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The only things normal people care about is biological males sharing washroom/change rooms with females/female kids, and biological males participating in female sports.

Drag queens like this aren't doing any favors for the community as well


A Drg Qun = nt a trns persn & thse shws r a cmpletly diffrnt issu whch hve bn insertd in2 th/ dscussn t/ psh a narr8tve

Sfe spces fr evry1 r importnt bt u r jst parrottng trnsphobc talkng pnts pushd frm 'anti-wke' sourcs


"Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime"

th/ nws artcl tht u postd = jst anti-trns propgnda whch cntributs t/ th/ statstcs referrd abve
 
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I was curious about this, so I did a quick Google search. I was expecting to find the reason being that they believed children under the age of 18 may have confused ideas on gender, may be more prone to influence by friends etc. Not saying I agree with that. It's just what I was expecting to see. This was how Google summarised it:

Whether you believe it or not, apparently the reason for them placing a ban on puberty blockers is that the Commission on Human Medicine found insufficient evidence that they are safe- which apparently is enough to classify them an unacceptable safety risk.

They listed milder side effects as: weight gain, hot flashes, headaches and mood changes. The search went on to say some clinicians believe there is no good evidence that they help with mental health and that there is some research that demonstrates a possible negative impact on brain development and bone density.

Now- whether you believe all of that is a smoke screen to cover up the real intentions is up to you.

I do believe that regulations over medicine do need to be strict though- think Thalidomide. The primary concern for doctors is to keep people alive and healthy. Sadly, even if they feel uncomfortable in their own skin- I suspect they will prioritise that. So- from what they've outlined in the above, possible negative effects on brain development and bone density sound very severe. They won't want to release a drug that isn't life critical- life saving until they've got those risks properly assessed. I actually think they tend to pull even life saving treatment if the side effects are severe enough- and put the patient on something else. Even if it doesn't work as well.

That's what I understood from what I read anyway. May not be true of course.
 
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The only things normal people care about is biological males sharing washroom/change rooms with females/female kids, and biological males participating in female sports.

Drag queens like this aren't doing any favors for the community as well

are the "normal people" in the room with us? who are you talking about?
 
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are the "normal people" in the room with us? who are you talking about?
Come on he's referring to heterosexuals who don't understand the LGBTQ community. Maybe he didn't communicate that delicately but he didn't have bad intentions.

He was just pointing out how sometimes the community didn't help itself.
 
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princessame

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Come on he's referring to heterosexuals who don't understand the LGBTQ community. Maybe he didn't communicate that delicately but he didn't have bad intentions.

He was just pointing out how sometimes the community didn't help itself.
oh i dont mean it in a rude sense, sorry if it came off that way
but i think referring to heterosexual people as "normal" isnt all that kind either
 
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oh i dont mean it in a rude sense, sorry if it came off that way
but i think referring to heterosexual people as "normal" isnt all that kind either
No it's not kind at all I agree, but we tend to give words too much importance when the most important thing is the intention behind it.
 
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Come on he's referring to heterosexuals who
don't understand the LGBTQ community. Maybe he didn't communicate that delicately but he didn't have bad intentions.

He was just pointing out how sometimes the community didn't help itself.

Agn tho - drg qun prformnces hve nothng 2 d/ wth rghts of trns ppl

Thy r talkng pnts usd b/ ppl wh/ r pushng cultre wars & wh/ wn2 rll bck rghts tht trns ppl hve
 
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Agn tho - drg qun prformnces hve nothng 2 d/ wth rghts of trns ppl

Thy r talkng pnts usd b/ ppl wh/ r pushng cultre wars & wh/ wn2 rll bck rghts tht trns ppl hve
Unfortunately people don't know that. I didn't know that either. I think the concern of people is when you touch their children and security. The LGBTQ community should be concerned about their rights without changing the life of everyone else. Yes: for the majority of people having a trans person in the 'wrong' bathroom is concerning, having a trans person competing in the 'wrong' sport gender competition is concerning. These super progressive things are one of the reasons why in the USA you now have an orange guy that now has a justification to ban women's rights like abortion and just yesterday he said that America will conquer the Panama Canal and Greenland. You live in crazy la la land…
 
