Discussion is death the end

[cassie]

do any of you believe that consciousness continues in some form after death? and how would the idea of ,,nothingness,, after death make you feel?
if death truly is the end.. does that make life more precious/special or meaningless?

 

[sadalways]

In my mind it's either reincarnation or going to a place where your soul continues to live on, with other peoples souls, and you get to meet the souls of the people you met in your past lifes, like a reunion i guess. I know this sounds like a bunch of crazy bullshit probably, but it helps me cope. Because nothingness kind of sounds... scary. Gives me some kind of dread. I don't really want it to be nothingness. Even though its what probably happens.. but i try not to think about it, because if i overthink i start losing the grip on everything, nothingness is difficult to grasp. At least for me.

 

[Worndown]

Everyone has a view on this because everyone will die.
Life has enough problems. Debating this will never find an answer.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It better be the freaking end.

 

[Worndown]

Biologically, anything but the end is difficult to defend.

 

[cassie]

Everyone has a view on this because everyone will die.
Life has enough problems. Debating this will never find an answer.

dont worry, im not looking for THE answer, im looking for ALL the answers

 

[mind3de]

I'm very certain that there is a god.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

@Darkover posted an interesting thread and views a few days ago: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/why-you-cant-exist-outside-of-matter.197328/

 

[Rational man]

I think its a personal belief. The only certainty pertains to impermanence of everything, A little like the Buddhist belief I guess. I do believe that we are recycled and its comforting to know that my nutritional dust may help the animal kingdom or plant life. I do not believe in the orthodox belief of heaven and hell but then, I cannot prove or disprove this apart from the absolute evidence of the cosmic god, the creator of nature and cosmos. Nothingness to me is simply returning to the point before i was born and life has become infinitely more focused, since my incurable illness was diagnosed.

 

[Peter Skellern]

There's a few of us on here that have experienced 'occurances' in our lives that are difficult/impossible to explain. You could put them down to chance but then the odds of suchlike would be astronomical in themselves. It makes one therefore think there's some one/thing 'orchestrating' significant events in our lives when we need them. That being the case it also makes me wonder about life after death.

Of course this is not a popular viewpoint on here.

 

[montanatype]

There's a few of us on here that have experienced 'occurances' in our lives that are difficult/impossible to explain. You could put them down to chance but then the odds of suchlike would be astronomical in themselves. It makes one therefore think there's some one/thing 'orchestrating' significant events in our lives when we need them. That being the case it also makes me wonder about life after death.

Of course this is not a popular viewpoint on here.

I think about it a lot, coincidences that are too witty, extreme situations at turning points, but why? What is the decision one can make? I think about killing myself, but is that really all? Maybe it is, I don't know what else there is in this life.

 

[hawkshorizon]

I'd like to believe there's something afterwards, but I believe awareness end with the death of the brain. I was raised in a religious household where I was held to believe there was something glorious awaiting us after death. I know in my heart there is no such state of being.

This one life, a radical cosmic accident, is our one and only experience as sentient beings. What comes after includes the transforming of one state of matter to another. If I'm honest, I hope I'm proven wrong, but I don't think that's the case.

Finally, I get Worndown when they say this really isn't a question you can debate. We will never know with absolute certainty what's behind the veil, and with an open ended mystery of this magnitude, it's best to hold your tongue and wait for your turn to see what the results are.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

do any of you believe that consciousness continues in some form after death? and how would the idea of ,,nothingness,, after death make you feel?
if death truly is the end.. does that make life more precious/special or meaningless?

Yes Death is the end of consciousness forever.

evolution is true. there is massive evidence for evolution and that life is cells, rooms full hundreds of years of evidence, there is evidence nor mechanism for any soul afterlife nor reincarnation.

very smart hard working focused people have been working for 100's of year to find out what life is what a human is where did it orgininate. evlolution cell biology are just 2 sciences which show what life is . life is just a cell . a cell evolved around 4 billion years ago . that is the ancestor of every living thing including fish, humans, mice , bacteria.

there are thousands of books that detail what life is and where it came from . there is no mystery and is on the internet and in books what life is . life is cells and chemical reactions so is a human cells and just chemical reactions. all life descended from a single cell that evolved around 4 billion years ago .

consciousness is only a function of the Brain. even if a small area of the brain is damaged that can change the personality thinking consciousneess.

Drugs affect the brain and also change the personality ability to think and halucinations etc.

there is no constant self the human is different at 1 day old, 2 weeks old , 3 months old and every year or time period thereafter. so which self is the real you ? there is no eternal self . so where was my soul when i was a single celled zygote? there is no soul and there has never been any evidence of a soul ever

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/robotics-and-ai/articles/10.3389/frobt.2017.00060/full

imo i don't see any difference between life and everything else like chemical reactions or machines since a human or an ameoba is a machine chemical reactions. imo the Brain fools a human into thinking things and themselves are important meaningfull needed and evolution forces some things to be needed like food water sleep avoiding pain etc. so then these things become important to the organism but only because evolution programmed them in the brain of the organism to be constantly hungry for food for example so food becomes important . but to the universe food is not important . to me it's another imposition that food is important because i'm a slave to that garbage in that i have to work so hard every day to fucking feed myself these 30 trillion monstrous cells that they call a human body. and that is just one need one prison me a slave all we are

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

If death bring to nothingness is ok for me, if there is an afterlife, i just hope that there is a futurist hospital wich cover any kind of suffering in order to get rid of all the bad things we experienced and be like a newborn again.

