in to some kind of mechanism that would go around the neck in a similar fashion to the above "KRA Cuff", and I'm wondering if one of those neck braces they use for people with broken necks could be adapted - or possibly those neck comforter/cushion things that people use on flights and stuff. There might be something in the medical equipment community of products that could be used.

At this point I'm just rambling though - I was hoping to spur some ideas but it seems there isn't much interest in this thread anymore.

2) You are right, about the knot placement. When I was hanged full, I placed the knot between eye and ear on the left side and passed out repeatedly within 5 to 15 seconds. I did it, because I was afraid to injure my trachea when the knot is at the back of my neck. Finally I found that I was wrong, if the knot is at the back there is no pressure on my trachea, because the rope slips automatically under my chin above the trachea when I hang full. When the knot is at the back of my neck, I pass out as quick and I avoid the high stress on my neck muscles caused by the unnatural bending of my neck if the knot is more in the front aera.

3) You can back out if you hang full, you only have to step back on the stool. Knowing this, it is more easy to step off the stool, thought it is very unlikely that you have to use this option.

4) You are right, partial hanging is not an option if you want to be sure that you will die.

6) As mentioned in 2), there is no need to use such a complicated device, because your trachea will not be injured and you will be unconscious long bevore you feel the urge to breath.

 

[PixelatedPixie0]

Does anyone have any tips or resources for how to find or create an anchor point suitable for a full suspension hanging? My little apartment doesn't have anything that would work, but I do have a car that would let me drive around and I don't mind constructing something somewhere if need be.

My first thought was to dig some postholes, pour in some concrete, and create a pull up bar to hang from. There are lots of YT tutorials on how to do this and it looks very doable. My city is surrounded by long stretches of highway with rural state land that's completely undeveloped and unmonitored so I don't think it'd be hard to do this. I also have the resources to buy a small plot of rural land to do this on away from prying eyes.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Does anyone have any tips or resources for how to find or create an anchor point suitable for a full suspension hanging? My little apartment doesn't have anything that would work, but I do have a car that would let me drive around and I don't mind constructing something somewhere if need be.

My first thought was to dig some postholes, pour in some concrete, and create a pull up bar to hang from. There are lots of YT tutorials on how to do this and it looks very doable. My city is surrounded by long stretches of highway with rural state land that's completely undeveloped and unmonitored so I don't think it'd be hard to do this. I also have the resources to buy a small plot of rural land to do this on away from prying eyes.

Why don't you screw a hook in the ceiling of your apartment. You can also use one corner of your apartment to install a diagonal pull up bar. Fix two wooden post at both walls of the corner.

 

[PixelatedPixie0]

Why don't you screw a hook in the ceiling of your apartment. You can also use one corner of your apartment to install a diagonal pull up bar. Fix two wooden post at both walls of the corner.

I'm not sure I could get away with that as my landlord and his family live upstairs and to the side of my unit (it's basically a converted garage that they rent out). Maybe I can try to figure out where the ceiling joists are, but I don't know how easy or practical it is to try to install a hook that can safely support my weight in my apartment.

Supposedly, Evelyn Lane had a guide up about finding anchor points outside the home but I can't use the search function and her account is banned so I haven't been able to find it.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I'm not sure I could get away with that as my landlord and his family live upstairs and to the side of my unit (it's basically a converted garage that they rent out). Maybe I can try to figure out where the ceiling joists are, but I don't know how easy or practical it is to try to install a hook that can safely support my weight in my apartment.

Supposedly, Evelyn Lane had a guide up about finding anchor points outside the home but I can't use the search function and her account is banned so I haven't been able to find it.

Outside the home trees are the classic gallows. I will use a sturdy oak in a deserted forest to hang myself.

 

[PixelatedPixie0]

Outside the home trees are the classic gallows. I will use a sturdy oak in a deserted forest to hang myself.

That's a good idea! I'm assuming just hanging by your arms from the rope to test the branch is good enough? Or is there a more reliable way to assess suitable branches and tree types?

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

That's a good idea! I'm assuming just hanging by your arms from the rope to test the branch is good enough? Or is there a more reliable way to assess suitable branches and tree types?

There is a thread about this topic with the title:

Trees to use for hanging - from a tree expert.

You should anyhow test the branche by hanging by your arms from the rope.

 

[PixelatedPixie0]

There is a thread about this topic with the title:

Trees to use for hanging - from a tree expert.