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Unfortunately people don't know that. I didn't know that either. I think the concern of people is when you touch their children and security. The LGBTQ community should be concerned about their rights without changing the life of everyone else. Yes: for the majority of people having a trans person in the 'wrong' bathroom is concerning, having a trans person competing in the 'wrong' sport gender competition is concerning. These super progressive things are one of the reasons why in the USA you now have an orange guy that now has a justification to ban women's rights like abortion and just yesterday he said that America will conquer the Panama Canal and Greenland. You live in crazy la la land…

Xactly - ppl d/ nt knw tht - & cnserv8tve orgnisatns r framng issus in sch a wy whch mkes trns ppl evl - & doin tht wll caus th/ publc t/ allw trns ppl rghts 2 b takn awy

Thy alwys strt wth 'protctng th/ childrn' bt tht hs xtendd t/ tryn2 ban b-ing publcly trns fr adlts in certn st8tes


Tryn2 ban gendr-affirmng cre fr adlts - tryn2 ban trns ppl servng in miltry whn thre wre nt n.e tangble problms wth thm servng b4 - th/ publc = usng currnt talkng pnts 2 erase trns ppl frm sciety bcse consev8tve comment8trs hve attmptd t/ paint thm all as pedphles etc

E.g th/ artcl abt drg quns - if th/ locl councl hd allowd a performnce of pole-dancrs thn th/ blme wld hve bn placd on th/ evnt hostr fr hostng a performnce whch = nt appropri8 --- bt bcse thy usd drg quns thn thy r insinu8tng tht th/ drg guns r tryn2 groom childrn - th/ framng = biasd 2wrds th/ specfc cmmuntis bcse = prt of a widr moral panc ovr lgbtq ppl

S/ whle rghts of cis womn & childrn & frnkly evry1 etc shld alwys b protctd trns ppl r pushng bck atm bcse thy r awre of hw thse currnt scietl argmnts r b-ing usd fr pushng legslatns whch r mch mre sinsitr

U sy tht LGBTQ ppl r tryn2 'chnge th/ lves of evry1 els' bt wht xampls d/ u hve of tht

Trns ppl on sasu jst wnt 2 liv thr lves w/o dscrimnatn
 
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Xactly - ppl d/ nt knw tht - & cnserv8tve orgnisatns r framng issus in sch a wy whch mkes trns ppl evl - & doin tht wll caus th/ publc t/ allw trns ppl rghts 2 b takn awy

Thy alwys strt wth 'protctng th/ childrn' bt tht hs xtendd t/ tryn2 ban b-ing publcly trns fr adlts in certn st8tes


Tryn2 ban gendr-affirmng cre fr adlts - tryn2 ban trns ppl servng in miltry whn thre wre nt n.e tangble problms wth thm servng b4 - th/ publc = usng currnt talkng pnts 2 erase trns ppl frm sciety bcse consev8tve comment8trs hve attmptd t/ paint thm all as pedphles etc

S/ whle rghts of cis womn & childrn & frnkly evry1 etc shld alwys b protctd trns ppl r pushng bck atm bcse thy r awre of hw thse currnt scietl argmnts r b-ing usd fr pushng legslatns whch r mch mre sinsitr

U sy tht LGBTQ ppl r tryn2 'chnge th/ lves of evry1 els' bt wht xampls d/ u hve of tht

Trns ppl on sasu jst wnt 2 liv thr lves w/o dscrimnatn
In Switzerland where I am for example minors can change sex without their parent's consent. I don't know about American laws. In Italy I can assure you that 99% of people have absolutely zero problems with gay rights or trans rights, but there are concerns about trans people being able to adopt. The problem comes when you have people wanting to change school's teachings on sexual education for example. No body wants to do harm to gay or trans people in Europe…

In Switzerland if you are wondering they CAN pass those laws because the economy is so good that the country can actually spend a lot of money into the best education for everyone, so the vast majority of Swiss people will grow up with a functioning brain inside their heads, the same thing can't be said in the USA where you have whole states full of ignorants because the education system is not as good as the Swiss one (none in the world is).

