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For hours tonight I have worked out a plan with chemists and research, I will use it tomorrow.

Potassium Chloride (KCI) is available in most countries, it's important to take the food grade powder one, 100% purity.
Then some bicarbonate soda is necessary like Dr Oetker one for baking, now it's important to differentiate because sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate are different.

Dissolving the powders in water:

Potassium Chloride KCI solubility in water is 34g/100ml, meaning 1g of KCI must be dissolved in 2.95ml of water or saline solution 0.9 NaCL. It takes 10-20 mins to dissolve without stirring.

Sodium bicarbonate solubility in water is 9.6g per 100ml of water, 1g of it dissolves in 10.41ml of water. It takes 10-15 minutes to dissolve without stirring.

Sodium carbonate (E500) solubility is 35g per 100ml of water so 1g must be dissolved in 2.85ml of water and it takes 20 minutez without stirring.

You can not dissolve those powder products in less water than they need. The concentration will be wrong and it puts you at risk of failure and severe damages.

Steps here according to 22g of KCI which is lethal when injected by intravenous cannula fastly:

1. Mix 22g of KCI (potassium powder) into 65ml of room temperature water and let it rest for 25-30 to fully dissolve without stirring. It must be a liquid with no powder left or visible.

2. Get some PH test paper on Amazon as you will now need to buffer (make less acidic) the potassium solution otheexise it hurts like hell.
Test the solution and use the PH color chart to determine the PH (Google images).

3. If you are using sodium carbonate like the Dr Oetker bicarbonate soda, you need to add very slowly up to 130mg of it into the solution, but do it very slowly and test a lot every time until you reach a Ph between 7 and 7.5 according to color chart.
Between each addition you need to stir a lot to dissolve it fast and may have to wait 5-10 minutes otherwise your PH result will be false.

If you are using sodium bicarbonate (look at the ingredients in the product you have and search it online to make sure), then put a minimum of 5.46mg of it into the solution and wait 10 mins for dissolution, test the Ph and add more very slowly if needed for the same target as above. The max you can add is 10.92mg of it.

4. Your solution is now ready, it should not hurt your veins as you buffered the solution PH, wait further 10 minutes to make sure it's all well dissolved and stir it before putting in a syringe (possible a 70ml syringe, with luer lock).

5. Insert a cannula in the biggest vein you can find in your arm, not your hand, learn vigorusly to do it on YouTube, you can buy them online with a Google search, I advise to take size 18g for fast flow, nothing smaller than 20g, anything below 18g will be very hard to put in a vein. Secure the cannula with strong dressings and flush it with saline solution (you can buy, it's called saline solution pods on Amazon), if it flushes well the cannula is in your vein and you are good to go, if it hurts and swells the cannula is not in a vein so do it again.

6. Shake the solution again in the syringe, lie down, and connect the syringe to the cannula, and you can inject it the faster possible but at a constant rate to ensure you don't break your vein. You heart shall stop within seconds, so it's important to be fast but consistent.

Potassium KCI stops the heart within seconds or minutes, and is only that lethal when injected into a vein, orally it's impossible to drink and requires a huge dose. It can be painful to inject but as it's buffered it's tolerable.

You can buy tourniquets, cannula, dressings, syringes on some websites you can find on Google (Google shopping for example) and saline pods you can find them on Amazon usually for eye irrigation or baby care.
Better make the solution in plastic glasses.

I hope this helps.
 
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Very interesting. Looks like you put a lot of work into deciphering the method. For those still wanting SN, other members have recently mentioned it's being offered again by 2-3 sellers on large, well known US site.
 
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Very interesting. Looks like you put a lot of work into deciphering the method. For those still wanting SN, other members have recently mentioned it's being offered again by 2-3 sellers on large, well known US site.
As opposed to SN, potassium is pretty fast, SN can have a delayed reaction for up to 7 days and it's a horrible long death in some case as it causes the blood to be deprived of oxygen.
Not all potassium do this effect hence why it's important to respect the steps and have the right products.
 
