Resource Stability of SN and N

[Deleted member 65988]

Proper storage seems important or the SN can go bad. I had a container of 99%+ reagent grade SN with a malfunctioning cap that allowed the plastic bottle to give under pressure(Non-air tight seal) sitting undisturbed for 5 years. The SN degraded into Nitrate almost entirely (5-10% SN content) in those 5 years with the factory aluminum seal on the bottle being broken once, the bottle being opened exactly once, cap replaced, and stored undisturbed in those 5 years. So from my anecdotal experience it seems crucial to store it absolutely air tight, or it looks like it will go bad.

Absolutely right about all of that. Although the process of how fast it'll go bad seems rather slow

Have you tested that sn to see how good it still could be?

 

[Argo]

Absolutely right about all of that. Although the process of how fast it'll go bad seems rather slow

Have you tested that sn to see how good it still could be?

Yes, I tested it to give those numbers. I copied Broken_Alice's test(I think we had the same test strips too-- just the common onces you find on amazon if you search for nitrite/nitrate).

 

[KafkaF]

Honestly, I'm hesitant to try to order SN less cuz I think it'll go bad and more because it's apparently somewhat combustible.

Also worried about how to dispose of it if I can't go through with the CTB.

 

[Relic]

I find some NaNO2 online sold as a solution, and I think it's sold as a reagent, just wanna know if it's a reagent could I use it for the purpose of cbt?

If 97% or higher, this is higher concentration than the currently recommended amounts. Reagents are chemically as pure as possible.

The SN degraded into Nitrate almost entirely (5-10% SN content) in those 5 years with the factory aluminum seal on the bottle being broken once, the bottle being opened exactly once, cap replaced, and stored undisturbed in those 5 years.

Sounds about right, although a bit extreme. In a controlled environment (oxygenated, in a solution) the decomposition of nitrites is measured in minutes.

With test strips, was there a good repeatability? I would still do the mineral acid test. While the reaction occurs even with low concentrations, it would be less aggressive.

because it's apparently somewhat combustible

This is one way to test it. Nitrates mixed with sugar burn much faster and better than nitrites. But on its own it does not ignite.

 

[Meditation guide]

If 97% or higher, this is higher concentration than the currently recommended amounts. Reagents are chemically as pure as possible.


Sounds about right, although a bit extreme. In a controlled environment (oxygenated, in a solution) the decomposition of nitrites is measured in minutes.

With test strips, was there a good repeatability? I would still do the mineral acid test. While the reaction occurs even with low concentrations, it would be less aggressive.


This is one way to test it. Nitrates mixed with sugar burn much faster and better than nitrites. But on its own it does not ignite.

What is the mineral acid test? Thanks

 

[Relic]

What is the mineral acid test?

Requires ventilation, preferably done outside. For this purpose, H2SO4 (battery acid) or HCl (drain opener) are generally accessible. Just a small amount of acid poured on a sample of NaNO2 results in a cloud of nitrogen dioxide gas. It is reddish brown and unmistakable. The higher the concentration, the thicker and darker the cloud.

 

[heavyeyes]

Thank you for the reassurance <3 I've been panicking since my sn is about to be a year old and I'm scared it'll lose its potency before I'm ready to use it

 

[Deleted member 65988]

HCl (drain opener) are generally accessible.

Like as in the general drain opener you pour down a drain to unblock it?

 

[born2win]

Thank you for the reassurance <3 I've been panicking since my sn is about to be a year old and I'm scared it'll lose its potency before I'm ready to use it

Youre not the only one. I have my SN in the same double plastic bag purchased in June 2022. I still think it's pure as I read from somewhere here it's really hard to deter SN purity as long as it doesnt contact direct water or exposed to sun.

 

[Relic]

Like as in the general drain opener you pour down a drain to unblock it?

Yes, just there is a need to verify that it is hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid) and not the sodium hydroxide, which is more common as a drain opener around some parts of the world.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Yes, just there is a need to verify that it is hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid) and not the sodium hydroxide, which is more common as a drain opener around some parts of the world.

So it has to be hydrochloric acid, not sodium hydroxide. I think I may have some at home but I'll check first.

