should the slipknot gradually tighten more and more around your neck, as you kneel down?

[SufferingInDenmark]

i'm looking up numerous turotials on how to tie a slipknot. they don't even tighten around your neck as you kneel down.
i thought they were supossed to do that??

what should i search for to find the correct slipknot for partial hanging?

 

[fedup1982]

The knot isn't important. But what I feel obliged to tell you is that hanging is an awful, awful way to go. You deserve better. Just a belt would work but really... Awful way to go no matter wtf other people say I've been there done that and I would never put myself in the position of hanging without an option to get out of the noose because it's such a bad way to go.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

The knot isn't important. But what I feel obliged to tell you is that hanging is an awful, awful way to go. You deserve better. Just a belt would work but really... Awful way to go no matter wtf other people say I've been there done that and I would never put myself in the position of hanging without an option to get out of the noose because it's such a bad way to go.

its highly reliable and very fast and effective, so why do you personally dismiss it?

 

[fedup1982]

its highly reliable and very fast and effective, so why do you personally dismiss it?

Because I know that I have to pull out of hanging before I get unconscious, I just can't tolerate the unbelievable degree of terror and panic and awfulness it produces, however "short" it may be. In those few dozen seconds, it might as well be a lifetime of suffering, I just couldn't follow through. I'm glad I gave myself an exit from hanging. Plus if you're more unlucky than me you could end up in a wheelchair permanently

 

[kopebaldy]

I just can't tolerate the unbelievable degree of terror and panic and awfulness it produces, however "short" it may be. In those few dozen seconds, it might as well be a lifetime of suffering, I just couldn't follow through.

No offense but like... that's just a you problem, isn't it?

I haven't tried to actually committed but I did try to put my head through the noose and pull with the other hand until near passing out and it's... unpleasant yeah, not nearly as bad as I expected tho.

Maybe hanging just isn't for you. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

Because I know that I have to pull out of hanging before I get unconscious, I just can't tolerate the unbelievable degree of terror and panic and awfulness it produces, however "short" it may be. In those few dozen seconds, it might as well be a lifetime of suffering, I just couldn't follow through. I'm glad I gave myself an exit from hanging. Plus if you're more unlucky than me you could end up in a wheelchair permanently

hmmmmmm... i don't wanna be too fast to accuse, but it smells a bit of an undercover pro lifer.
you could be sincere, i have no idea

The knot isn't important. But what I feel obliged to tell you is that hanging is an awful, awful way to go. You deserve better. Just a belt would work but really... Awful way to go no matter wtf other people say I've been there done that and I would never put myself in the position of hanging without an option to get out of the noose because it's such a bad way to go.

what method WOULD you recommend? :)
or find to be the least bad?

 

[fedup1982]

hmmmmmm... i don't wanna be too fast to accuse, but it smells a bit of an undercover pro lifer.
you could be sincere, i have no idea

what method WOULD you recommend? :)
or find to be the least bad?

I value not being in prison so I won't tell you what methods I'd recommend. But I'm still here, so all I'll say is at least in the UK there's no fking easy answer unfortunately. If I lived in the USA though I'd have shot myself many times over the last 25 years

No offense but like... that's just a you problem, isn't it?

I haven't tried to actually committed but I did try to put my head through the noose and pull with the other hand until near passing out and it's... unpleasant yeah, not nearly as bad as I expected tho.

Maybe hanging just isn't for you. Nothing wrong with that.

Idk I'm not a doctor, I don't know if my physiology or mind is unusual. You can take what I said or leave it, it's up to you

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

I value not being in prison so I won't tell you what methods I'd recommend.

ok but if you personally, hypothetically, just imagining here, were to suicide, what method would you or any person hypothetically deem to be the least bad? hypothetically only

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Just a belt would work but really

Belts aren't recommended for hanging. They often snap under weight and are incredibly uncomfortable.