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As opposed to SN, potassium is pretty fast, SN can have a delayed reaction for up to 7 days and it's a horrible long death in some case as it causes the blood to be deprived of oxygen.
Not all potassium do this effect hence why it's important to respect the steps and have the right products.
Cannot argue the unpredictability of SN. All methods do take some amount of planning to give desired outcome.
 
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Great detailed information! Ironic that I commented on another thread just hours ago that KCl-based lethal injection sadly isn't an option available to the individual...

Looks like I'm eating those words now! Shows what I know (/sarcasm).
 
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Great detailed information! Ironic that I commented on another thread just hours ago that KCl-based lethal injection sadly isn't an option available to the individual...

Looks like I'm eating those words now! Shows what I know (/sarcasm).
It depends the countries, but in most, potassium chloride is available to everybody.
 
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Exactly, who was this method tested on to verify it actually works? Obviously, it wasn't you. It seems like it is only a method on paper, thus far.
 
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Exactly, who was this method tested on to verify it actually works? Obviously, it wasn't you. It seems like it is only a method on paper, thus far.
I never said it was tested, but 22g of potassium chloride in one minute kills for sure, it stops the heart right away and you can find medical research about that, it's supposed to be infused less than 1g per hour otherwise it kills in hospital.
Why are you talking about SN? I never brought SN here and I don't recommend it at all since it's unpredictable and can have delayed reaction up to 7 days. I am offering a fast solution here, not SN..
 
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I never said it was tested, but 22g of potassium chloride in one minute kills for sure, it stops the heart right away and you can find medical research about that, it's supposed to be infused less than 1g per hour otherwise it kills in hospital.
Why are you talking about SN? I never brought SN here and I don't recommend it at all since it's unpredictable and can have delayed reaction up to 7 days. I am offering a fast solution here, not SN..
You are doing this to yourself tomorrow? Will you tell people here what's going on? If it works this might help a lot of people. If it fails how will anyone know?
 
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You are doing this to yourself tomorrow? Will you tell people here what's going on? If it works this might help a lot of people. If it fails how will anyone know?
Well if it works I should not answer this post I should be dead, and if it does not work well I can post it here since where I live mobile don't get removed to patients in psych wards.
I am afraid it works so fast I won't be able to tell what's going on.
 
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Is there any proof this works??
 
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Is there any proof this works??
Medical research yeah, you can find easily on Google, "potassium chloride fast injection", in hospital it needs to be infused 1g per hour max or else it kills.
 
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Well if it works I should not answer this post I should be dead, and if it does not work well I can post it here since where I live mobile don't get removed to patients in psych wards.
I am afraid it works so fast I won't be able to tell what's going on.
If it does work that fast it's lucky. Better to not know what's going on. I think speed is important. Like going under for dental surgery it was fast and I didn't even know. I wish that could happen now. I guess people will just have to assume you died if you don't come back, but in an anonymous platform like this it's hard to know anything for certain.
 
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If it does work that fast it's lucky. Better to not know what's going on. I think speed is important. Like going under for dental surgery it was fast and I didn't even know. I wish that could happen now. I guess people will just have to assume you died if you don't come back, but in an anonymous platform like this it's hard to know anything for certain.
It would be a great idea to have somebody to write for me in case it works but I can't trust anybody really, I don't want people to send ambulance and police at my home..
 
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It would be a great idea to have somebody to write for me in case it works but I can't trust anybody really, I don't want people to send ambulance and police at my home..
I understand. Some things need to be private. If there was a video feed or something but I don't know, I don't know anything about how to do any of that. I know a lot of people film themselves committing suicide. I know that there are people who film their suicides but I've never watched one. I wish I could trust someone to help me out of my situation because of severe disability I can't even get a needle into a vein. If I could I could push the plunger with my left hand somehow but I can't keep it steady enough to get it in and I've been trying for days. Severe disabled.
 
