Near Success! Cheap, Fast. (Baking Soda + Citric Acid)

[Sophie123]

Just tried baking soda and citric acid in a plastic bag. It nearly worked. I purposely lowered the concentration because it was more a trial , not day of. It nearly worked. Since my CO2 concentration was too low, it was obviously not instantaneous and pretty physically distressing, but in a few more seconds, I would have lost consciousness. I could already feel myself starting to blackout. If you increase the concentration , should be pretty instantaneous. And if it isn't , you can always take the bag off.

Materials:
40 Liter Trash bag
Large ziplock bag
Rubber Band
Citric Acid
Baking Soda
Water

Mixing:
Depending on the size of your bag, mix enough baking soda, citric acid in the ziplock. Use the largest possible ziplock in the smallest possible trash bag. Leave it mostly closed, just have a small opening. Pour water in and quickly close the bag. Wait for it to expand. Experiment a few times to make sure you get the maximum expansion while making sure it doesn't burst/pop.

Setting up bag:
Put the ziplock in the trash bag , with the zip side facing up. Sit down, and put the bag over your head. Not completely above your head, more like the bag is hanging down so the ziplock is below your face. Use the elastic rubber band to secure the bag around your neck.

Final:
Open the ziplock. CO2 will quickly fill the space.

I have seen other threads about this where people say it will not work, but that is not true. Even if you are scared of the pain, keep scissors in your hand. In case the concentration is not enough and it takes too long, you can cut it off.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

This sounds like a good way to seriously cause damage, IMO.

 

[Sophie123]

This sounds like a good way to seriously cause damage, IMO.

I can see why you would think that, but damage won't be caused until a few minutes in. So if you were to feel pain you can undo it scot free :)

 

[Intoxicated]

Mixing:
Depending on the size of your bag, mix enough baking soda, citric acid in the ziplock. Use the largest possible ziplock in the smallest possible trash bag. Leave it mostly closed, just have a small opening. Pour water in and quickly close the bag. Wait for it to expand. Experiment a few times to make sure you get the maximum expansion while making sure it doesn't burst/pop.

Setting up bag:
Put the ziplock in the trash bag , with the zip side facing up. Sit down, and put the bag over your head. Not completely above your head, more like the bag is hanging down so the ziplock is below your face. Use the elastic rubber band to secure the bag around your neck.

Final:
Open the ziplock. CO2 will quickly fill the space.

I'd do it differently: instead of using a ziplock bag I'd make the reaction going inside a 1 - 2 L plastic bottle and attach the opening end of a trash bag to the bottleneck. When the bag is filled enough, it can be carefully detached from the bottleneck and then put over the head and secured around the neck with an elastic rubber or insulation tape. With this method, I'd be sure that the bag won't blow up due to excessive pressure that could occur from CO2 produced in the continued reaction and my head won't contact with froth.

Can you describe any advantages of your technique?

 

[Shrooms]

Just tried baking soda and citric acid in a plastic bag. It nearly worked. I purposely lowered the concentration because it was more a trial , not day of. It nearly worked. Since my CO2 concentration was too low, it was obviously not instantaneous and pretty physically distressing, but in a few more seconds, I would have lost consciousness. I could already feel myself starting to blackout. If you increase the concentration , should be pretty instantaneous. And if it isn't , you can always take the bag off.

Materials:
40 Liter Trash bag
Large ziplock bag
Rubber Band
Citric Acid
Baking Soda
Water

Mixing:
Depending on the size of your bag, mix enough baking soda, citric acid in the ziplock. Use the largest possible ziplock in the smallest possible trash bag. Leave it mostly closed, just have a small opening. Pour water in and quickly close the bag. Wait for it to expand. Experiment a few times to make sure you get the maximum expansion while making sure it doesn't burst/pop.

Setting up bag:
Put the ziplock in the trash bag , with the zip side facing up. Sit down, and put the bag over your head. Not completely above your head, more like the bag is hanging down so the ziplock is below your face. Use the elastic rubber band to secure the bag around your neck.

Final:
Open the ziplock. CO2 will quickly fill the space.

I have seen other threads about this where people say it will not work, but that is not true. Even if you are scared of the pain, keep scissors in your hand. In case the concentration is not enough and it takes too long, you can cut it off.

I don't mind this idea but there's just too much to it, the partial hanging is a similar and much more to the point than this. I don't think it's bad just scary in your last moments if you're claustrophobic.

 

[Sophie123]

I'd do it differently: instead of using a ziplock bag I'd make the reaction going inside a 1 - 2 L plastic bottle and attach the opening end of a trash bag to the bottleneck. When the bag is filled enough, it can be carefully detached from the bottleneck and then put over the head and secured around the neck with an elastic rubber or insulation tape. With this method, I'd be sure that the bag won't blow up due to excessive pressure that could occur from CO2 produced in the continued reaction and my head won't contact with froth.