 

[312]

I believe that death is the end of everything, at least that's what I hope.

 

[wiggy]

@Darkover posted an interesting thread and views a few days ago: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/why-you-cant-exist-outside-of-matter.197328/

There's a few thought experiments about post-death consciousness that are compatible with materialism. I think it's a very fun subject to think about, but I'd be lying if I said I truly believe them in an emotional sense. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, as I think a cessation of being is far more benevolent than eternal being.

 

[divinemistress36]

People debate on here all the time that there is nothing after death but nobody knows for sure. I hoping I go to some other dimension

 

[Raven2]

I fucking hope so.

I dont wanna live in eternity or reincarnate. I wish for nothingness like before we were born.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, I believe death to be non-existence which is all I wish and hope for, I wish to be permanently unconscious of this torturous, futile existence that always felt like the most terrible tragic mistake to me and no matter what I'd prefer to not exist, in this existence where there is all this endless cruelty and suffering non-existence truly is all that's positive for me. I'd never wish for the cruel and unnecessary burden of existing as a human where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer where one is just waiting to cease existing anyway, for me non-existence truly is the only relief, it's all I wish and hope for, I was just never meant for this existence of suffering all for the sake of it.

 

[zappynomore]

It probably does make it more precious if death is the end. But it depends on the circumstances. Like if you are in physical or mental pain why prolong your suffering if there is no greater meaning or life after death?

I know some people want life to have a greater meaning.

But to me I find it kinda peaceful knowing at the end there is nothing left to worry or think about. Just like before I was born, everything will go on without me. No more pain no more anguish I won't feel or think anything anymore. I will be in an endless sleep.

 

[ForeverCaHa]

Following the death of my partner, I just pray that after I CTB I'll wake up next to him, some vague memory of this life as a nightmare. I'd be okay with some 'spirit world reunion', but I so desperately want another shot at a life with him

 

[Praestat_Mori]

There's a few thought experiments about post-death consciousness that are compatible with materialism. I think it's a very fun subject to think about, but I'd be lying if I said I truly believe them in an emotional sense. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, as I think a cessation of being is far more benevolent than eternal being.

I have some own thoughts about it. The question is what makes certain combinations of atoms (molecules) conscious? If we assume that consciousness (the soul) is a kind of energy or it is a result of a yet undiscovered quantum field or whatever else is there that we haven't discovered or probably may never discover then "the soul" leaves the body in the process of dying.

I don't think that even in this case there would be post-consciousness or anything the like.

Ultimately, we'll never know it bc nobody ever who crossed the line returned "from the other side". Death is final and everything will be recycled.

 

[wiggy]

I have some own thoughts about it. The question is what makes certain combinations of atoms (molecules) conscious? If we assume that consciousness (the soul) is a kind of energy or it is a result of a yet undiscovered quantum field or whatever else is there that we haven't discovered or probably may never discover then "the soul" leaves the body in the process of dying.

I don't think that even in this case there would be post-consciousness or anything the like.

Ultimately, we'll never know it bc nobody ever who crossed the line returned "from the other side". Death is final and everything will be recycled.

From a strictly materialist perspective, I don't think how we abstract it is liable to change the situation. When you refer to the soul leaving the body that would necessitate one of two things. One possibility is a material phenomenon which is yet unknown to us that contributes or is wholly responsible to the emergence of consciousness, but all that does is move the material cause of consciounsess up from "The Brain" to "The Brain + unknown physical thing"(or just "unknown physical thing", eliminating the brain altogether), which doesn't change really change matters. The other possibility is the idea that consciousness has an essence in and of itself, which seems to be hinted at when you talk about the soul leaving the body, but at that point we would no longer be under the scope of materialism.

 

[Darkover]

all aspects of consciousness arise solely from interactions among neurons in the brain when you die so does your consciousness

 

[lamy's sacred sleep]

sure hope so.

 

[Rymrgand]

I believe it's the end, yes. We are animals, once our body is dead, we will disappear. I won't try to convince anyone here, especially if they are using it to cope about the death of a loved one or your own, but there's really no reason to believe in souls or afterlife.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I hope it's the end. All of the alternatives seem deeply problematic to me. Is it so weird though really? Was it weird not to be born? That was just nothing also. No awareness to feel scared or bored or anything at all.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I believe it's the end, yes. We are animals, once our body is dead, we will disappear. I won't try to convince anyone here, especially if they are using it to cope about the death of a loved one or your own, but there's really no reason to believe in souls or afterlife.

I agree. there is not a single piece of evidence for any soul afterlife nor reincarnation

Plus it doesn't make sense considering that everything needs a constant power source . Where is the power source for a soul?

Already Ai is much smarter than a dumb human/ ape / mouse/lizard brain. I just made a web app with ai in a few minutes. It would take a beginner programmer human a week to code that.I can tell the ai change this and it understands and can code much faster and better In seconds. Ai will surpass the dumb human / ape brain in every sense soon consciousness too

 

[bananaolympus]

I believe there is something after death that we may not even comprehend, if is it nothingness i don't have a problem since i plan to ctb when the suffering becomes unbearable, and that would make life curious and interesting

 

[seaquake]

I think there is nothing after that. It is a primitive state of non-consciousness that takes us back to what we were before we were born.