Venting There is a new controversial thing in gaming

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

The banning of NSFW because of credit card companies. I don't care frankly. We were born how many years ago? we did nothing to keep these companies in check? stop whining? The original game that started this was a rape game iirc right? if I go to a company and demand they repaint my house and sign a contract but then they rebuild my fence when not asked, I CAN SUE THEM. It's people's fault it got this bad, keep seething that it's otherwise. Oh but we don't wanna boycott these companies or shoot CEO's , it's inhumane, then live in the reality which you created.

 

[WishfulNeanderthal]

I'll give my 2 cents as someone who used to review NSFW games for fun:

Fictional games even if disgusting or taboo should be allowed to exist, because it is fiction. Banning these kind of games will do nothing to help SA victims or frankly do anything good. It will do more harm than good because what is the harm in having nsfw games? If played by adults, nobody is harmed.

The collective shout group that did this frankly should get disbanded, they robbed 100's of indie developers of money, including games where an adult can safely explore sexual themes.

My general rules when it comes to these topics is:
1. Is somebody getting hurt?
2. Will the game/media lead to IRL harm?
3. Is it entirely fictional?

1. Nobody is getting hurt.
2. There is no evidence to games like battlefield or COD leading to shootings or increased violence, so why should NSFW games be any different?
3. Its all fictional, even if it disgusts me or you, there isnt actually a person there being harmed.

Tldr: Its unreasonable and immoral to ban these games IMO

 

[Satori Komeiji]

I'm not in a position to judge what people get off to (assuming it isn't illegal) and I don't think a shady mega-corporation should be in that position either. If anything it just shows how much these companies control us and how little we can do about it. It's sad, really.

 

[SummertimeSadGirl]

I feel you. I don't enjoy NSFW games of any kind but I wish people would take more of a stand against large companies and the like. Something like this will happen and after a month everybody has already moved and is back to giving those exact same companies their hard earned money. It just makes me sad that people let themselves get oppressed like that.

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

I don't care mainly but games that focus on belittling women sexually like that recent game on steam that was taken down because it was literally just a rape game as you know, and it's somthing people shouldn't overlook I agree especially when these games came about do to such desensitization towards things like sexual abuse in the real world, and porn plays a big role in that I do heartedly believe,, as it factually does effect and can effect how people perceive the other sex, I play some wild things so I can't judge much but I draw the line at games that solely abusive bottom line. GTA whatever! But shit like gal gun being able to sexualize minors that's a no no, not that I agree with adult sexualization either especially when in some games they allow you to look under the character's dress and when you do that character actually gets mad, mabye don't add the character getting mad I mean common it's a game, I'm gald many fight back when you try looking but why even have them fight back if what you do to them doesn't matter because there not real, because even tho they ain't real they resemble humans, people face.
I get games using dark themes for actual plot but gal gun don't do that! Though I think they've been getting allot controversy and so many of the game mechanics have been banned in certain places because of its leniency with allowing Users to sexualize minors, and yea they aren't real, but that's the literal excuse any perverted person uses to justify there immoral fetishes, but I do agree that gaming as a whole seems to be becoming more and more controversial,, I don't know if they'll be any justice there.

I can't describe how absolutely inhumane some games make one feel, imagine a game made to castrate men and degrade them not bad men just men,, that'd feel dee humanizing,, because it is, and it's showing you how people can view you, and will view you..to continuously perpetuate such games only makes what's going on in the game normalized, it desensitizes, and those effects can correlate to the real world, and I'm only talking about games soly made to hurt people, not even bad people because I could get with that, because there is a real difference in the way people choose to play, but to just hurt people, tsk weak, I like how GTA isn't soly for that it's obviously a big part of the game and you can f****** run over anyone you can kill people left and right but I'm talking actual games soly made for the degradation to torture someone sexually or physically just to be cruel,, to be cruel,
Idk if I make sense but I don't mind not making sense.

 

[Agon321]

I'm very liberal on this matter and believe that even the most disgusting things should be legal and possible in games. It's fiction, and I don't care what anyone does in fiction.

Another thing is that I don't like censorship, and as we know, censorship starts with small things and then expands to other aspects of life.
Therefore, even if I disagree with something, I'm not a supporter of censorship, because I know that today it might be them, and tomorrow it might be me.