You should anyhow test the branche by hanging by your arms from the rope.

Thanks so much! I can't access the search function on this site for whatever reason but I was able to Google that exact thread title and find it. I'm surrounded by oak forests on all sides so this likely will solve my issue.

 

[Frenchy222]

After weeks of trying partial standing up and leaning forward like the choking game kills video I managed to pass out within seconds but I became conscious again and i was swinging around like a pendulum.

Is this survival instinct kicking in and how can I prevent this naturally?

When I come around I have no idea where I am for a few seconds.

 

[AreWeWinning]

Most people seem to have more success with above the Adam's Apple, while others have reported that below the AA is best. Knot placement, IMO, should be to the left - this takes pressure off of the trachea and (hopefully) compresses the right carotid artery. Again, you will need to experiment - you will know when you have hit the carotid as it comes on pretty quick (blacking out) and feels pleasurable by most accounts (ie auto erotic asphyxiation).

I agree with most of what you say, except one thing. The knot should be at the back. Both the carotids and the jugulars are on both sides. They are both a pair. If you place the knot too far toward either side, there is a chance that you'll miss the carotid artery on that side.

I'm not sure where the idea of positioning the knot towards the side originates from.

When I experiment with it, placing the knot at the front works surprisingly well too as long as I use a sliding noose that cinches on my neck well. I still wouldn't recommend this though, and I don't plan to do it with my attempt.

4) Partial is doable, but takes a lot of trial and error - unless you get lucky, which some people do. I would not "practice" until you are truly ready to ctb - it's certainly possible that you go to test, get lucky, pass out right away and die. Personally, what worries me about partial is the fact that unconscious movements could loosen the knot or even a tiny bit of pressure and restore at least some blood flow to the brain - it's a big risk of it not working, imo, There are more than a few reports in here of people blacking out with partial, and then waking back up a little later - remember, partial relies on occlusion of the carotids in specific positions - the slightest of adjustments could restore some type of blood flow to the brain - enough to keep you alive, but perhaps not enough to prevent brain damage. It should also be mentioned that in the 1st study mentioned below with the 8 partial hangings, in all instances the deceased were witnessed as extending their legs and arms, then retracting them, while they were unconscious. There are more than a few reports in this thread of people blacking out with partial and then mysteriously standing up - this seems to be the reason why. Given that partial relies on this delicate balance of pressure in the right spot, the more I think about it, the more danger of something going wrong it seems, with partial.

Totally agree. I think anyone who's serious about it should go for full suspension. Partial can work, but it's very unreliable due to the reasons you describe. Position matters a lot though. Doing partial in a standing position or a high kneeling position is much better than sitting, for example. There is also a position which is close to sitting, but with the legs extended forward, which is not bad either.

People fuck about with partial because they want to avoid pain, but they just cause more pain to themselves by trying over and over again, unsuccessfully.

If I had the dexterity in my fingers, I think it would be very doable to build a makeshift device like the KRA cuff above using a couple of blood pressure cuff bladders mounted or fixed to something that goes around your neck with an opening in the front. I say 2 bladders because using only 1 would involve having to loop it around your entire necks, With 2, which is what appears to be above, you could have 1 bladder for each side. The problem is finding something to mount it in/on (maybe something with a zipper? Like a pillow case cover that has been cut down to only be a few inches long?).

In my opinion, this is an overcomplication. You don't need contraptions like this. Full suspension works perfectly fine. People think about these things because they want to avoid even the tiniest little pain or discomfort so desperately. Like, seriously? If someone decides to end their life, is 10 seconds of discomfort really something that matters? It's like demolishing a house and worrying about damaging the paint. Makes no sense.

he only started having success in compressing the carotid artery when he just kind of relaxed his body and dropped all of his weight in to one of the partial positions (not sure which) all at once.

This has been my experience too. I'm not a doctor either, but whenever I try to be careful about it, it doesn't work. On the other hand, if I put the rope over something where it can slide freely, hold the end in my hand, and lower myself decisively, without holding back, it works. If I put as much weight on it as I can, disregarding the discomfort and pain, it works flawlessly, every time. I start to pass out extremely fast. It really gives me confidence that hanging does work.

The only possible way to practice is by holding the other end of the rope in your hand. That way, as you start to pass out, you release the rope, so it's safe. Practicing with a rope fixed to the anchor point is completely pointless. You won't achieve anything, because you know it's dangerous, so you won't apply enough pressure.