It is true that the right wing in America is trying to use this as an excuse to harm many people, but the point is that the USA is not ready to be that much progressive, you had to be content with what you had and if the Democratic Party was a little bit less progressive you would've won the elections.
 
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The love of my life, the one person I love more than anything in this world, the light of my eyes, is also trans. Can't help but empathize.
 
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First of all, I love all of you very much! I wish I could hug all of you and be there for you. I wish we had an in person community beyond this internet forum. It is no substitute for personal connection. Though it is helpful and better than nothing.

Trigger warning. I'm about to disagree with most of you. I know this will upset many of you. For that I am sorry. But the fact of the matter is that not hearing and truly attempting to understand differing opinions will only cause you more pain. I write this for those willing to listen to others and respect their differences to understand them. With no need to attempt to change another's mind about anything.

Banning puberty blockers for minors has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with love. There is extensive evidence to show puberty blockers cause permanent irreversible harm. Such as hindering bone development. As well as worsening mental effects. We see so many trans people here who've transitioned yet they still express suicidal intentions. In this very thread even. There is even at least one non-profit that helps people detransition. With this and many other issues usually both sides have in their hearts a desire for what is best for all. It's just a difference in optinion as to what they believe is best. To believe otherwise is ignorant. To accuse of hate, or to be hateful will only hurt your own mental well-being even further.

Below the video I posted is a link that got labeled "you are being redirected" idk why it got labeled that way. But it's a link that has scientific information discussing many of the health harms caused by puberty blockers. So much more can be found easily with an internet search.

I will refuse to debate any of you about this. Y'all have the Internet. This information is widely available to anyone who desires to search and read it. Would it make sense to hate lawmakers for not allowing children to get tattoo's?

I can not possibly stress enough enough how important it is to attempt to understand those you see as your opponent. That doesn't mean changing your own mind. That only means attempting to understand their hearts, by asking them. There is no other way. Not if you wish to achieve peace within your own mind. After all, that's the only mind you can control.

I'd like to share my first memory of how I attempted to understand the other side and how it changed myself. I was raised as a strict evangelical christian. (Im agnostic now who is certain the Bible is false.) I was in an online debate group, mostly political. I made a post once asking why gay people sought to have legalized marriages. (I felt they were causing problems by causing arguments but I didn't express this.) This is what I did say though. I asked why did gay people even care about marriage. I said it was silly for them to care about getting govt approval of their romantic life. Why did they want it? Welp...I was humbled. I was informed that among many things one thing they valued was being immediate family legally so they could be allowed in the hospital room of their dying spouse for example. Amongst many other things that mattered to them. That fore er changed my view of that issue and how I've approached other issues since then.


I love all of you. Thank you for taking the time to read this.



 
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Slf wll jst add also tht currnt thred ws mde as a ventng thred fr OP t/ vnt abt thr strggles s/ deb8tng whthr or nt thse issus r valid = prbbly smethng tht shld happn on anothr thred
 
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Slf wll jst add also tht currnt thred ws mde as a ventng thred fr OP t/ vnt abt thr strggles s/ deb8tng whthr or nt thse issus r valid = prbbly smethng tht shld happn on anothr thred
It is harmful to ones mental well-being to be so upset with others. It is helpful to one mental well-being to attempt to understand others and find common ground.

That was not a post about whether the issues are valid or not. To clarify both sides are valid. As stated in the post it's about attempting those you oppose without changing your own mind.
Posting a controversial opinion and refusing to hear another person's viewpoint is a bit cheeky, don't you think?
Rarely, oh so rarely does such debate ever lead to anything positive. Therfore it's not logical to engage in such debate as it generally only causes more harm. It's not about attempting to change anyone's mind. The post stressed that it's about attempting to understand those you oppose without changing your own mind.
 
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First of all, I love all of you very much! I wish I could hug all of you and be there for you. I wish we had an in person community beyond this internet forum. It is no substitute for personal connection. Though it is helpful and better than nothing.

