
Defenestration
I want to have the courage to defenestrate myself
- Oct 25, 2020
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Regarding testing SN. One must open the SN container to test for purity (aquarium test). With a HDPE container is it fine just to put the lid back on and continue storing for another few months in a cool dark place?This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.
Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.
First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.
Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.
As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.
Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".
You'll need the following:
SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.
Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.
Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.
I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.
Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.
Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.
I saw those videos. Looks like they broke protocol - probably used only SN, without benzos or antimimetics. Still, it seems to work surprisingly fast.People have seen vidéos of Chinese death sn?
It says you should drink the glass of Benzo right after drinking the glass of Sn.Yes, and that raises my doubts. I'm not sure it can knock me out that quickly, even at the extremely high doses that are recommended.
On the other hand, taking benzos too early on is also a bad idea...
Well, I still have to figure it out for myself.
That's exactly what worries me.It says you should drink the glass of Benzo right after drinking the glass of Sn.
But I'm wondering if Xanax is enough. Maybe I'll just buy what the guides recommend.
InterestedQuelqu'un sait combien de temps on peut conserver SN ?
I am new here , i couldn't find PPH for Sn method ( The right way to do it ) , can someone please share , i am gonna try anyways so it would be great if i do it the right way please .
That's pretty much what I had written down some time ago, if you have enough SN you should prepare another couple doses in case you throw up the first one. I hope you'll find your peace.I'm finally, really, about to go - I was very close a couple of times, but got better. Definitely not the case this time.
Unfortunately I won't have much time to read/research, so my quick question is this:
I've got the SN, I've also got Metoclopramide, nothing else.
It should be doable like this, right? Everything else should be optional?
What is the current regime?
Fast for 8 hours, then take 30mg of Meto, then wait 40 minutes and after that drink 25g of SN dissolved in 50ml water?
Is that correct?
Thank you, it really helps knowing that I have what I needThat's pretty much what I had written down some time ago, if you have enough SN you should prepare another couple doses in case you throw up the first one. I hope you'll find your peace.
Thank you, it really helps knowing that I have what I needThat's pretty much what I had written down some time ago, if you have enough SN you should prepare another couple doses in case you throw up the first one. I hope you'll find your peace.
The benefit is less risk of vomiting if you don't want to, but even then it's still a possibility. If you don't mind all you need to do is check how much time has passed after taking the SN and lying down, I don't remember exactly but it should only take a few minutes for your body to absorb it, if you vomit you just take another dose to make sure you have enough in your system. Also it should be fine to drink just a little bit to take the meto, but make sure to drink as little as possible because more water in your body means a higher chance of throwing up.Thank you, it really helps knowing that I have what I need
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I remember that some recommended taking Meto over about 24 hours (in 8 hour intervals, iirc) before using the SN.
Does anyone know if there are any benefits to that?
Oh, another question:
2 hours before taking the SN you're not supposed to drink anything anymore, right?
So, how do I take the Meto? Can i drink water to down the Meto?
AFAIK they're not necessary but shouldn't be a problem, after all people ctb'd before they updated the protocol. Don't know about the chocolate but I suppose rinsing with mouthwash would be a better option.Hello, I found that recently PPH removed antacids as a recommendation for SN, due to doubting its effect? Is there any downside to taking antacids, because I already have them, and if they have CHANCE to help I would like to take them, unless they are doing harm. The ones I have are just normal OTC chewable antacids btw.
Edit: Also would like to ask: Is it ok to just chew and spit a small piece of chocolate after drinking SN? Just to erase the taste.
The benefit is less risk of vomiting if you don't want to, but even then it's still a possibility. If you don't mind all you need to do is check how much time has passed after taking the SN and lying down, I don't remember exactly but it should only take a few minutes for your body to absorb it, if you vomit you just take another dose to make sure you have enough in your system. Also it should be fine to drink just a little bit to take the meto, but make sure to drink as little as possible because more water in your body means a higher chance of throwing up.
I don't see it mentioned anywhere, but I think it's also a good idea to lie down on your side, to avoid risking choking on your own vomit. Not a good way to die :(Got it.![]()
I don't suppose it makes a difference, but I'm not a doctor. For example I read once that for nausea and avoiding throwing up it's better to lie down on your left, but when I'm nauseous I feel better lying on my right. Also I suppose if your bed is against a wall, facing the other side would be better so that you don't end up vomiting on the bed. Maybe have a bag or something else ready to be able to vomit in it. Even if you're gonna ctb lying down surrounded by vomit is not very pleasant.Right or left?
