😦 religion/Christianity

[Little_Suzy]

"Rejoice! We're going to Heaven!" The Catholic Church extends an empathetic position of forgiveness and compassion to people who have committed suicide due to mental illness. It recognizes the profound repercussions that such conditions can have on those who succumb to them tragically.


The Catechism states that "Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide."

The Church teaches and believes that "We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to Him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives."

The Church has come a long way in her understanding of suicide; in fact, there are specific prayers in the Order of Christian Funerals for those who die by suicide.

 

[ScubaCTB]

Putting words in my mouth isn't going to work. All I believe is that everyone should have the right to love and do what they want as long as it isn't at the detriment of others. You're here because you believe people should have the right to choose what to do with their bodies. What makes that any different than a member of the LGBTQ? The hypocrisy is astounding.

Straw man arguments are the same thing that the fake Christian Donald Trump people in the USA use, and that the far-left LGBTQ liberals use in the USA, etc. And that's why we have another Biden vs. Trump election. It's sad. It's politics and it affects the whole world. And the fact you just joined this forum yesterday and are already attacking people based on politics, and have no desire whatsoever to communicate amicably, tells me all I need to know. But I hope your guy wins. As evil and nasty as the Trump people are, the more I interact with liberals, they are far worse.

I won't respond to you again.

 

[inneedrelief]

These religions came about as placeholders for forces of nature we did not understand at the time. That's all it's ever been. Mythology that'd later be replaced by science or reduced to lessons, warnings and metaphors to broaden our understanding of history and human nature. We don't burn witches at the stake anymore because we now call them herbalists, botanists, etc. I just don't understand the point in believing something that only makes you fearful, that is so far removed from reality that it can neither be proven or denied yet has a hand in every decision you make in life, but to each their own I guess.

Not every christian is fearful it didn't make me fearful it made me realize everything and gave me understanding and truth. As for others everything pointless or meaningless

 

[inneedrelief]

I think, and again, just my opinion as the stupidest smart person in the world, that dreams are the gateway to knowing what may possibly happen after death and before birth in this world.

I had thousands of lucid dreams when I was younger, meaning I was aware that I was dreaming, and I could control what I was doing in the dream. Like when I was a teen, I'd be ready to have sex with a chick in a lucid dream, and I knew it, and then I'd wake up and be mad! My lucid dreams stopped around age 30. But several of them scared me because I was aware I was sleep and dreaming, and could control everything in the dream, but the situation and world I was in was beyond my comprehension. Was it demons? Was it God? Was it a post-death world? I don't know. But somebody somewhere was telling me something.

As far as vengeance, God does so to the ultimate sinners. Sodom and Gommorah we already talked about. The story of Miriam and Aaron, when God gave Miriam leprosy because she did not believe in him, is a good example. Romans 12.

You're taking me back to my childhood with this discussion and all my Bible studies I was forced to do. Whether I liked it or not (going to church and Sunday school all the time), it reminds me of the only pleasant, good and happy time in my life. Thank you.

What is judgement day then if your gonna be judged on what you decide or what you did

 

[ScubaCTB]

First of all, I've been on and off this forum for years.

Your join date to this form is January 23, 2024. It's right under your profile image. Just stop.

 

[Aim]

I do not believe in god whatsoever, walking on water etc etc However, his road to enlightenment is in fact a very good one.

But I believe you can still follow god, and still use your brains. There is alot in tbe Bible that is so old fashioned it's almost criminal.
I do not believe in god whatsoever, walking on water etc etc. Making eine with the help of water, sure, as long as you know how to brew grapes, and have water hahah. Cheers
However, his road to enlightenment is in fact a very good one.

But I believe you can still follow god, but still use your brains. There is alot in tbe Bible that is so old fashioned that I believe its time to look at where society is now, and adjust to that.

Happily more and more is happening on the right direction

 

[inneedrelief]

First of all, I've been on and off this forum for years. Second of all, this discussion strikes a sore spot as someone who has to watch in real-time what organized religion has done and continues to do to people. News flash, I'm not rooting for neither Biden or Trump. I know politics is nothing but bread and circuses at this point to distract from the fact that our planet and standard of living is currently dying. This discussion wasn't really meant for you, so much as as it's for people like me who might be reading this, who might've needed someone to say these things in their life.

Tbh all things are personal for you and I don't think truth will ever hold you up. With that kind of attitude. Harden heart won't get you anywhere.

 

[ScubaCTB]

You think I'm lying? I've had two accounts on here before already. Alnilam and LetltRot.

Then why are you creating more profiles if you already have two of them? Listen, dude/chica/"they" whatever you are. I am the stupidest smart person in the world. You come off as AI. This profile you are posting from now was created on January 23, 2024. That is a fact. You're a phony, and fleeing from your record if these other profiles you say really do exist.

 

[Dot]

Well sorry, but you lost me by belittling and insulting @inneedrelief, Christianity in general, and their beliefs. You said some nasty stuff for no reason other than to be nasty. And I'm too old and I'll be dead soon anyway to pretend anymore.