 

[Meditation guide]

Requires ventilation, preferably done outside. For this purpose, H2SO4 (battery acid) or HCl (drain opener) are generally accessible. Just a small amount of acid poured on a sample of NaNO2 results in a cloud of nitrogen dioxide gas. It is reddish brown and unmistakable. The higher the concentration, the thicker and darker the cloud.

And if it has turned to sodium nitrate what will it do?

 

[Relic]

And if it has turned to sodium nitrate what will it do?

Nitrate does not produce nitrogen dioxide in reaction with these acids. Commercially available curing salt can be used as a comparison, it will have a reaction, but it is not going to be significant. Sodium nitrite is an important chemical, there will always be a demand for it. Some crazy kids on YT are experimenting with it, and these videos can be used as a reference.

 

[carriel]

what lethal dosag? Hoq to factor food grade SN?
what lethal dosag? Hoq to factor food grade SN?
what lethal dosag? Hoq to factor food grade SN?
what lethal dosag? Hoq to factor food grade SN?

 

[Manfrotto99]

Proper storage seems important or the SN can go bad. I had a container of 99%+ reagent grade SN with a malfunctioning cap that allowed the plastic bottle to give under pressure(Non-air tight seal) sitting undisturbed for 5 years. The SN degraded into Nitrate almost entirely (5-10% SN content) in those 5 years with the factory aluminum seal on the bottle being broken once, the bottle being opened exactly once, cap replaced, and stored undisturbed in those 5 years. So from my anecdotal experience it seems crucial to store it absolutely air tight, or it looks like it will go bad.

Do you know how long the lid was broken for ?

 

[Argo]

Do you know how long the lid was broken for ?

Oh it was just faulty from the start, just a poor cap that didn't create an air tight seal "not working" as intended. I ignorantly broke the aluminum seal(which would have kept it safe) pretty much right away when I purchased it. So, poorly stored all those years.

 

[Relic]

broke the aluminum seal(which would have kept it safe)

Laminated or not? If there is one metal sodium nitrite reacts with, it is aluminum. To have a more aggressive reaction, moisture/water needs to be present, but from a safety standpoint, it's a strange behavior to use that material.

 

[Argo]

Laminated or not? If there is one metal sodium nitrite reacts with, it is aluminum. To have a more aggressive reaction, moisture/water needs to be present, but from a safety standpoint, it's a strange behavior to use that material.

Oh I'm not even sure what it was, but yeah some sort of laminated plastic metallic looking thing(its been many years). I'm sure it was well sealed out of the factory, it was reagent grade at a time when SN was sold openly and cheaply by public facing lab supply companies

 

[Relic]

Oh I'm not even sure what it was, but yeah some sort of laminated plastic metallic looking thing(its been many years). I'm sure it was well sealed out of the factory, it was reagent grade at a time when SN was sold openly and cheaply by public facing lab supply companies

Good to know. I should test my own sample, it has been sitting for over four years. The vendor was known for very high quality product. Not in the best bottle, but looked fine, as far as quality of the cap goes. Still not meant for long term storage. I used to collect chemicals for different hobby projects when I was "better", all of them shipped in short term storage containers. It has been like that for a long time, everyone tries to squeeze a penny.

 

[Argo]

Good to know. I should test my own sample, it has been sitting for over four years. The vendor was known for very high quality product. Not in the best bottle, but looked fine, as far as quality of the cap goes. Still not meant for long term storage. I used to collect chemicals for different hobby projects when I was "better", all of them shipped in short term storage containers. It has been like that for a long time, everyone tries to squeeze a penny.

Did you pop the seal on the bottle under the cap?

 

[Creekalalia]

Thank you for the information. this information gives me hope that for example, someone maybe had a bottle that they stored unopened since 2020 - but then opened in early January of 2024, but now would like to know in late February 2024 to that it is still "viable". Based on this information, I think, yes?

 

[Relic]

Did you pop the seal on the bottle under the cap?

It did not have a seal, as it was expected for the customer to replace containers or use the product immediately. Sellers generally assume that customers know what they are doing. Sodium nitrite has many uses, and no one was stockpiling it before the regulators went insane under the public pressure. Everyone bought fresh when there was a need.

