Suicide by zopiclone (or zolpidem)

[greggs66]

Hi all,

I looked up the guides on here for suicide and thr SN approach looks the best to be honest.
But I cant get SN; I can, however get zopicline and zolpidem and i wondered if anyone had insights into how much would be needed.
The articles online show about 20% of suicide through intoxicants is zopiclone related but usually with another intoxicant like alcohol.
I wondered if people knew what kind of dosage would be needed to go this was ans how long it might take as i cant find anything like that online.

Let me know please, I am boxed into a corner in what I can get and dont want to wake up in a psyche ward from a failed attempt.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

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[leloyon]

Nope. Nope. Absolutely not.
Also I know OP didn't mention this but felt like just putting it out there for anyone who may come to this thread wondering, the whole thing about "OD'ing on sleeping pills/antidepressants" comes from back when barbiturates were commonly prescribed for those purposes.

 

[greggs66]

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Hi you didnt write anything other than non-methods that should not be attempted. Why shouldnt it be attempted perhaps you could shed some light? I am struggling to find methods that can be attempted other than SN
Thanks for your time

Nope. Nope. Absolutely not.
Also I know OP didn't mention this but felt like just putting it out there for anyone who may come to this thread wondering, the whole thing about "OD'ing on sleeping pills/antidepressants" comes from back when barbiturates were commonly prescribed for those purposes.

Hi when you say nope nope absolutely not, why is that? There are papers with people dying using zopiclone and alcohol

 

[VoidButterfly]

So obviously the goal iwth zopiclone is the CNS depressant, that'd be why you'd mix it with alcohol (or some opiates). The trick is that it seems to be hard to induce a significant enough CNS depression to lead to death. I presume you've read all the same reports I have that zopiclone by itself even in intentional attempts at suicide just doesn't really do it. I got hold of some TCA meds which apparently amplify the effect, and I thought maybe with alcohol that'd be enough but I haven't tried that so I couldn't comment really. It just seems like a bit of a hit an miss method, and personally I don't think it's ever put me asleep enough (even with alcohol) that I wouldn't just wake up in the event of breathing difficulty? Not an expert on this to be clear, just sharing thoughts.

I have tried a zopiclone OD¹ without alcohol and it just didn't work. I woke up yellow, the middle of my tongue dissolved like sand in my mouth (never fully healed), and I was in a lot of pain. I never sought medical help and just recovered over a few days. Had I done a bit more damage I'd have died slowly of liver and eventual kidney failure, so not exactly the go to sleep and never wake up I was hoping for. Obviously your approach is a little more thought out but I just mean if it fails it's quite un-fun and I don't know how good the odds are of it being successful if you're otherwise healthy (obviously I don't know that you are, but I just mean in principle). I just don't think it's a reliable method and would recommend something else.

¹Whilst I don't have exact numbers, I tried to work out what I'd taken a little after recovering. The complete OD was around 150mg zopiclone, 2000mg of Sertaline, 500mg of dihydrocodeine, and 5000mg of paracetamol. The only numbers I've ever found on it suggested I might have needed to at least double that if not triple it, and mix with something else.

 

[greggs66]

So obviously the goal iwth zopiclone is the CNS depressant, that'd be why you'd mix it with alcohol (or some opiates). The trick is that it seems to be hard to induce a significant enough CNS depression to lead to death. I presume you've read all the same reports I have that zopiclone by itself even in intentional attempts at suicide just doesn't really do it. I got hold of some TCA meds which apparently amplify the effect, and I thought maybe with alcohol that'd be enough but I haven't tried that so I couldn't comment really. It just seems like a bit of a hit an miss method, and personally I don't think it's ever put me asleep enough (even with alcohol) that I wouldn't just wake up in the event of breathing difficulty? Not an expert on this to be clear, just sharing thoughts.

I have tried a zopiclone OD¹ without alcohol and it just didn't work. I woke up yellow, the middle of my tongue dissolved like sand in my mouth (never fully healed), and I was in a lot of pain. I never sought medical help and just recovered over a few days. Had I done a bit more damage I'd have died slowly of liver and eventual kidney failure, so not exactly the go to sleep and never wake up I was hoping for. Obviously your approach is a little more thought out but I just mean if it fails it's quite un-fun and I don't know how good the odds are of it being successful if you're otherwise healthy (obviously I don't know that you are, but I just mean in principle). I just don't think it's a reliable method and would recommend something else.

¹Whilst I don't have exact numbers, I tried to work out what I'd taken a little after recovering. The complete OD was around 150mg zopiclone, 2000mg of Sertaline, 500mg of dihydrocodeine, and 5000mg of paracetamol. The only numbers I've ever found on it suggested I might have needed to at least double that if not triple it, and mix with something else.

Thanks for your input voidbutterfly, reading your note was very interesting. What i would say is that from what ive read is doesnt lead to kidney or liver failure im thinking thats the paracetamol. I read its almost pointless to use paracetamol or antidepressants and just to use alcohol and over 250mg of zopiclone. Someone used a hayfever sedative with it ive forgotten then name. Im unkeen to use other drugs with it because if it goes wrong youre much more likely to suffer permanent side effects from what i understand?

 

[Romanticize]

man, zopiclone [or for that matter: zolpidem, or benzodiazepines, a much bigger brother of sleeping z-drugs] are STRONGLY ADVISED AGAINST to be used as a main suicide option.
They are HELPFUL with other methods, like SN, or just eliminating SI, anxiety and panic, but to induce death on their own? It's almost impossible to die over zopiclone OD alone. Sure, mixing with alcohol and going for a huge OD, death may occur but it's still very unreliable.

The only CNS depressant drug which delivers death reliably are strong opioids. Now, if you added oxy/morphine/heroin or fetty on top of that zopiclone, now we're talking. Zopiclone would potentiate opioids and the death would be peaceful, in your sleep. But zopiclone on it's own is not a death bringer. Advised is to include opioids or SN

 

[Forveleth]

Hi you didnt write anything other than non-methods that should not be attempted. Why shouldnt it be attempted perhaps you could shed some light? I am struggling to find methods that can be attempted other than SN

I really wish people would put at least one sentence whenever they did that instead of just responding with a thread.

Either way, if it is not clear that non-methods that should not be attempted, points out that ODs rarely work and most often cause more problems than they solve. So, your first question of your OD genuinely should not be attempted. To answer your second bit, if you haven't seen there is a general resource thread with information on other methods.

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[Romanticize]

ODs work but they need to be done with specific substances. After all, the top1 method- Nembutal is also a huge OD.
The problem is that most people don't educate themselves on it - in last 5 minutes I've seen 3 threads of people trying to OD on : zopiclone, anti-depressants, antipsychotics and acetaminophen.

99% of meds are a big NO for OD, even if they are prescription only. The only combo suitable for OD (reliable and painless, almost like Nembutal) is a big OD of opioid+benzodiazepine (and potentially with gabapentinoids like pregabalin). Need to mix a few CNS depressants so that their effect is a synergy.

However OD has such a bad reputation because people don't do it properly - wrong substances, no mix [or wrong mix, no synergy effect], and wrong dosage.

 

[JoaoBye]

You would need a lot of zolpidem and ods are pretty unreliable