Is there 100% scientific proof that God exists? NO.

Is there 100% scientific proof that humans with penises and testicles are women? HELL NO!

But you value your faith and deem it the only and sole reality/truth and belittle others. That's what is wrong with this world.

U nd t/ remmbr tht SaSu = an inculsve plce fr LGBTQ+ ppl & tht mny of thm on ste hve alrdy bn tramtisd b/ cmmuntis wth commnts lke 'lgbtq = a faith' & thn invalid8tng thr identtis -- tht = th/ reasn tht mny of thm wn2 ctb

ppl cn lose thr faith - lgbtq ppl d/ nt jst lse or gain thy @ faith = an emotnl st8 or rsponse tht hs nothng t/ d/ wth hw lgbtq wrks

Th/ convrsatn abt gendr = movng on t/ b mre inclusve & if ur belifs r basd 100% in biolgy nw thn tht = ur chce bt transphobc talkng pnts r nt toler8td on SaSu & nevr wll b




Convrsatns nd t/ rmain civl & 2hn comng t/ topc of relign = wld b helpfl fr ppl t/ refer t/ wht thy belive rathr thn push thse belifs on2 othr ppl as 'fct' pls

 

[ScubaCTB]

Now you're resorting to calling me an AI just because I don't agree with you?

No, you told the forum that you have three profiles here. The current one (sickadmad), Alnilam and LetltRot. Why do you need three profiles?

 

[inneedrelief]

Now you're resorting to calling me an AI just because I don't agree with you? That's rich. I don't know if you've noticed, but this site has gotten a lot of flack lately, especially as of late, and literally anyone can view the posts on here. Doxxing is a thing and my main problem is paranoia. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Either way, I shouldn't have to explain myself to you. I'm closing this thread now.

You're the one literally in you're feelings the first thing you got here because my post wasn't about "ask me questions and I'll answer about my religion!" If you couldn't answer my question then why are you here. All you said was it's not giving me sense comfort. Yeah obv this is life permanent absence of earth. On MY terms. A lot of people don't find comfort in knowing what's after whether they believe in anything or not.

 

[singularity3]

Nothing will happen to you. You are organic matter in the process of decomposition. You're just going to take a shortcut.

 

[ScubaCTB]

U nd t/ remmbr tht SaSu = an inculsve plce fr LGBTQ+ ppl & tht mny of thm on ste hve alrdy bn tramtisd b/ cmmuntis wth commnts lke 'lgbtq = a faith' & thn invalid8tng thr identtis -- tht = th/ reasn tht mny of thm wn2 ctb

ppl cn lose thr faith - lgbtq ppl d/ nt jst lse or gain thy @ faith = an emotnl st8 or rsponse tht hs nothng t/ d/ wth hw lgbtq wrks

Th/ convrsatn abt gendr = movng on t/ b mre inclusve & if ur belifs r basd 100% in biolgy nw thn tht = ur chce bt transphobc talkng pnts r nt toler8td on SaSu & nevr wll b




Convrsatns nd t/ rmain civl & 2hn comng t/ topc of relign = wld b helpfl fr ppl t/ refer t/ wht thy belive rathr thn push thse belifs on2 othr ppl as 'fct' pls

Ok if this obvious AI response is cool with mods, I'll leave the forum and never post again. I have no idea what this crap is....????

 

[rainwillneverstop]

Ok if this obvious AI response is cool with mods, I'll leave the forum and never post again. I have no idea what this crap is....????

I'll 'translate' it to you. Info on the reason for why dot types the way she does is on their profile.

You need to remember that sasu is an inclusive place for LGBTQ+ people and that many of them on site have already been traumatized by religious communities with comments like 'LGBTQ is a faith' and then invalidating their identities. That is the reason many of them want to CTB.

People can lose their faith; LGBTQ people do not just lose or gain their identity or inclination, faith is an emotional state or response that has nothing to do with how lgbtq works.

The conversation about gender is moving on to be more inclusive and if your beliefs are based 100% in biology now then that is your choice but homophobic and transphobic talking points are not tolerated on sasu and never will be.



Conversations need to remain civil and coming to the topic of religion, it would be helpful for people to refer to what they believe or don't believe rather than push these beliefs on other people as a fact, please.

 

[rainwillneverstop]

You are free to believe what you believe, and other members are free not to believe that.
But both sides must remember that proselytizing is against the forum rules.

Please keep this in mind so the thread won't need to be locked.

 

[Raindancer]

I have to say, as a Christian I have felt this is not always a welcoming place. I can literally feel the hatred at times. My understanding of this site was that we could share any of our feelings as long as it wasn't an attack on others. @ineedrelief was quite clear that their mind would not be changed and had a question specifically for those with a Christian belief. If that isn't you move on. I would never comment on anyone asking for advice on annihilism. But to deliberately come onto a post to either make a point of telling others their faith or belief isn't real and or to attack them for said beliefs is cruel and unnecessary. I really thought ALL were accepted here.