 

[kopebaldy]

ok but if you personally, hypothetically, just imagining here, were to suicide, what method would you or any person hypothetically deem to be the least bad? hypothetically only

You're right, that guy seems hella sus rn

 

[fedup1982]

ok but if you personally, hypothetically, just imagining here, were to suicide, what method would you or any person hypothetically deem to be the least bad? hypothetically only

Hypothetically, argon gas. But it didn't work for me at all. I even tried 3 argon tanks in total and each was the same. In theory you just pass out. For me, it was no different to just putting a fking bag over my head. I was so fking sure I was going to die, but no. I'm still here. It sucked BIG time. I thought I could finally have a peaceful exit. Idk if my conspiritor friends swapped the tanks out with CO2 tanks or what. I never got to the bottom of it and now I have 3 tanks I have to get rid of some how and no obvious way left to die unless I jump off beachy head cliffs... Which risks me lying at the bottom in agony. Slim chance, but possible. And I'd rather just stay alive and not in pain and with all 4 limbs fully functioning. Now my first choice is to aim for being euthanised somewhere like Belgium, Netherlands or Switzerland

 

[AreWeWinning]

i'm looking up numerous turotials on how to tie a slipknot. they don't even tighten around your neck as you kneel down.
i thought they were supossed to do that??

what should i search for to find the correct slipknot for partial hanging?

It's called a Noose Knot. A stopper knot must be added as well. A Noose Knot + stopper knot combo can also be called an Arbor Knot.

This is how you tie it:
Noose Knot
Arbor Knot

Because I know that I have to pull out of hanging before I get unconscious, I just can't tolerate the unbelievable degree of terror and panic and awfulness it produces, however "short" it may be. In those few dozen seconds, it might as well be a lifetime of suffering, I just couldn't follow through.

What stands out to me is that you don't even mention pain or discomfort. Of course, you're panicking, because you know you're about to die. If you tried another method, you'd probably feel the same. Hanging is clearly not for you, because you always back out from partial before you pass out, and you're afraid to do full. (You explained this in the other thread, which got deleted for other reasons.) While it doesn't work for you, it can work for others – depends on the person, I guess. To be clear, I'm not discrediting your experience, and I'm not suggesting you're doing something wrong! All I'm saying is different methods work for different people.

I'm glad I gave myself an exit from hanging. Plus if you're more unlucky than me you could end up in a wheelchair permanently

It's certainly a possibility, but it's rare. Every research paper I've read says that permanent injuries, including neurological damage, are rare.

For example, look at this study (link 1, link 2), regarding neurological outcome:

Of the 886 patients (181 women and 705 men; median age, 43 years [34-52]), ... Median Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) score was 3 [3 5] at ICU admission. Hanging induced cardiac arrest in 450/886 (50.8%) patients. Overall, 497/886 (56.1%) patients were alive at hospital discharge, including 479/497 (96.4%) with a favourable neuro-cognitive outcome (defined as a Glasgow Outcome Scale score of 4-5).

Or look at this study (link) regarding cervical spine injuries, which is also based on a large sample size:

Injuries to the cervical vertebral with consequent spinal cord-‍brainstem injury is very unusual in suicidal hanging19 with the cervical spine remaining intact in most cases, despite popular belief.17,25,27,31

Those are just a couple of examples.

Injuries to the trachea or hyoid bone might happen, but those are neither life-threatening nor permanent. Statistics are more nuanced on those, and I don't want to make this comment too long, so I'll spare the details for now. In short, rope placement, hanging time, and age play a role in whether these injuries happen.

 

[fedup1982]

It's called a Noose Knot. A stopper knot must be added as well. A Noose Knot + stopper knot combo can also be called an Arbor Knot.

This is how you tie it:
Noose Knot
Arbor Knot



What stands out to me is that you don't even mention pain or discomfort. Of course, you're panicking, because you know you're about to die. If you tried another method, you'd probably feel the same. Hanging is clearly not for you, because you always back out from partial before you pass out, and you're afraid to do full. (You explained this in the other thread, which got deleted for other reasons.) While it doesn't work for you, it can work for others – depends on the person, I guess. To be clear, I'm not discrediting your experience, and I'm not suggesting you're doing something wrong! All I'm saying is different methods work for different people.



It's certainly a possibility, but it's rare. Every research paper I've read says that permanent injuries, including neurological damage, are rare.

