Story I possibly wrote what some may have taken as a misogynistic thread the other day

[BluesRunTheGame]

But I am a troubled soul. I have had my fair share of difficulties with women, it's true, though I still think the sexes are very much equal. I just wanted to open the dialogue on why there are so many more male than female suicides.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

I'm going to pre emptively post a femboy in case this devolves.

 

[Midgardsorm]

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Do people really care if someone is a misogynist on a suicide board on the internet? I dunno, maybe it's just me but I find it hard to get worked up about any type of prejudice some stranger online might have going on, whether real or perceived.

 

[A_miStake_of_NATURE]

But I am a troubled soul. I have had my fair share of difficulties with women, it's true, though I still think the sexes are very much equal. I just wanted to open the dialogue on why there are so many more male than female suicides.

So you're not a misogynist????
I'm confused now…..
And now, on a serious note, women just have a different mentality. We're just different, men and women. Maybe it's harder for men to deal with pressure, maybe it's something completely opposite. Maybe no one can really tell, who commits suicide more often, and the statistics lie!!

 

[Meditation guide]

Ok taking your first post here at face value, the reason is men are more comfortable with doing away with themselves and the pain and violence it requires. They have testosterone which gives a certain amount of physical bravery and more acceptance of what needs to be done to ctb.

Another reason might be that women feel responsible for children they have and don't ctb because their kids need them.

Regarding some of those posts on the other thread of yours, they were extremely hurtful. I'm relieved it was removed. I was afraid this site felt it was ok to spew that kind of hostility at any group of people. I've been in a foul mood ever since I read it.

 

[Bagger]

lol

But I am a troubled soul. I have had my fair share of difficulties with women, it's true, though I still think the sexes are very much equal. I just wanted to open the dialogue on why there are so many more male than female suicides.

I think you should't worry too much about it. In my lifetime i was called all sort of nasty things, mainly because i never was a fan of pretending that world around is all rainbow and unicorns.

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

Oh well. Females do it too.

 

[Peel_the_Banana]

I just wanna shit post dammit!!!





BTW this doesn't make us even, YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED!!! *evil music plays*

 

[BluesRunTheGame]

I just wanna shit post dammit!!!


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BTW this doesn't make us even, YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED!!! *evil music plays*

Vague blackout memories of tagging you?

 

[Roneo Kuhn]

But I am a troubled soul. I have had my fair share of difficulties with women, it's true, though I still think the sexes are very much equal. I just wanted to open the dialogue on why there are so many more male than female suicides.

Yeah I had hoped that wasn't your true heart. However, adding in the thing about patholical narcissism gave the implied to me that that was going to be the discussion.

I honestly wouldn't have taken as much umbridge with the post if it was marked as venting or something.

Anyhow, the difference in suicide rates is certainly a topic of interest. It is my understanding it has a lot to do with the methods chosen and that male mental health is not discussed or valued in many societies though I'd say mental health in general is underserved at least in the US.

 

[!WILL!]

I've read somewhere that women are more likely to attempt suicide but men are more likely to succeed. I think this is due to men choosing more violent methods that are more likely to work such as guns. There could be different reasons for this such as men being more likely to already own a gun because of social expectations. I could be wrong.

 

[toforigivelife]

But I am a troubled soul. I have had my fair share of difficulties with women, it's true, though I still think the sexes are very much equal. I just wanted to open the dialogue on why there are so many more male than female suicides.

I'm a woman and speaking as such; it's not immoral for you to have thoughts and feelings based on past experiences and past hurts. Even if these feelings involve negative views and thoughts regarding members of the "fairer sex" who've hurt you, regardless of what the media and the thought police want to tell you.

Both genders have had problems with each other and both genders have the ability to be exceptionally wonderful human beings, exceptionally horrible human beings and somewhere in between.

You're a human being, a mere mortal, you've had your experiences and you're allowed to express your hurt and anger and allowed to have "incorrect" thoughts.

 

[StevieNixs]

Do people really care if someone is a misogynist on a suicide board on the internet? I dunno, maybe it's just me but I find it hard to get worked up about any type of prejudice some stranger online might have going on, whether real or perceived.

I initially came to this site believing there would be some respite from that type of rubbish, and, for other people these sort of "prejudices" might have been what led them to want to CTB and led them to this site in the first place - only to have to encounter it here as well? Maybe the people not bothered by any type of prejudice are the people less personally impacted by this type of thing.

 

[Meditation guide]

Spineless responses to spewing of hate towards women, or any type of group of people who are not killers or molesters, on a forum, has to be seen as supportive of it.

 

[BluesRunTheGame]

Spineless responses to spewing of hate towards women, or any type of group of people who are not killers or molesters, on a forum, has to be seen as supportive of it.

I don't think anyone was expressing or supporting actual hatred. Sorry you've felt hurt though.

 

[StevieNixs]

I don't think anyone was expressing or supporting actual hatred. Sorry you've felt hurt though.

But I have personally seen hatred on other threads on this site from one guy in particular who also receives a lot of likes on his posts. I started searching through various threads yesterday and was upset by many of the things I read. This person's posts still remain.

