Isnt a 1000ppm CO detector technically all you need?

[heyismeman]

Obviously most people that do the charcoal method are not measuring amounts. So in theory if I want to be in the safe side isn't a 30 dollar detector enough. If after putting the charcoal in the car in 5 minutes it hits 1000ppm, that means it worked right? I understand you would want more to be exact but obviously if it hit 1000 in minutes, it's gonna keep climbing, the information of exact amount isn't required. 1600ppm means death in 2 hours and likely if 5 min got it to 1000 in 30 minutes or so it'll be well beyond that 1600 level and you'll be out like a light before that even happens. So why do some instead buy 10000 600 dollar detectors?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

No, not really. Sure, 1000 ppm will kill you, but it will take time. Most people, or, at least, the ones who find SaSu and learn about the method, would much prefer to have a peaceful ctb. I guess that means different things to different people, but to me it means going unconscious quickly, so that I don't have to consciously "experience" any of the "death effects" that will take place leading to my end. In order to go unconscious quickly, it is reported in the PPH, here on SaSu, and even in various Internet searches that one needs to achieve a CO level of 10,000 ppm, or higher. A level that high is reported to bring about unconsciousness within several breaths. The only thing a 1000 ppm "meter" will tell you is that you have, at least, 1000 ppm concentration. For all you would know, you may only have 1001 ppm, not enough to render unconsciousness quickly, so you would probably have to endure for some time all the negative effects of the CO, including nausea, possibly vomiting, burning eyes and nasal passageways, and whatever else CO exposure brings, up until you go unconscious anyway, which may take a while at 1000 ppm.

 

[heyismeman]

Ye

No, not really. Sure, 1000 ppm will kill you, but it will take time. Most people, or, at least, the ones who find SaSu and learn about the method, would much prefer to have a peaceful ctb. I guess that means different things to different people, but to me it means going unconscious quickly, so that I don't have to consciously "experience" any of the "death effects" that will take place leading to my end. In order to go unconscious quickly, it is reported in the PPH, here on SaSu, and even in various Internet searches that one needs to achieve a CO level of 10,000 ppm, or higher. A level that high is reported to bring about unconsciousness within several breaths. The only thing a 1000 ppm "meter" will tell you is that you have, at least, 1000 ppm concentration. For all you would know, you may only have 1001 ppm, not enough to render unconsciousness quickly, so you would probably have to endure for some time all the negative effects of the CO, including nausea, possibly vomiting, burning eyes and nasal passageways, and whatever else CO exposure brings, up until you go unconscious anyway, which may take a while at 1000 ppm.

yes I understand this but the time frame that I mentioned is also a factor. If in 5 minutes timed the meter maxes out to 1000, it's for sure gonna keep going up, it wouldn't make sense it hits that number then hovers around it for hours am I wrong?

No, not really. Sure, 1000 ppm will kill you, but it will take time. Most people, or, at least, the ones who find SaSu and learn about the method, would much prefer to have a peaceful ctb. I guess that means different things to different people, but to me it means going unconscious quickly, so that I don't have to consciously "experience" any of the "death effects" that will take place leading to my end. In order to go unconscious quickly, it is reported in the PPH, here on SaSu, and even in various Internet searches that one needs to achieve a CO level of 10,000 ppm, or higher. A level that high is reported to bring about unconsciousness within several breaths. The only thing a 1000 ppm "meter" will tell you is that you have, at least, 1000 ppm concentration. For all you would know, you may only have 1001 ppm, not enough to render unconsciousness quickly, so you would probably have to endure for some time all the negative effects of the CO, including nausea, possibly vomiting, burning eyes and nasal passageways, and whatever else CO exposure brings, up until you go unconscious anyway, which may take a while at 1000 ppm.

And for me unconsciousness will come from benzos right, I plan on taking about 150mg with vodka 5 minutes before entering the car. I would also think that a huge hit of CO would also be more uncomfortable as opposed to slowly reaching unconsciousness, wouldn't a huge hit cause your body to freak out

 

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If in 5 minutes timed the meter maxes out to 1000, it's for sure gonna keep going up,

That's not a for certain. You can't possibly know what the "top out" of CO will be, since there are too many factors that could come into play such as leakage, amount of charcoal, etc.

