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LoiteringClouds

LoiteringClouds

Tempus fugit
Feb 7, 2023
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Actually is though, and so is abortion, and the insistence that they aren't is intellectually dishonest. Life ends when they're performed. That makes them acts of murder
According to Merriam-Webster dictionary, murder is "the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person."

Some people think suicide is unjustifiable, so suicide might be the act of unjustifiably killing a person, but in many jurisdiction it's no longer a crime. If suicide is a crime in a jurisdiction it can be murder, according to the law there.

The problem of the statement "suicide is murder" is that it implies suicide is extremely bad behaviour and nobody has the right to do that. Actually pro-lifers want to say we have no right to kill ourselves.
And bigger problem is that some people deliberately use the term in order to slander suicidal people.

Please let me know if I'm wrong. Thank you.

Personally I would never say "suicide is murder" even though suicide is killing. There's enough guilt accompanied with suicide, so I don't have to add insult to injury. In my opinion the word "killing" could be used instead of "murder."
And nobody except religious fundamentalists would want to call 9/11 jumpers "murderers," who have jumped from burning World Trade Center buildings and died.
 
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1MiserableGuy

1MiserableGuy

Specialist
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According to Merriam-Webster dictionary, murder is "the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person."

Some people think suicide is unjustifiable, so suicide might be the act of unjustifiably killing a person, but in many jurisdiction it's no longer a crime. If suicide is a crime in a jurisdiction it can be murder, according to the law there.

The problem of the statement "suicide is murder" is that it implies suicide is extremely bad behaviour and nobody has the right to do that. Actually pro-lifers want to say we have no right to kill ourselves.
And bigger problem is that some people deliberately use the term in order to slander suicidal people.

Please let me know if I'm wrong. Thank you.

Personally I would never say "suicide is murder" even though suicide is killing. There's enough guilt accompanied with suicide, so I don't have to add insult to injury. In my opinion the word "killing" could be used instead of "murder."
And nobody except religious fundamentalists would want to call 9/11 jumpers "murderers," who have jumped from burning World Trade Center buildings and died.
If the difference between a murder and a killing that isn't murder is justification, the lines become muddy, because people will justify any and everything they do, because that helps them sleep at night. But I'm guessing by justification that you mean legally protected killing, rather than a killing where you just excused yourself. In that case, carrying out death penalty or a holy war isn't murder, because it's legally sanctioned. You can have your cake, but you can't eat it too.
 
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skyfall

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May 14, 2024
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If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, help is available. Call or text 988 or chat 988lifeline.org.
Hahaha, call 988 to commit "suicide by cop"?
 
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fleetingnight

fleetingnight

incapable of shutting up
May 2, 2024
648
"Offer yourself/your suffering up to God"
 
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LoiteringClouds

LoiteringClouds

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Feb 7, 2023
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"Try harder."
 
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skyfall

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May 14, 2024
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"Suicide is selfish."
 
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LoiteringClouds

LoiteringClouds

Tempus fugit
Feb 7, 2023
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"Your life isn't yours so you have no right to kill yourself."
 
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lukewarm

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Jun 2, 2024
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you're important to your family
 
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Valky

Valky

Petulant Child
Apr 4, 2023
1,322
"Have you tried going outside a bit more?"
"You should do more exercise to keep going!"
"You're just lazy!"
"It's all just in your head"
"Well, you have to want it too!"
"Nothing comes from nothing!"
"You just need to do more things you enjoy!"
"But you're not depressed right now, right?"
"Your family and friends would miss you!"
"Your family and friends would be sad!"
"You are too pretty to do that!"
 
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archiveofpain

archiveofpain

close up the hole in my vein
May 29, 2024
41
"Life is full of ups and downs"
 
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UnluckyBastard

UnluckyBastard

Student
Jun 26, 2024
114
"Please read the book of John it'll solve all your problems" - Unironically my hyper religious Aunt. Like why John specifically lol aren't you supposed to read the whole Bible
 
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Buffy

Buffy

24/7 cold
Mar 17, 2024
95
"Think positive thoughts."