Trigger warning. I'm about to disagree with most of you. I know this will upset many of you. For that I am sorry. But the fact of the matter is that not hearing and truly attempting to understand differing opinions will only cause you more pain. I write this for those willing to listen to others and respect their differences to understand them. With no need to attempt to change another's mind about anything.

Banning puberty blockers for minors has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with love. There is extensive evidence to show puberty blockers cause permanent irreversible harm. Such as hindering bone development. As well as worsening mental effects. We see so many trans people here who've transitioned yet they still express suicidal intentions. In this very thread even. There is even at least one non-profit that helps people detransition. With this and many other issues usually both sides have in their hearts a desire for what is best for all. It's just a difference in optinion as to what they believe is best. To believe otherwise is ignorant. To accuse of hate, or to be hateful will only hurt your own mental well-being even further.

Below the video I posted is a link that got labeled "you are being redirected" idk why it got labeled that way. But it's a link that has scientific information discussing many of the health harms caused by puberty blockers. So much more can be found easily with an internet search.

I will refuse to debate any of you about this. Y'all have the Internet. This information is widely available to anyone who desires to search and read it. Would it make sense to hate lawmakers for not allowing children to get tattoo's?

I can not possibly stress enough enough how important it is to attempt to understand those you see as your opponent. That doesn't mean changing your own mind. That only means attempting to understand their hearts, by asking them. There is no other way. Not if you wish to achieve peace within your own mind. After all, that's the only mind you can control.

I'd like to share my first memory of how I attempted to understand the other side and how it changed myself. I was raised as a strict evangelical christian. (Im agnostic now who is certain the Bible is false.) I was in an online debate group, mostly political. I made a post once asking why gay people sought to have legalized marriages. (I felt they were causing problems by causing arguments but I didn't express this.) This is what I did say though. I asked why did gay people even care about marriage. I said it was silly for them to care about getting govt approval of their romantic life. Why did they want it? Welp...I was humbled. I was informed that among many things one thing they valued was being immediate family legally so they could be allowed in the hospital room of their dying spouse for example. Amongst many other things that mattered to them. That fore er changed my view of that issue and how I've approached other issues since then.


I love all of you. Thank you for taking the time to read this.




For me, the reason I am suicidal isn't cus of being trans. Gender transition and hormones have lessen my dysphoria and have allowed me to love and be comfortable my body. I am suicidal just cus of feelings of emptiness and guilt as well as break ups and friends abandoning me. Trans people are mostly suicidal cus of discrimination, transphobia and not being able to access gender transitioning medications and surgeries.

I have explained why puberty blockers should be allowed for children who think they are trans or unsure about their gender in a different thread but this is what I said:
I do agree that gender transition shouldn't be encouraged but it shouldn't be discouraged. It should just be only the person themselves that should figure out their gender and make the choice to gender transition. However there is no harm with stuff like social transition at early ages as that just includes change of name, pronouns, clothes, hair etc and not medical transition which includes medications and surgeries. Children should be allow to experiment with their gender if they are unsure about it with social transition and temporarily changes to their appearance.

Tho puberty blockers should be available for children going into puberty cus if they think they are trans and if they don't take them, their body could have permanent changes to it that could forever make that person more dysphoric. Trans women may have to suffer with a more masculine body when trans men may have to suffer with a more feminine body. Trans adults may have to go through more surgeries to relieve their gender dysphoria than what is necessary if they don't take puberty blockers as a child. Puberty blockers shouldn't cause much physical harm when taken from the age you start puberty to the age 16 (at least in my country) to start taking the primary hormones of the opposite sex as when you take them they lessen the negative effects of blocker such as lower bone density as thats just caused by a lack of sex hormone. Puberty blockers allow children who aren't sure of their gender to be able to make the choice of going through whichever puberty they want at a later age so that they less likely to regret permanent changes to their body and cause less dysphoria later in life. This is why taking hormones of the opposite sex can only be made later in life which I agree with as that causes permanent changes to the body. When you are older you should be allowed to make more decisions on what you want for your body and so should be allowed to take hormones.