 

[Manfrotto99]

Oh it was just faulty from the start, just a poor cap that didn't create an air tight seal "not working" as intended. I ignorantly broke the aluminum seal(which would have kept it safe) pretty much right away when I purchased it. So, poorly stored all those years.

ok, thank you for clarifying

 

[GenericUsername37]

Proper storage seems important or the SN can go bad. I had a container of 99%+ reagent grade SN with a malfunctioning cap that allowed the plastic bottle to give under pressure(Non-air tight seal) sitting undisturbed for 5 years. The SN degraded into Nitrate almost entirely (5-10% SN content) in those 5 years with the factory aluminum seal on the bottle being broken once, the bottle being opened exactly once, cap replaced, and stored undisturbed in those 5 years. So from my anecdotal experience it seems crucial to store it absolutely air tight, or it looks like it will go bad.

this scares me because i plan to attempt tonight but mine is from like 2021 and i opened it before

If 97% or higher, this is higher concentration than the currently recommended amounts. Reagents are chemically as pure as possible.


Sounds about right, although a bit extreme. In a controlled environment (oxygenated, in a solution) the decomposition of nitrites is measured in minutes.

With test strips, was there a good repeatability? I would still do the mineral acid test. While the reaction occurs even with low concentrations, it would be less aggressive.


This is one way to test it. Nitrates mixed with sugar burn much faster and better than nitrites. But on its own it does not ignite.

This seems directly contradictory to what users were originally claiming on this thread with it supposedly being a "highly stable compound."

 

[Relic]

This seems directly contradictory to what users were originally claiming on this thread with it supposedly being a "highly stable compound."

Nitrites react with oxygen, and the decomposition is rapid when oxygenated in a lab setting. At the same time, properly stored salt tested 99% after 30 years in storage. It was in a glass container, hermetically sealed. So it is highly stable when not making certain mistakes.

 

[blacksorrow]

interesting

 

[GenericUsername37]

Nitrites react with oxygen, and the decomposition is rapid when oxygenated in a lab setting. At the same time, properly stored salt tested 99% after 30 years in storage. It was in a glass container, hermetically sealed. So it is highly stable when not making certain mistakes.

understood. I am going to attempt to ctb with SN tonight. I hope it works I want my life to be over

 

[doggiesarecute]

I ordered SN but there were only 1 kilo option and it will come in a plastic bag. Will it be ok if I'll open it and pour some in 100mg plastic bottles to the brim (min amount of air).

1kg is too much to hide. I'll throw away what's left.

I'm also thinking about ordering some from another seller that sells it in sealed plastic bottles just to be sure.

 

[Relic]

Will it be ok if I'll open it and pour some in 100mg plastic bottles to the brim (min amount of air).

For how long you plan to store it? That bottle would probably be fine sort-term, and it will be a nuisance to get it in there and later out of there. But it is thin clear plastic meant for liquids. It would be best if you could find four 250cc bottles and keep everything. While you could probably flush the excess over a period of time, never throw this in the trash, no matter what.

 

[doggiesarecute]

For how long you plan to store it? That bottle would probably be fine sort-term, and it will be a nuisance to get it in there and later out of there. But it is thin clear plastic meant for liquids. It would be best if you could find four 250cc bottles and keep everything. While you could probably flush the excess over a period of time, never throw this in the trash, no matter what.

To be honest, I don't have an exact date for when I'm going to use it. I get really suicidal and It was just my way of calming myself, knowing that I have a somewhat peaceful way to go if things were to get bad for me (Afraid they might ban it in my country). So let's say for example, in about 5 years? I was planning to put it in a bottle using a small funnel and hide two bottles in different dark drawers.

Why would I need four 250cc bottles of it? 250cc alone is already too much. How do you suggest I get rid of the leftovers then? Reddit comments said that it's not a big deal and that you could throw it in the trash (in a sealed bag, obviously) or flush it down the sink because it's just salt.

I also want to order another one, it will look like this, presumably sealed, but I guess there might still be some air in it.