And for me unconsciousness will come from benzos right, I plan on taking about 150mg with vodka 5 minutes before entering the car. I would also think that a huge hit of CO would also be more uncomfortable as opposed to slowly reaching unconsciousness, wouldn't a huge hit cause your body to freak out

Idk. Will benzos knock you out that quickly? Will your anxiety of the moment (adrenalin) influence how quickly they work? CO is colorless and ODORLESS. I don't think within a few seconds a body is going to have time for a "freak out" from being hit with high level CO. I'd assume right from the first breath, it would start acting to bring about unconsciousness.

 

[heyismeman]

That's not a for certain. You can't possibly know what the "top out" of CO will be, since there are too many factors that could come into play such as leakage, amount of charcoal, etc.


Idk. Will benzos knock you out that quickly? Will your anxiety of the moment (adrenalin) influence how quickly they work? CO is colorless and ODORLESS. I don't think within a few seconds a body is going to have time for a "freak out" from being hit with high level CO. I'd assume right from the first breath, it would start acting to bring about unconsciousness.

gotcha makes sense. I wanted to ask you a question, from your research how bad are the symptoms before unconsciousness occurs? From what I've gathered with charcoal you're gonna get 2600-6000ppm in a car without going super overboard with the charcoal. So how intense do you expect the symptoms to be, assuming you don't hit like a 12600 level

That's not a for certain. You can't possibly know what the "top out" of CO will be, since there are too many factors that could come into play such as leakage, amount of charcoal, etc.


Idk. Will benzos knock you out that quickly? Will your anxiety of the moment (adrenalin) influence how quickly they work? CO is colorless and ODORLESS. I don't think within a few seconds a body is going to have time for a "freak out" from being hit with high level CO. I'd assume right from the first breath, it would start acting to bring about unconsciousness.

From all the research I've gathered, in order to truly make it peaceful, it would likely be smarter to place charcoal in car, immediately jump in and take a humongous amount of medications to induce unconsciousness, it's weird to me how at levels like 5000 you're conscious for up to 30 minutes or longer, but then when you jump into 10000ppm 2 breaths you pass out and die minutes after. Things don't usually work like that if it makes sense, like the scalling of it seems to extreme

 

[locked*n*loaded]

gotcha makes sense. I wanted to ask you a question, from your research how bad are the symptoms before unconsciousness occurs? From what I've gathered with charcoal you're gonna get 2600-6000ppm in a car without going super overboard with the charcoal. So how intense do you expect the symptoms to be, assuming you don't hit like a 12600 level

Well, obviously going to depend on how quickly unconsciousness renders onto you. Here's a "guideline" I happened to save.

gotcha makes sense. I wanted to ask you a question, from your research how bad are the symptoms before unconsciousness occurs? From what I've gathered with charcoal you're gonna get 2600-6000ppm in a car without going super overboard with the charcoal. So how intense do you expect the symptoms to be, assuming you don't hit like a 12600 level

From all the research I've gathered, in order to truly make it peaceful, it would likely be smarter to place charcoal in car, immediately jump in and take a humongous amount of medications to induce unconsciousness, it's weird to me how at levels like 5000 you're conscious for up to 30 minutes or longer, but then when you jump into 10000ppm 2 breaths you pass out and die minutes after. Things don't usually work like that if it makes sense, like the scalling of it seems to extreme

From all the research I did, it's best to put the red-hot charcoals in the tent (car) and let the CO level build-up for a good 20 to 30 minutes.

I hear you on the wide disparity between maybe a level of 5000ppm and that of 10000ppm as far as when unconsciousness "might" occur and how long until death afterwards. Like you, I'm only able to go off what I read, corroborate what I can, and hope what I read is, at least, reasonably accurate. What it really boils down to is that effects from varying CO concentrations is not linear - in other words, as concentration goes up, effects become more pronounced, not a straight line corrolation.

 

[heyismeman]

Well, obviously going to depend on how quickly unconsciousness renders onto you. Here's a "guideline" I happened to save.

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From all the research I did, it's best to put the red-hot charcoals in the tent (car) and let the CO level build-up for a good 20 to 30 minutes.