Wow! Would you look at that? My depression is suddenly gone😃✨
 
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EmmaQanbana

EmmaQanbana

What's there to love of an empty husk?
May 31, 2023
49
"There's always hope down the line"

As my life proceeds to get worse lol
 
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i_miss_my_dad

i_miss_my_dad

She def on my tone
Jul 6, 2024
10
client was assessed as at moderate ctb risk. Staffed with redacted, LSW. Called client's boyfriend for collateral and to build in accountability around following safety plan .
 
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lacrimosa

Experienced
Jul 1, 2024
233
"Suicide doesn't help you, it just prevents things from ever getting better."
 
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v089

v089

v zero eight nine
May 9, 2023
35
"There are starving children in Africa", like it makes me feel any better, thinking how the world is doomed, lol.
 
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pandorasactor

pandorasactor

dead inside
Sep 23, 2024
120
"You're too young. You haven't experienced real pain."
 
Spaghettii

Spaghettii

404
Sep 22, 2023
22
"Everyone deals with hardships. U just have to be stronger and less negative."

Oh... ok 👍
 
(in)sane

(in)sane

"If you are alone you belong entirely to yourself"
Jun 9, 2024
37
"You just have to pray more! Ask god for help!" Oh ok sounds legit will do👍🫥

"You're still young and have a whole life ahead of you"
This genuinely just gave me the ick
"Everyone deals with hardships. U just have to be stronger and less negative."

Oh... ok 👍
Mother? Is that you?
 
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HereTomorrow

HereTomorrow

Eternally atoning
Feb 1, 2024
561
"You'll thank me later for getting you help."

It's been 10 years since my first ER psych eval from this. I'm worse off. ER visits traumatized me. I never tell anyone anything anymore.

"You're crying, you'll make your family do that if you die."

Not an exact quote. My therapist, after getting my parent to talk about what life would be like if I CTB.
 
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reversebandaid

Member
May 1, 2024
29
"I need you. I don't have anyone else." I'm not really mad about them saying that but it doesn't help
Oh and "you just need to change your mindset. You can you're just choosing not to."
 
IcarusUnderSun

IcarusUnderSun

The wax is melting.
Nov 1, 2023
11
A bit of a sillier one but still "You're letting the haters win!"

But like, they're already 'winning' by getting to torment me whenever they want, or even worse, forget any harm they did. I'm not doing it for them, I'm doing it to escape them.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
10,069
Actually is though, and so is abortion, and the insistence that they aren't is intellectually dishonest. Life ends when they're performed. That makes them acts of murder

Depends who you believe owns your life. Depends if you think you can consent to ending your life. By the same reasoning, giving to a charity or buying something is theft and masterbation is rape.

Abortion I would agree with you more over. That is a decision about another being's life. However, as the more fervant pro-abortionists will point out- it isn't sentient life at that point.

However- the slaughter of animals for our dinner or to make room for our needs in the natural world is murder. Euthanizing an animal at the vets is always murder- no matter how well intentioned it is. They can't consent to it.




Not sure if someone already quoted this one:

'Suicide doesn't end pain, it just passes it on to your loved ones.'

Great- so- not only are you feeling shit already, now you can have some guilt to go with it.
 
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Silent_cries

Silent_cries

Too many flashbacks, can't take it anymore! Help!
Aug 10, 2021
1,421
"Hang in there" is my favourite, little do they know it has several meanings. :pfff:

Other ones ik:

"It get's better"
"Suicide is not the answer"
"suicidal people doesn't truly want to die"
"Suicide prevention is important" and the like
"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem", exept not all problems are temporary, sigh...
"Life is valuable", and the like
"Suicidal people are too ill to see that suicide is not the solution"
"Pro-choice is the same as pro-suicide", pretty sure that's how they see it anyway. :/
"Suicide must be ended at all cost"
Ohh and "abortion is murder", obiovsly.
 
TragedyBornCrimson

TragedyBornCrimson

I accept my eternal punishment
Oct 19, 2023
245
How about leaving a legacy!!!!!
 

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