 

[Dot]

I have to say, as a Christian I have felt this is not always a welcoming place. I can literally feel the hatred at times. My understanding of this site was that we could share any of our feelings as long as it wasn't an attack on others. @ineedrelief was quite clear that their mind would not be changed and had a question specifically for those with a Christian belief. If that isn't you move on. I would never comment on anyone asking for advice on annihilism. But to deliberately come onto a post to either make a point of telling others their faith or belief isn't real and or to attack them for said beliefs is cruel and unnecessary. I really thought ALL were accepted here.

crrct

Imposng belifs applis t/ bth sdes

Membrs mst respct religs belifs of ech-othr howevr othrs r allowd t/ mke argmnts agnst or b criticl of hmophobc or trnsphobc commnts

 

[rainwillneverstop]

Saying again.

Members who likewise do not respect OP's religion will be thread banned.

 

[inneedrelief]

Saying again.

Members who likewise do not respect OP's religion will be thread banned.

Just ban them

 

[piryohae3]

We have free will idk I don't agree with everything you just said

Imo free will cannot exist alongside an omniscient god. If god is omniscient then he already knows everything including what's yet to come. All were doing is following a track laid out in front of us. He already knows what we're going to do before we do it. Everything has already been predetermined. There is no free will if god already knows what you're going to do before you even have a chance to "choose."

 

[inneedrelief]

Imo free will cannot exist alongside an omniscient god. If god is omniscient then he already knows everything including what's yet to come. All were doing is following a track laid out in front of us. He already knows what we're going to do before we do it. Everything has already been predetermined. There is no free will if god already knows what you're going to do before you even have a chance to "choose."

No. It's free will pale it's like you seeing let's say a vision of your mom getting milk and then it comes true. Did you control her to get milk? Did she do it free willingly? Does she personally like milk? Knowing something doesn't controll the matter. Just allows it.

 

[piryohae3]

Knowing something doesn't controll the matter.

It does if you're an all knowing, all powerful god.

 

[EternalShore]

Anyone believes in the bible? Also you can't change my mind about it either. So anyway will God save me after suicide? I know it can be possible under some circumstances. But were talking about my circumstance. So I can't repent afterwards and I hurt my family in the process. He also says to keep his commandments and it says thou shall not kill and he also says endure till end and you'll be saved. Will I get thrown to the pit?

I am a Lutheran Christian! ^_^ There was some other guy who talked about Sheol and stuff, and idk his denomination, so I feel the need to specify that. May he rest in peace :)

It can not truly be foretold by anyone except God who goes to Heaven or Hell. If one has sin (which all do), they need God and His grace. However, if we have faith in Him and His sacrifice for us on the cross and repent of our sins, then He will show His grace to us and let us go to be with Him forever. :)
You have correctly identified that sewer slide is a sin as it is the murder of one's self. However, from a Protestant Christian perspective, one needs to remember that one merely needs faith in God for salvation. It is not dependent on our works. As such, if we are truly faithful to God but ultimately decide to ctb as life was too much for us, God may still bring us to Heaven in spite of our sin. :)
Also, when I was still sewer slidal myself, my chosen method was SN because it would allow me time to read the Bible and pray to God for forgiveness after I had already begun the process of ending my own life.

Also, in regards to "endure until the end", this appears in Matthew 24:12, and refers to the End Times, specifically coming after "the love of many will grow cold." It is telling us to continue loving others and remain faithful to God in spite of persecution by those around us. :)

 

[inneedrelief]

I am a Lutheran Christian! ^_^ There was some other guy who talked about Sheol and stuff, and idk his denomination, so I feel the need to specify that. May he rest in peace :)

It can not truly be foretold by anyone except God who goes to Heaven or Hell. If one has sin (which all do), they need God and His grace. However, if we have faith in Him and His sacrifice for us on the cross and repent of our sins, then He will show His grace to us and let us go to be with Him forever. :)
You have correctly identified that sewer slide is a sin as it is the murder of one's self. However, from a Protestant Christian perspective, one needs to remember that one merely needs faith in God for salvation. It is not dependent on our works. As such, if we are truly faithful to God but ultimately decide to ctb as life was too much for us, God may still bring us to Heaven in spite of our sin. :)
Also, when I was still sewer slidal myself, my chosen method was SN because it would allow me time to read the Bible and pray to God for forgiveness after I had already begun the process of ending my own life.

Also, in regards to "endure until the end", this appears in Matthew 24:12, and refers to the End Times, specifically coming after "the love of many will grow cold." It is telling us to continue loving others and remain faithful to God in spite of persecution by those around us. :)

I didn't know that, thank you, I was pming to hear your thoughts on it but looks like you already told me. Thanks

 

[sserafim]

No. It's free will pale it's like you seeing let's say a vision of your mom getting milk and then it comes true. Did you control her to get milk? Did she do it free willingly? Does she personally like milk? Knowing something doesn't controll the matter. Just allows it.

Maybe your "free will" (more like illusion of it) leads you to your fate

 

[inneedrelief]

Maybe your "free will" (more like illusion of it) leads you to your fate

Still free will

 

[rainwillneverstop]

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