Discussion Possible accessible SN alternative (Isobutyl Nitrite)

[GreenBanana23]

Seeing as SN is less and less readily available, would isobutyl nitrite be a suitable substitute? I just read a thread form March yet there hasnt been a whole lot of discussion other than that. I will link it below.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...at-are-more-readily-available-than-sn.110502/
Does anybody have any extra information on this subject besides the thread? I think this could be a very promising replacement for SN considering it functions the same way ("methaemoglobinaemia the presence of oxidized haemoglobin which is unable to transport oxygen". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/125...binaemia,unconsciousness, coma and even death.)
Going to try to research a bit more although it's rather difficult regarding the censorship of search engines nowadays. Will update thread if I get more information besides what's available in March thread. Data seems to be the biggest thing here.

 

[Leagueofgentlemen]

I thought this as well. Other types of nitrite salt could work apparently

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I think the problems are going to end up being 1) who is going to be the guinea pig? and 2) how will anyone know for certain? It's not like most on here know anyone else irl. 3) how will the information be conveyed?

SN was introduced in the PPH. Something new like this would, most likely, have to be, also. Trying to find a new method on a forum, where no one can absolutely know for sure what is, and isn't, true, is difficult, at best.

Not intending to be negative. Just my 2 cents.

 

[suicidalloser]

I think the problems are going to end up being 1) who is going to be the guinea pig? and 2) how will anyone know for certain? It's not like most on here know anyone else irl. 3) how will the information be conveyed?

An unknown substance with no history = common sense

 

[locked*n*loaded]

An unknown substance with no history = common sense

Very well put.

 

[CTB Dream]

This mayb hlp gnrl

Isobutyl nitrite

Isobutyl nitrite | C4H9NO2 | CID 10958 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.

pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[HealNForget]

Bumping to see if anyone has any more data to share. I was thinking maybe this could be a last ditch effort if SN or KN couldn't be obtained. I read that you would need a lot of IN for it to be lethal for example. And because of its awful taste (paint thinner-like) it might be much harder to ingest.

 

[Halfhourdays]

Bumping.

 

[gothbird]

If someone ingests IN, it can be deadly even in small amounts. The oral LD50 in rats is about 0.28 g/kg, which when scaled up suggests that 2-5g could be fatal in humans. That said, deaths have been reported from as little as 2-3 mL (~2-3g), so it doesn't take much. If someone throws up after swallowing it and then breathes it in, it can cause chemical pneumonia too. Most people use IN as a fun drug called poppers which can already cause death. So ingestion or inhalation could actually work.

A few things/sources I read:

Do Not Drink Poppers: A Case Report of Near Fatal Methemoglobinemia After Ingestion of Alkyl Nitrite - PMC

A 23-year-old female presented to the Emergency Department (ED) with altered mental status and acute respiratory failure with hypoxia after ingesting poppers (alkyl nitrite) at a music festival. She received initial treatment at the event medical ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Case Report: Unintentional Ingestion of Isobutyl Nitrite Causes Nearly Fatal Consequences - ACEP Now

ACEP Now offers real-time clinical news, news from the American College of Emergency Physicians, and news on practice trends and health care reform for the emergency medicine physician. ACEP Now is an official publication of the American College of Emergency Physicians.

www.acepnow.com

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24734306.2021.1972691#d1e164 (this one is interesting because it's about SN but mentions that 15 people who ctb used "amyl nitrite, isobutyl nitrite, sodium nitrate, or other nitrate-containing substances".)

Ingesting, Inhaling Nitrite "Poppers" Can Cause Severe Injury or Death

Ingesting or inhaling nitrite poppers can cause severe injury or death

www.fda.gov

https://academic.oup.com/omcr/article/2021/2/omaa136/6136156?login=false

Methemoglobinemia from isobutyl nitrite preparations

Ingestion of preparations containing isobutyl nitrite can lead to rapidly fatal methemoglobinemia. We report the cases of three patients presenting wi…

www.sciencedirect.com

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/14/2/427