 

[psp3000]

I pirate everything I decide to play in order not to support certain platforms or just because I can't afford certain games at certain times so I am confused about the meaning or main idea of the post

if someone really wants to play NSFW games that badly they will find a way to get them or play them legally or illegally

I don't think people are actually mad at the corporations
I assume they are just mad it will be less easy for them to access such games (not NSFW games in general just the ones about rape, incest, and pedophilia)

is it really banning or censorship if it will most likely just be moved to another platform that may be publically available, on the original developers site (I am pretty sure that was the aftermath of the referenced situation), or on just an NSFW gaming platform, or even archived as this is nothing new / this has happened before

or is this a thing/rule in place on more than one platform ? (I live under a rock)

 

[WishfulNeanderthal]

I pirate everything I decide to play in order not to support certain platforms or just because I can't afford certain games at certain times so I am confused about the meaning or main idea of the post

if someone really wants to play NSFW games that badly they will find a way to get them or play them legally or illegally

I don't think people are actually mad at the corporations
I assume they are just mad it will be less easy for them to access such games (not NSFW games in general just the ones about rape, incest, and pedophilia)

is it really banning or censorship if it will most likely just be moved to another platform that may be publically available, on the original developers site (I am pretty sure that was the aftermath of the referenced situation), or on just an NSFW gaming platform, or even archived as this is nothing new / this has happened before

or is this a thing/rule in place on more than one platform ? (I live under a rock)

I think its more than people wanting disgusting games (imo), if a huge corporation is able to censor an entire platform, what will they go for next? LGBTQI+? Furries?

Moving to a new platform results in a huge loss of sales, especially since steam and itch io was huge platforms for these developers. If we want to look at this problem, we have to look at it logically and not emotionally.

Emotionally ofc i despise all the aforementioned games, but logically it hurts noone. Unlike what @YandereMikuMistress said, games does not neccesarily influence or increase the likelyhood of IRL stuff happening.

I'll link some studies if y'all request it, but yeah i dont think banning or censoring games is the right choice, i've already seen anecdotal experiences of SA survivors using NSFW games to process trauma, these games can be a tool just like a COD game could be used for anger management.

 

[InversedShadow]

Nobody asks for consent of companies that are supposed to only be a service for doing payments, it's absurd they're trying to monitor what kinds of things a user can buy and prevent people from making transactions..

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

I think its more than people wanting disgusting games (imo), if a huge corporation is able to censor an entire platform, what will they go for next? LGBTQI+? Furries?

Moving to a new platform results in a huge loss of sales, especially since steam and itch io was huge platforms for these developers. If we want to look at this problem, we have to look at it logically and not emotionally.

Emotionally ofc i despise all the aforementioned games, but logically it hurts noone. Unlike what @YandereMikuMistress said, games does not neccesarily influence or increase the likelyhood of IRL stuff happening.

I'll link some studies if y'all request it, but yeah i dont think banning or censoring games is the right choice, i've already seen anecdotal experiences of SA survivors using NSFW games to process trauma, these games can be a tool just like a COD game could be used for anger management.

I didn't say it does I was just trying to poorly say it can, sorry I understand not everyone agrees with me I don't mean to come off passive aggressively and I'm worrying I am but there's no doubt that games can effect people aswell as porn and many other things, but I even play cod its the way the game is played, and games that are specifically for personal explicit torture to inflicte onto other people is unreasonable and has no place in being an accessable game and that's just a personal opinion

 

[WishfulNeanderthal]

I didn't say it does I was just trying to poorly say it can, sorry I understand not everyone agrees with me I don't mean to come off passive aggressively and I'm worrying I am but there's no doubt that games can effect people aswell as porn and many other things, but I even play cod its the way the game is played, and games that are specifically for personal explicit torture to inflicte onto other people is unreasonable and has no place in being an accessable game and that's just a personal opinion

No no, ur okay. But im just saying that we cannot ban games just on the potential of some people being affected by them, banning fictional content just because it disgusts us (excluding illegal content ofc) just doesnt make a difference, nobody is being hurt.

 

[Namelesa]

I assume this is talking about games being banned off steam or is this effecting other platforms? What i am really worried about this ban is it effecting other mature themed games that don't even have any porn, mainly Coffin of Andy and Leyley. I don't want games that i enjoy partially from these themes just cus others are disgusted by it when its only fictional.

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

No no, ur okay. But im just saying that we cannot ban games just on the potential of some people being affected by them, banning fictional content just because it disgusts us (excluding illegal content ofc) just doesnt make a difference, nobody is being hurt.