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I understand. Some things need to be private. If there was a video feed or something but I don't know, I don't know anything about how to do any of that. I know a lot of people film themselves committing suicide. I know that there are people who film their suicides but I've never watched one. I wish I could trust someone to help me out of my situation because of severe disability I can't even get a needle into a vein. If I could I could push the plunger with my left hand somehow but I can't keep it steady enough to get it in and I've been trying for days. Severe disabled.
I am sorry to hear that, there are other methods not involving needles but it needs a bit of research.
The problem of video feed is I don't know where to post that because everywhere on the internet except here it would be censored right away
 
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Not new. I came across medical info that explained how a paramedic killed himself this way, in the 90s, in his car. There are pics of his dead arm hooked up, and it explains it in detail.

A person would need medical training to do this. If you go in the wrong place, you're fucked. Not everyone can do this.
 
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I am sorry to hear that, there are other methods not involving needles but it needs a bit of research.
The problem of video feed is I don't know where to post that because everywhere on the internet except here it would be censored right away
I understand. Unfortunately I can't move very much at all. I'm severely disabled physically now, and mentally for much longer. I can't read or write I have to use voice to text and speech. I can pick out a few words but can't do anything without the voice to text. I don't want to drink SN, I can't even get any. I cannot hold a gun anymore. I don't know what I'm going to do. Getting worse all the time. I wasn't always like this. Intelligent and normal. Now close to vegetative. No one will help me with what needs to happen. They stand by and watch atrocity and suffering. I wish I could do what you're doing, anything really to get out of this. Good luck to you.
 
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Not new. I came across medical info that explained how a paramedic killed himself this way, in the 90s, in his car. There are pics of his dead arm hooked up, and it explains it in detail.

A person would need medical training to do this. If you go in the wrong place, you're fucked. Not everyone can do this.
Yes indeed, if it goes into muscle or fat it's a big problem so yeah it's a bit of work, the thing is I have added the buffering to remove the excruciating pain and make sure we can push the syringe up to the end then and not fail.
 
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I understand. Unfortunately I can't move very much at all. I'm severely disabled physically now, and mentally for much longer. I can't read or write I have to use voice to text and speech. I can pick out a few words but can't do anything without the voice to text. I don't want to drink SN, I can't even get any. I cannot hold a gun anymore. I don't know what I'm going to do. Getting worse all the time. I wasn't always like this. Intelligent and normal. Now close to vegetative. No one will help me with what needs to happen. They stand by and watch atrocity and suffering. I wish I could do what you're doing, anything really to get out of this. Good luck to you.
I am so sorry to hear that really. You know you can get euthanasia in Belgium or Netherlands if you are in this state you will get it for sure... And you don't need people support for that
 
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I am so sorry to hear that really. You know you can get euthanasia in Belgium or Netherlands if you are in this state you will get it for sure... And you don't need people support for that
I can't afford it can't go there. Many people want to none of us get to. I know someone who has been trying to go there for years. I can't do it. No passport nothing but suffering. I'm ashamed. I did this to myself on accident. I hope it works for you. I hope I can get the help I need.
Also I have no ability to apply. Severely disabled and people around me won't help. They just watch.
 
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I understand. Unfortunately I can't move very much at all. I'm severely disabled physically now, and mentally for much longer. I can't read or write I have to use voice to text and speech. I can pick out a few words but can't do anything without the voice to text. I don't want to drink SN, I can't even get any. I cannot hold a gun anymore. I don't know what I'm going to do. Getting worse all the time. I wasn't always like this. Intelligent and normal. Now close to vegetative. No one will help me with what needs to happen. They stand by and watch atrocity and suffering. I wish I could do what you're doing, anything really to get out of this. Good luck to you.
I'm so sorry you're going through this, do you mind me asking what happened to you to cause you to go from able to speak, and then into an almost vegetative state (as you described)? You don't have to say, of course. You definitely won't be able to pick this method.

Unfortunately, people's hands are tied due to laws that are in place, I know it isn't right, but they would go to prison for murder.
 
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I'm so sorry you're going through this, do you mind me asking what happened to you to cause you to go from able to speak, and then into an almost vegetative state (as you described)? You don't have to say, of course. You definitely won't be able to pick this method.