When I first knew about trans people as a teenager, I instantly knew I was a trans girl from my experiences from early childhood to the age I was then. Nothing encouraged me to gender transition, I just simply figured it out myself that this was whats best for me. I would consider myself lucky cus even if I went through most of male puberty, I had a more natural feminine body compared to most boys and so don't have as many regrets and dysphoria with my body now with hormones however other trans people may not be so lucky with their natural puberties which can cause their mental health to be worse. Puberty blockers should be allowed for children not to encourage them to transition but to allow them to make the choice of what their gender is later in life when they can be more sure of what permanent changes they want with their body.
 
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For me, the reason I am suicidal isn't cus of being trans. Gender transition and hormones have lessen my dysphoria and have allowed me to love and be comfortable my body. I am suicidal just cus of feelings of emptiness and guilt as well as break ups and friends abandoning me. Trans people are mostly suicidal cus of discrimination, transphobia and not being able to access gender transitioning medications and surgeries.

I have explained why puberty blockers should be allowed for children who think they are trans or unsure about their gender in a different thread but this is what I said:
I appreciate you sharing this very much. It really helps illustrate the complexity of such issues. I am not trans. I can not and would not dare say I understand such feelings.

I can only express how important it is to attempt to understand the hearts of those who disagree. This can help ease frustration. This can help unite and not divide. This isn't entirely all directed at you either. I'm not saying these are all things you don't know and should know. I'm not saying that at all.

I very much appreciate your views and sharing them with us.

This will be my final post on this thread. Because I do not see how else I could express that I'm only trying to show y'all the hearts of the other side and how important it is to ask them what their feelings are.
 
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First of all, I love all of you very much! I wish I could hug all of you and be there for you. I wish we had an in person community beyond this internet forum. It is no substitute for personal connection. Though it is helpful and better than nothing.

Trigger warning. I'm about to disagree with most of you. I know this will upset many of you. For that I am sorry. But the fact of the matter is that not hearing and truly attempting to understand differing opinions will only cause you more pain. I write this for those willing to listen to others and respect their differences to understand them. With no need to attempt to change another's mind about anything.

Banning puberty blockers for minors has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with love. There is extensive evidence to show puberty blockers cause permanent irreversible harm. Such as hindering bone development. As well as worsening mental effects. We see so many trans people here who've transitioned yet they still express suicidal intentions. In this very thread even. There is even at least one non-profit that helps people detransition. With this and many other issues usually both sides have in their hearts a desire for what is best for all. It's just a difference in optinion as to what they believe is best. To believe otherwise is ignorant. To accuse of hate, or to be hateful will only hurt your own mental well-being even further.

Below the video I posted is a link that got labeled "you are being redirected" idk why it got labeled that way. But it's a link that has scientific information discussing many of the health harms caused by puberty blockers. So much more can be found easily with an internet search.

I will refuse to debate any of you about this. Y'all have the Internet. This information is widely available to anyone who desires to search and read it. Would it make sense to hate lawmakers for not allowing children to get tattoo's?

I can not possibly stress enough enough how important it is to attempt to understand those you see as your opponent. That doesn't mean changing your own mind. That only means attempting to understand their hearts, by asking them. There is no other way. Not if you wish to achieve peace within your own mind. After all, that's the only mind you can control.

I'd like to share my first memory of how I attempted to understand the other side and how it changed myself. I was raised as a strict evangelical christian. (Im agnostic now who is certain the Bible is false.) I was in an online debate group, mostly political. I made a post once asking why gay people sought to have legalized marriages. (I felt they were causing problems by causing arguments but I didn't express this.) This is what I did say though. I asked why did gay people even care about marriage. I said it was silly for them to care about getting govt approval of their romantic life. Why did they want it? Welp...I was humbled. I was informed that among many things one thing they valued was being immediate family legally so they could be allowed in the hospital room of their dying spouse for example. Amongst many other things that mattered to them. That fore er changed my view of that issue and how I've approached other issues since then.


I love all of you. Thank you for taking the time to read this.