For example, look at this study (link 1, link 2), regarding neurological outcome:

Of the 886 patients (181 women and 705 men; median age, 43 years [34-52]), ... Median Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) score was 3 [3 5] at ICU admission. Hanging induced cardiac arrest in 450/886 (50.8%) patients. Overall, 497/886 (56.1%) patients were alive at hospital discharge, including 479/497 (96.4%) with a favourable neuro-cognitive outcome (defined as a Glasgow Outcome Scale score of 4-5).

Or look at this study (link) regarding cervical spine injuries, which is also based on a large sample size:

Injuries to the cervical vertebral with consequent spinal cord-‍brainstem injury is very unusual in suicidal hanging19 with the cervical spine remaining intact in most cases, despite popular belief.17,25,27,31

Those are just a couple of examples.

Injuries to the trachea or hyoid bone might happen, but those are neither life-threatening nor permanent. Statistics are more nuanced on those, and I don't want to make this comment too long, so I'll spare the details for now. In short, rope placement, hanging time, and age play a role in whether these injuries happen.

I'm impressed with your ability to research. I can't compete with that degree of competence.

However I still have my first hand experiences to contribute. If you want to compare it to pain and discomfort, I can happily do that. What I experienced in hanging was worse than the pain of an excruciating migraine, which in turn was worse than any bone I've ever broken, and I've completely broken my hip, wrists and index finger, the hip was far worse than the wrist, and the wrists worse than the finger.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

this one is very easy and i experimented with it,
i think it might could work for partial hanging.
what do yall think?

 

[AreWeWinning]

I'm impressed with your ability to research. I can't compete with that degree of competence.

I've been looking at it for some time (months). Considering that, it's not that impressive. I'm not just looking these up now.

However I still have my first hand experiences to contribute. If you want to compare it to pain and discomfort, I can happily do that. What I experienced in hanging was worse than the pain of an excruciating migraine, which in turn was worse than any bone I've ever broken, and I've completely broken my hip, wrists and index finger, the hip was far worse than the wrist, and the wrists worse than the finger.

I see. Well, it's always personal experience that ultimately matters.

As Seneca said:

"Every man ought to make his life acceptable to others besides himself, but his death to himself alone. The best form of death is the one we like." – Seneca (Moral Letters to Lucilius, Letter 70)

 

[fedup1982]

I've been looking at it for some time (months). Considering that, it's not that impressive. I'm not looking these up now as I'm writing the reply.



I see. Well, it's always personal experience that ultimately matters.

As Seneca said:

"Every man ought to make his life acceptable to others besides himself, but his death to himself alone. The best form of death is the one we like." – Seneca (Moral Letters to Lucilius, Letter 70)

Beautiful quote. I wish society universally respected a persons wish to die but it feels like a pipe dream

 

[finallydone]

I value not being in prison so I won't tell you what methods I'd recommend. But I'm still here, so all I'll say is at least in the UK there's no fking easy answer unfortunately. If I lived in the USA though I'd have shot myself many times over the last 25 years

multiple times ? what were you shooting ? your head right ?

 

[fedup1982]

multiple times ? what were you shooting ? your head right ?

You might want to read what I said again. I don't live in the USA, I live in the UK where there are almost no guns and having one for most people is highly illegal. But if I did live in the USA, or if guns were legal here, many many times would I have shot myself. My gun of choice for suicide would be a sawn off shotgun, short barelled, aimed in a certain way that I will not disclose to maximise chances that no arsehole (sorry to medical people, you're all good but you just don't get me) could save me. I by the way do have utmost respect for medical professionals, I'm just venting.

 

[AreWeWinning]

this one is very easy and i experimented with it,
i think it might could work for partial hanging.
what do yall think?

That's a Poacher's Knot. Definitely not a Slip Knot (the video is titled incorrectly). And yes, it's a good option. You can add a stopper knot to it too.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

That's a Poacher's Knot. Definitely not a Slip Knot (the video is titled incorrectly). And yes, it's a good option. You can add a stopper knot to it too.

it's not mentioned a lot, its the first time im hearing it.
i added the stopper knot also.

and then i hypothetically would make a loop at the end of the rope and hook it to an achor point.

that would hypothetically work, right? for partial

a really solid loop, tied up with several knots