With enough benzos would you even know your choking? Might actually speed the process up??I don't see it mentioned anywhere, but I think it's also a good idea to lie down on your side, to avoid risking choking on your own vomit. Not a good way to die :(
ThanksJe ne pense pas que ça change grand-chose, mais je ne suis pas médecin. Par exemple, j'ai lu un jour que pour les nausées et pour éviter les vomissements, il vaut mieux s'allonger sur le côté gauche, mais quand j'ai des nausées, je me sens mieux allongé sur le côté droit. De plus, si votre lit est contre un mur, il vaut mieux se mettre face à l'autre côté pour éviter de vomir. Prévoyez peut-être un sac ou autre chose pour pouvoir vomir dedans. Même si vous allez vomir, être allongé au milieu du vomi n'est pas très agréable.
I don't remember the exact threads, but from what I read I remember throwing up being fairly likely (it can even happen with table salt, let alone a literal poison), if your concern is the discomfort of vomiting the SN protocol includes instructions to follow before the day you ctb, though you might still throw up. If you're worried about having enough SN in your body, some people died even after throwing up one dose, as long as some minutes passed to allow the body to absorb it, but if you have another couple doses ready to drink you can do that and you should be able to ctb.Has anyone attempted SN/seen information from someone that attempted here on the forum? I would like to know how bad the urge to vomit is. I've had bad stomach days where I held in vomit for like 2 hours before finally giving up, so will I be fine with antiemetics?
Currently vomiting is my biggest concern. I also don't have benzos but I'm mentally prepared to lay down for at least 20 minutes.
Tysm! A couple more questions that popped in my head (I'm very close to ctb, like 1-2 days so asking everything that I can think of, sorry)I don't remember the exact threads, but from what I read I remember throwing up being fairly likely (it can even happen with table salt, let alone a literal poison), if your concern is the discomfort of vomiting the SN protocol includes instructions to follow before the day you ctb, though you might still throw up. If you're worried about having enough SN in your body, some people died even after throwing up one dose, as long as some minutes passed to allow the body to absorb it, but if you have another couple doses ready to drink you can do that and you should be able to ctb.
24 hours before drinking SN | Fasting, I've heard more is better so full 24 hours. (Due to my meal schedule, more like 28~ hours) | |
2 hours before drinking SN | Stop water (I will take some if I have trouble swallowing the pills without water, though I'm practicing this) | |
1 hour before drinking SN |
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45 minutes before drinking SN | 3 X 10mg Domperidone (30mg in total) | |
30 minutes before drinking SN | Double dose of what is recommended on the label of the antacid. (Recommended is 1-2 tablets, so I'm just going to eat 3) | |
Midnight | SN drink (1 backup drink prepared) |
Tysm! A couple more questions that popped in my head (I'm very close to ctb, like 1-2 days so asking everything that I can think of, sorry)
1ml of water = 1g of water, right? I don't have an accurate measuring cup and it might add to my time to get one so I'm thinking of just using the accurate digital scale I got for the SN to measure the water also.
I would like to record my experience after taking SN, minute by minute, for at least 5-10 minutes. I want to send each minute as a separate comment in my goodbye thread (so example: '12:01, no symptoms yet' and so on). The reason I want to drop them as individual comments is that I don't know when I might pass out, and if I send them as one message I might not be able to hit post in time before passing out. This way people can also know how much time it took me to pass out. The question here is: Are there any spam measures on the forum that could prevent my comments from being sent?
That's about it. SN will arrive today or tomorrow, at which point I will ctb at midnight. I guess I should also send my protocol for review:
24 hours before drinking SN Fasting, I've heard more is better so full 24 hours. (Due to my meal schedule, more like 28~ hours) 2 hours before drinking SN Stop water (I will take some if I have trouble swallowing the pills without water, though I'm practicing this) 1 hour before drinking SN
1000mg of paracetamol 45 minutes before drinking SN 3 X 10mg Domperidone (30mg in total) 30 minutes before drinking SN Double dose of what is recommended on the label of the antacid. (Recommended is 1-2 tablets, so I'm just going to eat 3) Midnight SN drink (1 backup drink prepared)