Discussion Is there a suicide reason that you consider dumb or invalid?

[GlassMoon]

I have issues with people the ctb while they have young children. You put kids in this terrible reality and then you abandon them leaving them to the wolves of this cruel world. If you willingly chose to have kids please at the very least ensure that they will somehow be in a good situation after you ctb, its the fault of the parent that they exist to begin with. . At least wait until they are old enough to fend for themselves.

Speaking from a parents' perspective, when I was at rock bottom: Besides everything else that led to me being in that state, I had the feeling that I was a bad parent, unable to provide the emotional and material support that my children needed. The idea that the government might notice and take my children away from me started to emerge and comfort me, because I was hoping they'd be in a better place, with someone who can care better for them than me, even without me CTBing. As to my understanding on how CTB thoughts emerge, they can provide an idea that allows you to find calm and rest when all other options fail, and those thoughts about the government taking care of my children was basically the same. So I guess when there are no other reasons why somebody else would take care of your children, the idea of creation a reason by CTBing is understandable to me now.

I still get tears in my eyes when I remember those moments, but understanding how these thoughts came to be helps me deal a bit better with the pain and the associated shame. I think those thoughts did not come because I wanted to neglect them, but because I wanted them to have a better life than I could provide.

Another thing about children is that one can underestimate their effect on one's life before having them, like strain on relationships, job security and sleep deprivation, which can exacerbate or cause depressive symptoms, and finally generate intrusive CTB thoughts.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I have read about people who killed themselves because their soccer team lost.

 

[UnbelievableJelly]

Personally I do not think there is such a thing as an invalid reason to want to commit suicide.

If I am dragged to a party, I should not be required to have a particular reason to want to leave.

Similarly, none ever wished for life in the first place, so none should be required to have a reason to want not to keep living or shamed for not wanting to do so.

 

[Warlord's Pulse]

Ok, finally read everything, most of you reached a consensus that "no, there's not such a thing"

But I have my remarks: I really agree that CTB while having kids should be avoided, but that's not exactly a motive to CTB (unless the person want to CTB because of their kids, that would be nuts); and I really liked that some of you stated that "even no motive at all is valid", yeah I already met a person like this, I just don't like to live so I'll be better dead

Nowadays, I'm personally just hanging around to see the "what if's" that Forever Sleep mentioned

 

[ringo99]

Politicians. I was smh in disbelief when I saw people posting that they were suicidal after hearing Trump won. There are countries where you could end up in the equivalent of a medieval dungeon for the most minor of crimes, where your families could be tortured in front of you to extract confessions. In my country you could be sent to prison for simply sharing a controversial tweet or eating the wrong type of meat. Hell if I posted I'm going to ctb tomorrow here on SaSu and if the police got a hold of it somehow, I'll be arrested since suicide is still a crime! Yet somehow Trump is the devil incarnate who'll usher in the apocalypse . No politician is worth ctbing over

 

[ThatRussianDude]

When you want to buy a new car simply because the ashtray in your current car is full.

 

[Surai]

I don't think there is any reason invalid life seems to welcome death

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Sometimes people do dumb things because their emotions got so heated that they can't think straight. Suicide is no exception. I wouldn't say the person is dumb, but they might make dumb decisions due to impaired mental functioning.

An example might be something like a student who feels out of place at college. Leaving home and not finding new friends and a community makes them feel alienated, and when the alienation feels particularly intense they become suicidal. The problem with suicide in this case is that the underlying issues can change. You might make friends and join groups at this school, or transfer somewhere else. It would be extremely unfortunate to kill yourself when success was just around the corner.

This example isn't just hypothetical, it was my personal experience as a college freshman. I was ready to jump in front of a train because I felt lonely and had been rejected by a couple of girls. Things quickly changed though when I made friends with a neighbor, then I met a girl who became my wife, then I met a ton of people through her job at the linguistics institute. That ended up being one of the most successful and happiest times of my life, and it's unbelievable to think that I was planning to kill myself right before everything took off for me. I wasn't a dumb kid by any measure, but commiting suicide at that moment sure would have been incredibly dumb decision.

 

[hereornot]

Regardless of the reason, if the person wants to end their life, that's their problem.

There are people who are alive, enduring what many would never be able to. Others for minor reasons, or perhaps even banal ones.

If the desire is to end your own life, this should not be questioned.

 

[Forveleth]

I agree with @ShatteredSerenity . A heightened emotional state leads people to jump to the most drastic solution when it is not necessary because they are unable to objectively evaluate their situation.

As suicide is such a finite event, I think it needs to be carefully considered and not be a gut-reaction to the current situation. I do not think the reason for suicide is dumb or invalid so long as it has been thought about.

 

[brokeandbroken]

As title says, do you personally believe that there's a suicide reason too dumb, invalid or even crazy? Or do you just respect them all?