Unfortunately, people's hands are tied due to laws that are in place, I know it isn't right, but they would go to prison for murder.
Severe brain damage. Then stroke like symptoms. Following three hospitalizations for severe cardiac dysfunction from nerve damage. It's all chemical toxicity from prescription antibiotic. They can't do anything about it. Also diagnosed vascular dementia and brain lesions. Cannot recover. Not very old. It's my own fault. I knew if I ever took antibiotic again it would kill me I just didn't know it would do this. I'm ashamed the tragedy is overwhelming. I just need help to die before it gets vegetative.
 
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I appreciate your efforts, hoping you find peace. Good luck 🤞.
 
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Thanks but no thanks. Anything injection is out the window for me plus I'd rather go with a method that's been proven to work several times over the years, 15 to 20 minutes of wait time is the price I'm willing to pay for the proven effectiveness. But good luck to you in finding your peace.

FYI, there is no 7 days with SN if you follow the right regimen.
 
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Severe brain damage. Then stroke like symptoms. Following three hospitalizations for severe cardiac dysfunction from nerve damage. It's all chemical toxicity from prescription antibiotic. They can't do anything about it. Also diagnosed vascular dementia and brain lesions. Cannot recover. Not very old. It's my own fault. I knew if I ever took antibiotic again it would kill me I just didn't know it would do this. I'm ashamed the tragedy is overwhelming. I just need help to die before it gets vegetative.
I'm so sorry, this is awful to deal with. I don't understand everything in great detail, only basic, but my Nan died from complications of vascular dementia so I understand where you're coming from there. If she could've ended her life, she definitely would have.

What about voluntarily stop eating and drinking (completely - literally nothing)? That seems like the only way for you. Or do people keep a literal note of what you've eaten/drank? Surely you are well within your rights to refuse to eat and drink? Not sure what country you're in, or how it is where you are, in the UK it is shit. Are you on palliative care? Over here, I'm sure to a certain degree people have this right (within palliative care situations), not 100% sure though.

Why are you blaming yourself? Sometimes we need antibiotics. Surely it is the negligence of the hospital, but also, without that, you'd still have the vascular dementia, which I'm presuming was brought on by the stroke.
 
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@UnderTheSun thank you for this research.
The problem of video feed is I don't know where to post that because everywhere on the internet except here it would be censored right away
Maybe you can have like a video call with someone (they dont have to live watch it, they can leave it on and close it later) that is recorded by that person and then they can upload that to a drive and post it here.

I hope everything goes well and that it doesn't hurt you at all ❤️‍🩹
 
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can you inject 70ml of KCI without any immediate symptoms onset? in the process of injecting like 10 ml to 20ml or 50ml don't we feel something? or is it possible to feel weak, shaky hands, fast heartbeat that makes us too weak to push the syringe all the way?

also IV cannula cannot be injected into vein with one hand instead can use butterfly needle.
 
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I don't think I could inject myself. If I could, I'd probably just use F or H from the dark net.
 
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@UnderTheSun thank you for this research.

Maybe you can have like a video call with someone (they dont have to live watch it, they can leave it on and close it later) that is recorded by that person and then they can upload that to a drive and post it here.

I hope everything goes well and that it doesn't hurt you at all ❤️‍🩹
Unfortunately I can't, people will not accept that because they will be accomplice of it and can be jailed...
can you inject 70ml of KCI without any immediate symptoms onset? in the process of injecting like 10 ml to 20ml or 50ml don't we feel something? or is it possible to feel weak, shaky hands, fast heartbeat that makes us too weak to push the syringe all the way?

also IV cannula cannot be injected into vein with one hand instead can use butterfly needle.
No, butterfly needle is too small for that but it moves into the vein so it can puncture it and it can go into a muscle. 70ml is a lot yeah but even if you inject half of it will kill you, anything over 7g kills you.
Thanks but no thanks. Anything injection is out the window for me plus I'd rather go with a method that's been proven to work several times over the years, 15 to 20 minutes of wait time is the price I'm willing to pay for the proven effectiveness. But good luck to you in finding your peace.

FYI, there is no 7 days with SN if you follow the right regimen.
Potassium overdose and fast injection kills in hospital, it does not need to be proven anymore it's extensively proven in medical research, do your research. And yes SN has been showing delayed reaction, it's on medical research, even huge overdoses.
 
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