Can you describe any advantages of your technique?

Ohhh I didn't think of doing it like that. I just figured it would be a lot easier to use a ziplock since you wouldn't have to be as careful about the CO2 not leaking. The only advantage I can think of is opening a ziplock is really quick so less time to back out? Also , you don't have to worry about exploding. In a large ziplock, even when I used waaay too much of the chemicals, it didn't "explode. " The zip just popped and the air leaked out.

I don't mind this idea but there's just too much to it, the partial hanging is a similar and much more to the point than this. I don't think it's bad just scary in your last moments if you're claustrophobic.

I tried partial hanging so many times! It didn't work for me! I know you have to hit the carotid artery but I couldn't do it.

 

[Intoxicated]

Ohhh I didn't think of doing it like that. I just figured it would be a lot easier to use a ziplock since you wouldn't have to be as careful about the CO2 not leaking. The only advantage I can think of is opening a ziplock is really quick so less time to back out? Also , you don't have to worry about exploding. In a large ziplock, even when I used waaay too much of the chemicals, it didn't "explode. " The zip just popped and the air leaked out.

I probably didn't get the idea right. You mentioned two bags, and according to my reading, the inner bag with a zip is supposed to be used as the reaction chamber for making CO2 and the outer bag (without zip) is supposed to hold CO2 atmosphere around the head. If you seal the outer bag tightly, the gas won't be able to escape.

 

[Sophie123]

I probably didn't get the idea right. You mentioned two bags, and according to my reading, the inner bag with a zip is supposed to be used as the reaction chamber for making CO2 and the outer bag (without zip) is supposed to hold CO2 atmosphere around the head. If you seal the outer bag tightly, the gas won't be able to escape.

I tried this method a few days ago and it nearly worked. It did give me a similair idea though, however, there are no studies for that. Lemme know what you think. Posting it now hehehe.

 

[undynee]

can someone please explain this to me way simpler? I do not understand at all what to do or how to do this

 

[Intoxicated]

I tried this method a few days ago and it nearly worked. It did give me a similair idea though, however, there are no studies for that. Lemme know what you think. Posting it now hehehe.

CO2 & plastic bag surely can be used for CTB, but I'm not sure if your particular technique would be optimal. Here's some info about CO2 you could find useful

Spoiler

Suicide by plastic bag suffocation combined with the mixture of citric acid and baking soda in an adolescent
When CO2 is more hazardous than H2S

 

[Sophie123]

can someone please explain this to me way simpler? I do not understand at all what to do or how to do this

you make the reaction in ziplock and wait for bag to expand with CO2. You need a lot, so use the biggest possible ziplock, or use multiple. put he ziplock in a garbage bag, put ur head inside, and tie the garbage bag around ur neck. open the ziplock bag.

CO2 & plastic bag surely can be used for CTB, but I'm not sure if your particular technique would be optimal. Here's some info about CO2 you could find useful

Spoiler

Suicide by plastic bag suffocation combined with the mixture of citric acid and baking soda in an adolescent
When CO2 is more hazardous than H2S

Thank you! I did read those two articles. However, I found it too difficult to pour from a bottle while having my head in the garbage bag. Found it personally easier to pre-make the reaction and have it ready, so its just a pull on the rubber band and open.

 

[Shrooms]

I tried partial hanging so many times! It didn't work for me! I know you have to hit the carotid artery but I couldn't do it.

Oh ok, well I would look into just trying with your fingers at first. Because the "night-night" method is a 1-1 just different way of cutting of the blood. So use your fingers to fall asleep first/pass out then just do the actual method.

 

[Sophie123]

Oh ok, well I would look into just trying with your fingers at first. Because the "night-night" method is a 1-1 just different way of cutting of the blood. So use your fingers to fall asleep first/pass out then just do the actual method.


TYSM for the help! I have tried with fingers, just cant find the right spot no matter how much I look at diagrams or videos. How were u able to find it?

 

[CantDoIt]

Is there anything actually wrong about this method? I am considering it.

 

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Spero che tu possa trovare la pace che stai cercando
e avere una terapia cognitivo-comportamentale indolore

 

[Sophie123]

Is there anything actually wrong about this method? I am considering it.

Hey, sorry for the late reply. Can't think of anything too wrong...

Only thing wrong I can think of: Yeah, I mean it is suppossed to be instant, I think i did not have a large enough ziplock so it was pretty panic inducing and like painful in the sense that your chests fill up, and it burns, and the smell is awful.