To be honest when people have others who care about them. I know what it's like to be depressed and suicidal. But I have absolutely no clue what it is like to be depressed and have people give a fuck.

 

[outrider567]

I don't believe there is ever a 'dumb' reason, but I do question anybody that CTB's as a teenager

 

[alivebutnotliving]

Personally I do not think this. Suicide is one of the most complex topics out there, what may seem invalid to others may be someone else's whole world. If it causes pain and suffering, people want out.

 

[borderlinee]

No, at the end of the day it's their life and their choice.

 

[Johnzaga23]

no I don't invalidate the feelings of others. If you've come to the point that you have the courage to CBT, then your suffer is immeasurable.

 

[tiredash]

i have seen some people saying they are suicidal for temporary stuff and i just dont get it. the most obvious case was a girl that was 17 yo and couldnt stand her abusive father but in 3 months would be of age and had even friends that were going to support her. not like broke friends that cant do anything, but a grown un woman that would take care of her at her home and a guy that she said he thought of her as her little sister (i mean, no sex involved and shit), so she could even choose.

i just couldnt take her suicide threats seriously... and she didnt even have depression, which actually was astonishing for how her father and how they treated at school, both fucking teachers and other students.

this is the most obvious case, but i have seen others. as i said, temporary stuff. it makes no sense to apply a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

[foreverlanguish]

I believe no such reason to CTB is invalid. If you are sure you want to die, that is your decision alone to make. It just feels so wrong imo to judge someone's reason to killing themselves, as whatever the reason may be could be really significant for them. I can understand not encouraging impulsivity though. In this crazy world, nothing seems too outlandish that you shouldn't CTB over it.

 

[zulcywulcy]

As title says, do you personally believe that there's a suicide reason too dumb, invalid or even crazy? Or do you just respect them all?

if they believe its valid, its valid.

 

[hollywhite13]

Im glad i gave you something interesting to read and to think about, of course i know that what i feel its now what everyone should feel and being angry with a parent because of something like this is valid, but in my case even though sometimes i feel she didn't love me enough to stay with me, and sometimes i feel her love for me its just something fabricated in my head and that if she actually had the chance to see me again she would hate me, I still, in a deep part of my heart, know that she was not happy living like that, and the last thing she said was: please let me see my child one last time. I know that must've been extremely hard for her, i know she couldn't think of a better life in that moment and that lead her to choose ctb, but I dont blame her, she died at 42 and she had been abused all of her life, just like me, I'm 18 and all i can think about sometimes is that i desperately want to end it all just like her, I had multiple failed attempts and i had people i loved, rn im just trying to stay alive and I started something like a gofundme and selling commissions because i have a cat and he gives me a reason and the strength to keep trying to escape from here
I know that my mom tried to stay with me all she could, just like Im trying to stay with my cat

I know she loved me and she didn't want any of this to happen, the years of abuse and mental illness was too strong for her, I just hope she found her peace

Thank you so much for your kindness <3 I like to think that if she was still with me things would have been so much better, regardless of that, I think I would still support people having a choice in living or dying how they want

Stay for your cat and try and get some other accommodation for yourself - local council

 

[CatLvr]

Absolutely not. Who am I to judge someone else's breaking point?? Now ... Would I talk to them to see if they had really thought things through and were not being impulsive and/or going to use a method that would likely just fuck them up worse? Certainly. But at the end of the day we are all entitled to choose our own path.

Politicians. I was smh in disbelief when I saw people posting that they were suicidal after hearing Trump won. There are countries where you could end up in the equivalent of a medieval dungeon for the most minor of crimes, where your families could be tortured in front of you to extract confessions. In my country you could be sent to prison for simply sharing a controversial tweet or eating the wrong type of meat. Hell if I posted I'm going to ctb tomorrow here on SaSu and if the police got a hold of it somehow, I'll be arrested since suicide is still a crime! Yet somehow Trump is the devil incarnate who'll usher in the apocalypse . No politician is worth ctbing over

I am reminded just how lucky I am to be living where I do. Comments like yours sometimes make me feel a bit foolish for wanting to leave this realm a bit early. When I was in college I dated a Muslim exchange student. He very nearly convinced me to marry him and go back home with him, but like in the Bible, there were things in the Quoran I could not wrap my mind around so I opted to stay here (USA). Imagine my surprise when a month after 9/11 he called me and said he and the wife his parents had chosen for him (all who surprised him at the airport to pick him up after he graduated and went back home) were here in the States. I have absolutely no doubt I would have disappeared from the face of the earth had I married him and surprised his folks and fiance. What a fucked up world, huh?

 

[social amoeba]

no but if there was it would almost definitely be mine

 

[Mirrory Me]

Someone else telling you to do it.