I hear you on the wide disparity between maybe a level of 5000ppm and that of 10000ppm as far as when unconsciousness "might" occur and how long until death afterwards. Like you, I'm only able to go off what I read, corroborate what I can, and hope what I read is, at least, reasonably accurate. What it really boils down to is that effects from varying CO concentrations is not linear - in other words, as concentration goes up, effects become more pronounced, not a straight line corrolation.

I sure hope unconsciousness occurs before the convulsions etc etc begin, it doesn't seem to me that it's a complete guarantee that you will pass out before serious side effects begin. Obviously it's death you're talking about you can't expect it to be 100% pleasant. Do you believe from research you pass out before it gets serious?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Do you believe from research you pass out before it gets serious?

If you get the level to 10000 ppm, or more, that's what I'm banking on. That's why I just bit the bullet and bought a 10000 ppm CO analyzer. I'm not crawling into any tent unless/until the analyzer is topped-out.

 

[heyismeman]

If you get the level to 10000 ppm, or more, that's what I'm banking on. That's why I just bit the bullet and bought a 10000 ppm CO analyzer. I'm not crawling into any tent unless/until the analyzer is topped-out.

I'll do 3 chimney starters, hop right as it hits 1000ppm and take a hilarious amount of drugs. In heaven or hell we can compare and contrast

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Yeah, if it turns out we'd be able to converse after. Anyway, you know, the one thing neither of us mentioned is "heat". Whether in a car or tent, those red-hot burning charcoals are going to throw off an enormous amount of heat. If this is done in the summer with temps in the 80s or 90s (F), it could get mighty uncomfortable having to hang around for too long just waiting..... I mean it would just add another potential "uncomfortableness" to the whole situation. I think CO is more of a cold weather -type method myself. I plan on doing it in the Winter sometime whenever I get to doing it. Maybe I'm just "soft", but idc.

 

[77redbike]

I'll do 3 chimney starters, hop right as it hits 1000ppm and take a hilarious amount of drugs. In heaven or hell we can compare and contrast

Could you say where you purchased the meter?

 

[heyismeman]

Yeah, if it turns out we'd be able to converse after. Anyway, you know, the one thing neither of us mentioned is "heat". Whether in a car or tent, those red-hot burning charcoals are going to throw off an enormous amount of heat. If this is done in the summer with temps in the 80s or 90s (F), it could get mighty uncomfortable having to hang around for too long just waiting..... I mean it would just add another potential "uncomfortableness" to the whole situation. I think CO is more of a cold weather -type method myself. I plan on doing it in the Winter sometime whenever I get to doing it. Maybe I'm just "soft", but idc.

Yea I was thinking that also, the heat can't be fun. Especially being I'm planning on using 3 large chimney starters. But the way I see it, you can't be too picky about something like dying man. I admit it, I don't have the balls for hanging, jumping, even SN but in theory CO is more peaceful, if the worst is heat and a headache/dizziness it'll do.

Yeah, if it turns out we'd be able to converse after. Anyway, you know, the one thing neither of us mentioned is "heat". Whether in a car or tent, those red-hot burning charcoals are going to throw off an enormous amount of heat. If this is done in the summer with temps in the 80s or 90s (F), it could get mighty uncomfortable having to hang around for too long just waiting..... I mean it would just add another potential "uncomfortableness" to the whole situation. I think CO is more of a cold weather -type method myself. I plan on doing it in the Winter sometime whenever I get to doing it. Maybe I'm just "soft", but idc.

I often wonder about what you said, will benzos knock someone out who knows damn well they're about to die. I'd assume yea but it sure as hell won't be as easy as just going to sleep. I always see people here saying "I won't sleep all night so when I take the SN I'll be able to lay down and sleep" and they say this without taking drugs, like dude no fuckin way are you just gonna take a nap right before dying

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Yea I was thinking that also, the heat can't be fun. Especially being I'm planning on using 3 large chimney starters. But the way I see it, you can't be too picky about something like dying man. I admit it, I don't have the balls for hanging, jumping, even SN but in theory CO is more peaceful, if the worst is heat and a headache/dizziness it'll do.