But even then its like 15 seconds tops. Within 5-7 seconds (I was counting), I started having heavy palpitations, then vision started blacking out and flashing sort of. When I took it off I was so dizzy I collapsed on the floor. All under 10 seconds. So definitely if I had tied the bag with rope or something that I couldn't remove, it would have worked.

And I would reccomend it cuz either its instant and it works. Even if you don't have enough CO2 and its not instant, you can take the bag off whenever you want, like I did. No risk of brain damage or anything like that.

Spero che tu possa trovare la pace che stai cercando
e avere una terapia cognitivo-comportamentale indolore

I ca

 

[maniac116]

Way too noxious & distressing. The rise in C02 will cause involuntary gasping for air & in distress, SI kicking in.
Too much to go wrong. Too high a chance of winding up hospitalized & physically or mentally debilitated & further suffering

 

[CantDoIt]

Hey, sorry for the late reply. Can't think of anything too wrong...

Only thing wrong I can think of: Yeah, I mean it is suppossed to be instant, I think i did not have a large enough ziplock so it was pretty panic inducing and like painful in the sense that your chests fill up, and it burns, and the smell is awful.

But even then its like 15 seconds tops. Within 5-7 seconds (I was counting), I started having heavy palpitations, then vision started blacking out and flashing sort of. When I took it off I was so dizzy I collapsed on the floor. All under 10 seconds. So definitely if I had tied the bag with rope or something that I couldn't remove, it would have worked.

And I would reccomend it cuz either its instant and it works. Even if you don't have enough CO2 and its not instant, you can take the bag off whenever you want, like I did. No risk of brain damage or anything like that.

Thanks! I think I might try this method, enough CO2 should cause instant fainting and this sounds easier to source than the sulfuric and formic acid mix

 

[Sophie123]

Way too noxious & distressing. The rise in C02 will cause involuntary gasping for air & in distress, SI kicking in.
Too much to go wrong. Too high a chance of winding up hospitalized & physically or mentally debilitated & further suffering

Hell no love. No chance of hospitalization or anything like that. I've done it dozens of times. You would only be affected after minutes of breathing in the bag, which would only happen if you lost consciousness fast enough. In which case you would end up dead. Without intervention of course.

only three possible outcomes (without tying bag on):

1. Concentration of CO2 in bag is not high enough: You suffer for a few seconds, then give up and take the bag off and go about your day. (what I did)
2. Concentration of CO2 in bag is not high enough: You practice enough to hang in there despite the pain, and lose consciousness. (death)
3. Concentration of CO2 in bag is high enough: You instantly lose consciousness (death)

Thanks! I think I might try this method, enough CO2 should cause instant fainting and this sounds easier to source than the sulfuric and formic acid mix

Thanks! I think I might try this method, enough CO2 should cause instant fainting and this sounds easier to source than the sulfuric and formic acid mix

Yeah sure thing! Its much safer for family/pets/neighbors too.

Tips:
I would reccomend using a larger ziplock , maybe like 5 gallons? Because I tried the 2.5 gallon and it was a bit less CO2.

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And another important thing:

when you open the ziplock to release the CO2, HOLD YOUR BREATH. If you can do it, plug ur nose or use a clip or smth. Let the CO2 mix in with the air in the bag. THEN let yourself breathe.

 

[maniac116]

Hell no love. No chance of hospitalization or anything like that. I've done it dozens of times. You would only be affected after minutes of breathing in the bag, which would only happen if you lost consciousness fast enough. In which case you would end up dead. Without intervention of course.

only three possible outcomes (without tying bag on):

1. Concentration of CO2 in bag is not high enough: You suffer for a few seconds, then give up and take the bag off and go about your day. (what I did)
2. Concentration of CO2 in bag is not high enough: You practice enough to hang in there despite the pain, and lose consciousness. (death)
3. Concentration of CO2 in bag is high enough: You instantly lose consciousness (death)

Thanks! I think I might try this method, enough CO2 should cause instant fainting and this sounds easier to source than the sulfuric and formic acid mix


Yeah sure thing! Its much safer for family/pets/neighbors too.

Tips:
I would reccomend using a larger ziplock , maybe like 5 gallons? Because I tried the 2.5 gallon and it was a bit less CO2.

Amazon.com

And another important thing:

when you open the ziplock to release the CO2, HOLD YOUR BREATH. If you can do it, plug ur nose or use a clip or smth. Let the CO2 mix in with the air in the bag. THEN let yourself breathe.

I hope you are correct & I am wrong.
I hope that everything goes according to your plan & that peace & love find you

 

[Failed.Angel]

Maybe I will go with this one. Thank you

 

[lofistos345]

CO2 & plastic bag surely can be used for CTB, but I'm not sure if your particular technique would be optimal. Here's some info about CO2 you could find useful

Spoiler

Suicide by plastic bag suffocation combined with the mixture of citric acid and baking soda in an adolescent
When CO2 is more hazardous than H2S

this is a great and cheap method, i honestly don't want to die with a salty taste in my mouth
Can someone help with making the bag. I understood that you mix the baking soda and the citric acid, then wait for the bag to grow, after it grows, you put your head inside. Is that correct?