 

[Pure]

Women attempt suicide at higher rates because we tend to use less lethal methods (ie poisoning) than men (ie guns). Who knows why. Personally I think it's because it's less violent and women worry about the state of their bodies afterwards.

The whole "men kill themselves at higher rates" without addressing what I said above is often used by incels to justify why they believe that society is actually a matriarchy and men are oppressed by women.

Male suicide should be addressed yes, but it has to be done in a way that isn't blatantly misinformed.

 

[Pluto]

The challenge here for everyone is to retain a sense of empathy despite the genders often having opposite grievances to one another.

I am male, my best friend is female. She has told me she has so many people draining her - her partner, her mother, her mother-in-law, her workplace, her kids - that she sometimes wants to CTB. I told her I wish I had that problem because I have almost no friends/family and am rotting in endless isolation, which is my main reason to CTB. She told me she wished she had my problem. Then we realised we're actually going through the same thing and respect for each other's grievances is in order.

Another time, a close male friend who had been through enormous difficulties finding a partner, endlessly rejected, finally found a girlfriend for the first time in his mid to late 30s. She had been through stories of child sexual abuse, rape, homelessness and dozens of violent relationships over her very rough lifetime. (They're still together 5 years later.) I realised for the first time that in my total abandonment, I was actually lucky and my heart went out to her and women like her.

Men who buy into the self-pity mindset really piss me off, because the natural response is for women to immediately withdraw all care and empathy for men. A society in which men and women only care about themselves and their own 'type' is exactly the sort of shithole that brought us all to this state.

The actual reasons for higher male suicide rate have already been mentioned here. There's a lot more that could be said on the topic. For example, the traditional role of men has been high-risk work and being thrown into the meat grinder of wars. Low-status men have always been utterly disposable. Women, meanwhile, have been assigned the role of making and looking after babies - with or without 'consent'. This entails being protected to some degree, but is equally horrible when you think about it. I can't say any of it is appealing to me!

In practice, some people are living it up and having a great time with the whole game of being human. Many others are at least doing OK. Those of us at the bottom of the hierarchy deserve respect, regardless of gender. And a tip: being extra respectful of the opposite gender helps overcome our natural tendency to be biased towards ourselves, and makes us better people. Now hopefully this thread can die. :D

 

[Bullit]

You're fine! Don't give it a seconds thought!

 

[Meditation guide]

I don't think anyone was expressing or supporting actual hatred. Sorry you've felt hurt though.

So why was your thread removed?

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

 

[spinningharmonica]

I read because males use more lethal methods than females hence the success rate.

 

[RockBot]

I'm really pleased to read about your friend and his girlfriend still being together after 5 years @Pluto. It's always nice to hear when things do work out eventually for people sometimes.

 

[Pluto]

I'm really pleased to read about your friend and his girlfriend still being together after 5 years @Pluto. It's always nice to hear when things do work out eventually for people sometimes.

Yeah, I never would have picked it. After everything she's been through, she's terrified of men but she's attached to him like a child to a parent. And he would never do anything harmful. It's sort of a best case scenario. A lot of women in her position end up in a cycle of only being attracted to aggressive men, but as you say, things actually work out for people sometimes.

 

[Makko]

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Men who buy into the self-pity mindset really piss me off, because the natural response is for women to immediately withdraw all care and empathy for men.

I hate myself. It isn't women's fault, but society makes things too hard for people like me. It's almost as if people have this "sucks to be you" approach, as if all my experiences are somehow all my fault or because I didn't "try hard enough". Goddammit, this makes me want to ctb. Hope this doesn't come across as personal, it isn't meant to be.

 

[Pluto]

I hate myself. It isn't women's fault, but society makes things too hard for people like me.

I know exactly how you feel, and I sympathise. The problem dates right back to how we are raised, the self-image of ourselves that we develop as we grow up, and the support (or lack thereof) that we are given. I hope you can find a genuine solution, as what's happened is not your fault.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

I know exactly how you feel, and I sympathise. The problem dates right back to how we are raised, the self-image of ourselves that we develop as we grow up, and the support (or lack thereof) that we are given. I hope you can find a genuine solution, as what's happened is not your fault.

I had first-hand experience of that. My dad was never a good role-model and not interested in me or my brother unless it was to discipline us. My mom was mainly looking after us, and offered the most support but there was only so much she could do. He would say things like "Depression? What depression? Go out and find a girlfriend!" or "you haven't had it hard enough". I only tried once to talk to him about it and the moment he invalidated what I was going through, I never bothered again. Sadly, there appears to be only one solution at this stage, but a small part of me holds out for a miracle.

 

[meetapple]

I had first-hand experience of that. My dad was never a good role-model and not interested in me or my brother unless it was to discipline us. My mom was mainly looking after us, and offered the most support but there was only so much she could do. He would say things like "Depression? What depression? Go out and find a girlfriend!" or "you haven't had it hard enough". I only tried once to talk to him about it and the moment he invalidated what I was going through, I never bothered again. Sadly, there appears to be only one solution at this stage, but a small part of me holds out for a miracle.

But you are young right? You can try to eliminate your Dad's influences knowing that he wasn't worth listening to.