When people ask "How much pressure do I need?", "Am I applying enough pressure?", and questions like that, they are already destined to fail. It's like asking "If a bear attacks me, how fast should I run?". If you ask that, you're doing it wrong. The right way is lowering yourself and applying as much pressure as you possibly can.

 

[hell toupee]

I agree with most of what you say, except one thing. The knot should be at the back. Both the carotids and the jugulars are on both sides. They are both a pair. If you place the knot too far toward either side, there is a chance that you'll miss the carotid artery on that side.

I'm not sure where the idea of positioning the knot towards the side originates from.

When I experiment with it, placing the knot at the front works surprisingly well too as long as I use a sliding noose that cinches on my neck well. I still wouldn't recommend this though, and I don't plan to do it with my attempt.



Totally agree. I think anyone who's serious about it should go for full suspension. Partial can work, but it's very unreliable due to the reasons you describe. Position matters a lot though. Doing partial in a standing position or a high kneeling position is much better than sitting, for example. There is also a position which is close to sitting, but with the legs extended forward, which is not bad either.

People fuck about with partial because they want to avoid pain, but they just cause more pain to themselves by trying over and over again, unsuccessfully.



In my opinion, this is an overcomplication. You don't need contraptions like this. Full suspension works perfectly fine. People think about these things because they want to avoid even the tiniest little pain or discomfort so desperately. Like, seriously? If someone decides to end their life, is 10 seconds of discomfort really something that matters? It's like demolishing a house and worrying about damaging the paint. Makes no sense.



This has been my experience too. I'm not a doctor either, but whenever I try to be careful about it, it doesn't work. On the other hand, if I put the rope over something where it can slide freely, hold the end in my hand, and lower myself decisively, without holding back, it works. If I put as much weight on it as I can, disregarding the discomfort and pain, it works flawlessly, every time. I start to pass out extremely fast. It really gives me confidence that hanging does work.

The only possible way to practice is by holding the other end of the rope in your hand. That way, as you start to pass out, you release the rope, so it's safe. Practicing with a rope fixed to the anchor point is completely pointless. You won't achieve anything, because you know it's dangerous, so you won't apply enough pressure.

When people ask "How much pressure do I need?", "Am I applying enough pressure?", and questions like that, they are already destined to fail. It's like asking "If a bear attacks me, how fast should I run?". If you ask that, you're doing it wrong. The right way is lowering yourself and applying as much pressure as you possibly can.

I agree with everything you say except for the remark about my "contraption". I made a thread about it and it involves less than 5 parts. 2 air bladders that are shoved in to a neck brace on the sides of the neck, with a ratchet tie down around the outside of the cervical collar to insure pressure goes towards the neck. In the WW2 KLA Cuff study using the same device, all 58 volunteers lost consciousness within 5-15 seconds.

If you are wondering why someone would go through "the trouble" of making something like that, it's because it's no more "trouble" than buying a rope, tying the right knots, and finding a secure anchor point. Furthermore, I'm in a wheelchair and do not have any viable anchor points that make full suspension possible. The only workable anchor point I have is a bedroom door, which I could use one of those exercise band holders that goes over the top of the door and has a little ball on the end, to make a partial hanging possible - but given I live with my elderly mother, if my feet start banging against the door she would wake up and save me.

And given all of the complications that come with partial - including failing and having exploded capillaries all over my face, a big purple ring around my neck, and possible blood shot eyes, my "contraption" represents an easier, more clear path to victory. It basically replicates a blood choke in MMA, and as long as I lose consciousness, that;s all I'm after, as I will use a plastic bag over my head for insurance.

All of that said, I do agree with you that full suspension is the way to go if you really want to exit. Everything I've read has observed that consciousness is lost almost immediately. My own wife hung herself full suspension, and from all appearances, it was quick and easy. We had a lamp on a nightstand that was just an inch or 2 from her body - had she struggled at all, that would've been knocked over, without question.

While it appears that most pass out almost instantly from full suspension, there are in fact some that don't. And I can certainly understand why people are hesitant to take the chance that they are going to suffocate and panic while dangling - you may see it differently, which you are entitled to, but some of us have limitations to making full suspension a viable method.

 

[Syriancel]

I don't have a rope but I have a necktie, can I use it reliably?