 

[AuroraB]

Just tried baking soda and citric acid in a plastic bag. It nearly worked. I purposely lowered the concentration because it was more a trial , not day of. It nearly worked. Since my CO2 concentration was too low, it was obviously not instantaneous and pretty physically distressing, but in a few more seconds, I would have lost consciousness. I could already feel myself starting to blackout. If you increase the concentration , should be pretty instantaneous. And if it isn't , you can always take the bag off.

Materials:
40 Liter Trash bag
Large ziplock bag
Rubber Band
Citric Acid
Baking Soda
Water

Mixing:
Depending on the size of your bag, mix enough baking soda, citric acid in the ziplock. Use the largest possible ziplock in the smallest possible trash bag. Leave it mostly closed, just have a small opening. Pour water in and quickly close the bag. Wait for it to expand. Experiment a few times to make sure you get the maximum expansion while making sure it doesn't burst/pop.

Setting up bag:
Put the ziplock in the trash bag , with the zip side facing up. Sit down, and put the bag over your head. Not completely above your head, more like the bag is hanging down so the ziplock is below your face. Use the elastic rubber band to secure the bag around your neck.

Final:
Open the ziplock. CO2 will quickly fill the space.

I have seen other threads about this where people say it will not work, but that is not true. Even if you are scared of the pain, keep scissors in your hand. In case the concentration is not enough and it takes too long, you can cut it off.

I just googled this "Baking Soda + Citric Acid" and google didn't say it's particularly dangerous/lethal. Curious where you found this info. Is it in the PP book?

 

[charaunderground]

I just googled this "Baking Soda + Citric Acid" and google didn't say it's particularly dangerous/lethal. Curious where you found this info. Is it in the PP book?

I've seen this referenced before. Someone died by doing this in a plastic bag. Source.

 

[Intoxicated]

I understood that you mix the baking soda and the citric acid, then wait for the bag to grow, after it grows, you put your head inside. Is that correct?

Yes. Depending on the size of the bag and the amount of reagents that allow a conveniently going reaction inside the chosen vessel, you may need additional portions of the reagents added from time to time to obtain the desirable volume of CO2. When the head is placed inside the bag, the bag should be sealed around the neck (for example, with electrical tape) in order to prevent atmospheric oxygen coming inside the bag.

 

[NegevChina]

Mixing:
Depending on the size of your bag, mix enough baking soda, citric acid in the ziplock. Use the largest possible ziplock in the smallest possible trash bag. Leave it mostly closed, just have a small opening. Pour water in and quickly close the bag. Wait for it to expand. Experiment a few times to make sure you get the maximum expansion while making sure it doesn't burst/pop.

Setting up bag:
Put the ziplock in the trash bag , with the zip side facing up. Sit down, and put the bag over your head. Not completely above your head, more like the bag is hanging down so the ziplock is below your face. Use the elastic rubber band to secure the bag around your neck.

Final:
Open the ziplock. CO2 will quickly fill the space.

Do you think that a home soda producing device can be used to fill the ziplock?
It s got a tank of pure CO2 gas consisting of plenty of CO2:

Spoiler: Gas Container

 

[Jessi76]

Mixing:
Depending on the size of your bag, mix enough baking soda, citric acid in the ziplock. Use the largest possible ziplock in the smallest possible trash bag. Leave it mostly closed, just have a small opening. Pour water in and quickly close the bag. Wait for it to expand. Experiment a few times to make sure you get the maximum expansion while making sure it doesn't burst/pop.

Hi,

This is a very interesting method that interests me a lot because there are no after-effects if the attempt is unsuccessful.
But in what proportion do I mix Citric Acid Baking soda and Water?
And how much do I need for a 40 liter garbage bag?

 

[Intoxicated]

because there are no after-effects if the attempt is unsuccessful.

Why do you think so?

 

[Jessi76]

only three possible outcomes (without tying bag on):

1. Concentration of CO2 in bag is not high enough: You suffer for a few seconds, then give up and take the bag off and go about your day. (what I did)
2. Concentration of CO2 in bag is not high enough: You practice enough to hang in there despite the pain, and lose consciousness. (death)
3. Concentration of CO2 in bag is high enough: You instantly lose consciousness (death)

Because of this

 

[idhayam]

Hi, this is the method that I am considering but I am unsure of the proportions of citric acid and baking soda to water ratio. Is the citric acid and baking soda advertised as 100% food grade on Amazon good enough for this?