I was curious about this, so I did a quick Google search. I was expecting to find the reason being that they believed children under the age of 18 may have confused ideas on gender, may be more prone to influence by friends etc. Not saying I agree with that. It's just what I was expecting to see. This was how Google summarised it:

Whether you believe it or not, apparently the reason for them placing a ban on puberty blockers is that the Commission on Human Medicine found insufficient evidence that they are safe- which apparently is enough to classify them an unacceptable safety risk.

They listed milder side effects as: weight gain, hot flashes, headaches and mood changes. The search went on to say some clinicians believe there is no good evidence that they help with mental health and that there is some research that demonstrates a possible negative impact on brain development and bone density.

Now- whether you believe all of that is a smoke screen to cover up the real intentions is up to you.

I do believe that regulations over medicine do need to be strict though- think Thalidomide. The primary concern for doctors is to keep people alive and healthy. Sadly, even if they feel uncomfortable in their own skin- I suspect they will prioritise that. So- from what they've outlined in the above, possible negative effects on brain development and bone density sound very severe. They won't want to release a drug that isn't life critical- life saving until they've got those risks properly assessed. I actually think they tend to pull even life saving treatment if the side effects are severe enough- and put the patient on something else. Even if it doesn't work as well.

That's what I understood from what I read anyway. May not be true of course.
the problem is theyre still gonna allow puberty blockers for cis kids who need them for whatever reason. its only trans kids its not gonna be used for. if they were dangerous theyd be banned for everyone, also all the cass report is flawed in so many ways that i dont remember all the specific issues

also,im ngl puberty blockers/transition *is* life saving
 
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the problem is theyre still gonna allow puberty blockers for cis kids who need them for whatever reason. its only trans kids its not gonna be used for. if they were dangerous theyd be banned for everyone, also all the cass report is flawed in so many ways that i dont remember all the specific issues

also,im ngl puberty blockers/transition *is* life saving
Not the right way to think about medicinals. Antidepressants save lives but in most western countries you can't get them if you don't have a prescription. Medicinals should be used only when necessary. They will give puberty blockers when there will be a medical reason to use them, they decided that changing sex isn't one of them since you can still decide to freely change sex after you are 18 and an adult.
 
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Not the right way to think about medicinals. Antidepressants save lives but in most western countries you can't get them if you don't have a prescription. Medicinals should be used only when necessary. They will give puberty blockers when there will be a medical reason to use them, they decided that changing sex isn't one of them since you can still decide to freely change sex after you are 18 and an adult.
the point of puberty blockers was to be a compromise to just pause puberty and wait till the person is 18 or is certain about transition before doing it. going through the wrong puberty as a trans person is like one of the worst things someone can experience lmao i dont think you get that, being trans isnt just "oh i wanna be another gender" all willy nilly, theres so much suffering that comes with it and being able to transition as soon as possible in whatever way is important.
 
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the point of puberty blockers was to be a compromise to just pause puberty and wait till the person is 18 or is certain about transition before doing it. going through the wrong puberty as a trans person is like one of the worst things someone can experience lmao i dont think you get that, being trans isnt just "oh i wanna be another gender" all willy nilly, theres so much suffering that comes with it and being able to transition as soon as possible in whatever way is important.
I understand that, but society is not taking risks about letting minors aged less than 16 to decide something that will change their body forever. In the USA you don't let a 18 yo have sex with a 16 yo but for you it's acceptable to let a 15 yo block their development in the most crucial years of their lives? You let people buy guns at 18 and drive a deadly four wheels weapon at 16 but you don't let a 19 yo drink a sip of beer. At the same time you want a 14 yo change sex without the consent of their parents. Your moral compass is all over the place.

Edit: I assumed you were American because most people here are from there. My point still stands. At the age of 15 you definitely can't make that decision.
 
