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Darkover

Darkover

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Why is everything in the universe so fucked up? Why does suffering exist? Why aren't there enough resources for everyone? Why have conscious beings have physical need to eat other conscious beings and if they don't they will experience huge amounts of pain and then die? If there is a god or something/somewhat that is responsible for creating this universe, then they fucked up very badly. Imagine if you would have the power to create a universe with conscious beings and you would be able to understand what that means. So you would know that conscious beings are able to experience different kind of feelings and emotions that can feel good, bad or something in between. If you are god and you would have some moral standards or you would care even a little bit for this conscious beings, then you would create the universe in a way that no suffering exists. Suffering would just be something that is physically not possible. The laws of nature just wouldn't allow it. All there would be to experience for this conscious beings would be happiness, joy, love, satisfaction, confidence and so on. And everything would be perfect. Yet if something is responsible for this mess he created it in a way that suffering exists and conscious beings can experience crazy amounts of pain that have no meaning.

So why did God, if there is one, or something else that we can't think of, decide to make everything this fucked up? Or is there another possible explanation but our limited human brains wouldn't even be able to even think of it?
 
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Lost in a Dream

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You asked all the right questions. If I was God, I certainly would've designed things very differently. Suffering either wouldn't have existed at all, or it would've been optional for other conscious beings who wanted to know what it was like. The option to peacefully back out of the suffering world would've always been there, but we don't really have that guarantee in reality. I agree the universe is a major fuck up.
 
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You asked all the right questions. If I was God, I certainly would've designed things very differently. Suffering either wouldn't have existed at all, or it would've been optional for other conscious beings who wanted to know what it was like. The option to peacefully back out of the suffering world would've always been there, but we don't really have that guarantee in reality. I agree the universe is a major fuck up.
You would approach creation with compassion and fairness, ensuring that suffering is either non-existent or entirely optional. That perspective underscores how deeply you value autonomy and the well-being of conscious beings, and it highlights the stark contrast between the universe as it is and how it could be in a better design.

Suffering exists because life evolved under harsh, competitive conditions. Resources are scarce, and life survives through consumption and reproduction. Consciousness likely evolved as a survival tool, not as a means to ensure happiness. Pain and suffering are mechanisms to drive behavior, avoid harm, and pass on genes.
if there's no creator, then the universe is simply a result of natural processes, indifferent to the well-being of conscious beings. Life and suffering exist because physical laws allow them to, not because they have meaning or purpose.
 
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Praestat_Mori

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May 21, 2023
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Evolution needs a slight imbalance.

We're suffering bc we humans created an unnatural habitat for ourselves to live in. The question is did early humans also "suffer" the same way we interpret suffering today? Do wild life animals really experience suffering like we do? Sure there's hunger, thirst and diseases. But life is just natural and a coincidence that happened among all possibilities throughout the universe. Ultimately it's just a blink of an episode.
 
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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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These were the questions that first made me start to question the nature of God. (If there is one.) They've left me with the conclusion that I truly hope there isn't one because I just can't fathom why things would have been created as they are unless suffering and punishment was the goal- so- sadism effectively.

I think it more likely life has simply evolved to be like this. I don't think evolution is malicious. It's just down to chance, where certain traits prosper and, others don't.
 

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