I hear you. I bought 3 starters and may buy another 1, maybe even 2. A few seconds of 120⁰ heat I can probably handle, but if for some reason it stretches to a minute or two, I don't think I'd like that. I'll already be stressing, don't need to add more. I'll just wait for colder temps and make it easier. I'm nowhere near ready, anyway. Have stuff to finish up.

 

[heyismeman]

I hear you. I bought 3 starters and may buy another 1, maybe even 2. A few seconds of 120⁰ heat I can probably handle, but if for some reason it stretches to a minute or two, I don't think I'd like that. I'll already be stressing, don't need to add more. I'll just wait for colder temps and make it easier. I'm nowhere near ready, anyway. Have stuff to finish up.

Yea I guess personally the heat would suck, 120 I think I can handle it guess, anything over that then no. I wish there was like a gas you inhale that instantly causes unconsciousness for min 30 min kinda deal. That was accessible too obv

 

[SomewhatLoved]

According to PPeH, 800ppm will get you death in 2-3 hours, 1600ppm gets you death in 1 hour.

You want to consider the concentration, but also relativity. What I would do is put the meter in the tent/car at the same time as the coals. If it slowly crawls up to 1000ppm, it probably won't get much higher or will take a long time to. If it speeds up and quickly tops out, I would venture to guess it will exceed the measurable range consistently. I would probably only go through with it in the latter case.

As someone else said - most people on SaSu are seeking a peaceful death and are less comfortable with pain. Otherwise most of us probably would have gone by hanging or something by now. Death is possible even if the meter never exceeds 1000ppm, but it would be more drawn out and probably less comfortable.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Yea I guess personally the heat would suck, 120 I think I can handle it guess, anything over that then no. I wish there was like a gas you inhale that instantly causes unconsciousness for min 30 min kinda deal. That was accessible too obv

Yeah, I don't know what that would be. Not a gas but Chloroform?

 

[heyismeman]

Yeah, I don't know what that would be. Not a gas but Chloroform?

chloroform wakes you up pretty quickly tho man like seconds to couple minutes it's not like the movies. What Is actually a good knockout gas is If you don't have opioid tolerance, is you get some quality fent and you do a big hit from a rig yea you'll pass the fuck out in seconds for a couple hours too. But then the issue that it significantly lowers your breathing rate might be an issue with CO.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

chloroform wakes you up pretty quickly tho man like seconds to couple minutes it's not like the movies. What I actually a good knockout gas is If you don't have opioid tolerance, if you have some quality fent and you smoke a big hit from a rig yea you'll pass the fuck out in seconds for a couple hours too. But then the issue that it significantly lowers your breathing rate might be an issue with CO.

I've read it will keep you unconscious if you maintain the chloroform by keeping the delivery medium sufficiently saturated. Perhaps some type of "wick" or "drip" mechsnism could be devised.

 

[heyismeman]

I've read it will keep you unconscious if you maintain the chloroform by keeping the delivery medium sufficiently saturated. Perhaps some type of "wick" or "drip" mechsnism could be devised.

Maybe then I suppose, another method I think about often is this, I know it sounds fuckin insane, but something to knockout like fent chloroform benzos etc and 2 pressure cooker bombs left and right side of your head, you could even build a little a little cement bag sarcophagus.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Maybe then I suppose, another method I think about often is this, I know it sounds fuckin insane, but something to knockout like fent chloroform benzos etc and 2 pressure cooker bombs left and right side of your head, you could even build a little a little cement bag sarcophagus.

I'll agree. That does sound crazy.

 

[heyismeman]

I'll agree. That does sound crazy.

Yea CO is probably gonna be my method of choice. I'll do it pretty simply, seal up car best I can with tape, very new car 2021 so it should be ideally pretty tight but I'll make sure I get 95% taped up. 3 large chimney starters, 45min to one hour, place them in, take huge benzo dose and measure. If 1000ppm is reached within 5 min or less, I'll hop in. Probably will do this end if next month. Prob on 15th. I'd buy a 10000 meter but it's just too expensive man. I understand the idea of reaching 10000ppm first but that would take testing and I really only have 1 shot at this