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I understand that, but society is not taking risks about letting minors aged less than 16 to decide something that will change their body forever. In the USA you don't let a 18 yo have sex with a 16 yo but for you it's acceptable to let a 15 yo block their development in the most crucial years of their lives? You let people buy guns at 18 and drive a deadly four wheels weapon at 16 but you don't let a 19 yo drink a sip of beer. At the same time you want a 14 yo change sex without the consent of their parents. Your moral compass is all over the place.
im not from the us so i cant comment on any of that but there is no "risk" with puberty blockers, they are reversible, you can just stop taking them and puberty will resume as normal lmao, its not changing them "forever". i explicitly said that puberty blockers were supposed to be the compromise solution for these exact issues so theres more time to decide if its actually right for the child lmao. if it is? great, get them on hrt. if its not? no harm done just stop taking the blockers.
 
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Namelesa

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I understand that, but society is not taking risks about letting minors aged less than 16 to decide something that will change their body forever. In the USA you don't let a 18 yo have sex with a 16 yo but for you it's acceptable to let a 15 yo block their development in the most crucial years of their lives? You let people buy guns at 18 and drive a deadly four wheels weapon at 16 but you don't let a 19 yo drink a sip of beer. At the same time you want a 14 yo change sex without the consent of their parents. Your moral compass is all over the place.
I will agree with not allowing children to get hormones or surgeries as they are permanent but they should be allowed puberty blockers as I said in a post on here. If they change their mind and want to go through their natural puberty they can just stop taking them.
 
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the problem is theyre still gonna allow puberty blockers for cis kids who need them for whatever reason. its only trans kids its not gonna be used for. if they were dangerous theyd be banned for everyone, also all the cass report is flawed in so many ways that i dont remember all the specific issues

also,im ngl puberty blockers/transition *is* life saving

That's very suspicious then- I agree. If it were truly a medical health risk, it should be pulled off the shelves for all.
 
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im not from the us so i cant comment on any of that but there is no "risk" with puberty blockers, they are reversible, you can just stop taking them and puberty will resume as normal lmao, its not changing them "forever". i explicitly said that puberty blockers were supposed to be the compromise solution for these exact issues so theres more time to decide if its actually right for the child lmao. if it is? great, get them on hrt. if its not? no harm done just stop taking the blockers.
If that's the case I agree with you. I admit I never read scientific papers about them so I'll take your word as the truth.
 
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Sep 10, 2024
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That's very suspicious then- I agree. If it were truly a medical health risk, it should be pulled off the shelves for all.
theres alot of good sources about the report they used to say puberty blockers are unsafe and all the issues with it here
If that's the case I agree with you. I admit I never read scientific papers about them so I'll take your word as the truth.
theres alot of like details and that about trans people in general here and a good debunk of every common argument you might hear (its also just good info i've linked this to a fair few people lol)
theres stuff on puberty blockers in here too
 
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The only things normal people care about is biological males sharing washroom/change rooms with females/female kids, and biological males participating in female sports.

Drag queens like this aren't doing any favors for the community as well

I am a straight biological male and I understand the point you are making. The general public are concerned about transgender males using female washrooms and participating in female sports. And the majority of parents are against drag queens performing in front of young kids. All the above is a fact, whether you believe it to be right or wrong.

I am an empath and have sympathy for transgender people who suffer at the hands of transphobes.

I have many gay and lesbian friends even though I'm a typical straight male who loves females. Anyway, here's my tale.

When my first born was 15 he said to me, "Dad, you are not gonna love me" and began to cry.

I put my arms around him and told him that loved him and asked why he thought I wouldn't love him.

He told me that I liked football beer and girls, before revealing that he was gay.

I put my arms around him and told him not to feel ashamed of being gay but to be proud of himself and of course I still love him.

To cut a long story short he had a sex change and declared himself to be female. In fact she won Miss Tiffany Universe in 2012. I am proud of her.

Many of my friends are astonished when I tell them this true story and many will stress the she's a male and always will be.

So I do understand that many people are transphobic.

I just plod on in this crazy world, and I am in this site because death is a dream.

My daughter is a successful model, we keep in touch.

Love from me ❤️
 
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yowai

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Aug 28, 2024
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Ok and? Plenty of meds have different uses depending on the context lmao. This means literally nothing. Please read the sources i sent
Mkay I don't feel comfortable with the thought of chemically castrating children and don't know why you're so fixated on them getting drugs instead of regular therapy but okay.
 

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