Yea I agree with that more and which I'm pretty bad at doing but "excluding illegal content" won me, because at first I'm like does this man want to allow games that's only want to show graphical depictions of grotesque acts but i made myself laugh here relieved by your reply

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Yeah I don't have a problem with normal NSFW games, I have a problem with pedo ones and rape ones but that's besides this point, I always had a problem with them, even 6 years ago.

The problem is that people act so surprised when this happened, like if we had them by the balls like we should, this wouldn't have happened. Every single time something happens in the gaming community I just shrug knowing they all deserve it tbh, from my point of view. I don't care, they showed time and time again that they will eat slop, they will pay. And once in a bluemoon they act like hypocritees and vote with their wallets, gtfo.

My general rules when it comes to these topics is:
1. Is somebody getting hurt?
2. Will the game/media lead to IRL harm?
3. Is it entirely fictional?

1. Nobody is getting hurt.
2. There is no evidence to games like battlefield or COD leading to shootings or increased violence, so why should NSFW games be any different?
3. Its all fictional, even if it disgusts me or you, there isnt actually a person there being harmed.

Tldr: Its unreasonable and immoral to ban these games IMO

Yeah but in COD I don't get a boner killing people, do I? I don't get dopamine because I'm killing them either, it's just a game like any other, I like tracking , I get dopamine from executing good tracking for example.

The pedo games for example you get off jacking off to the idea of a child? how is that even remotely the same thing? Like unironically here, maybe I missed some meeting where we learned about this stuff but there is a difference.

 

[psp3000]

I think its more than people wanting disgusting games (imo), if a huge corporation is able to censor an entire platform, what will they go for next? LGBTQI+? Furries?

I wouldn't compare the issue of pedophilia or being a pedophile, being into rape, or being into incest (and various other taboos)
to being gay although there have been numerous attempts by those individuals trying to force or insert themselves/their attraction into the LGBTQ+ with groups such as MAPs and NAMBLA and Radqueers or whatever that new term is called

I also wouldn't compare such things to wanting to put on an anthrophromophic animal suit unless people still confuse being a Furry with being a zoophile or zoosadist or being into beastiality

Emotionally ofc i despise all the aforementioned games, but logically it hurts noone. Unlike what YandereMikuMistress said, games does not neccesarily influence or increase the likelyhood of IRL stuff happening.

I think when it comes to such subject matter there could be a chance that could influence or increase the likelihood of such crimes and sexual violence happening

but also I am unsure because I don't know if such games (NSFW games in general both of the normal variety and of the variety being talked about here) would fit under voyeurism or not or would count as voyeurism

I have recently learned/heard that not all voyeurs turn out to be rapists but that all rapists have been voyeurs at some point so now with the advancement of video games or how realistic they can be to cater to certain things or "fantasies"

I wonder if this (games about rape, incest, and pedophilia) is just voyeurism lite and then once someone indulges in a lot of that content will they then go onto real illegal voyeurism and the normal steps/progression of a sexual predator ?

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

I assume this is talking about games being banned off steam or is this effecting other platforms? What i am really worried about this ban is it effecting other mature themed games that don't even have any porn, mainly Coffin of Andy and Leyley. I don't want games that i enjoy partially from these themes just cus others are disgusted by it when its only fictional.

I didn't have time to answer this day but YES , which is why it pisses me off DOUBLE TIME. First because it uses the assumption of pedophilic games and rapist games to further destroy something else. I don't think it's controversial to say that these games should exist in very limited fashion if at all , they should be in the corners of the internet not on the front page of steam and SECOND because just NOW did most people realise or at least that's how they show it; that these credit card companies and even something like paypal tbh are just insanely restrictive, they want absolute control.

It just pissed me off twice and it also pissed me off that everyone is talking about it like it's black and white... IT SHOULDN'T BE! we can pick and choose what actions we take against X , that doesn't mean Y or Z should be affected. And we can also choose WHO will be our messenger, it CAN'T be the credit card companies and it shouldn't be , it should be a petition signed by many people. Right now it wasn't like that but it's also because people are very content with being at the bottom of the boot in gaming industry and hobby.

 

[WishfulNeanderthal]

I wouldn't compare the issue of pedophilia or being a pedophile, being into rape, or being into incest (and various other taboos)
to being gay although there have been numerous attempts by those individuals trying to force or insert themselves/their attraction into the LGBTQ+ with groups such as MAPs and NAMBLA and Radqueers or whatever that new term is called

I also wouldn't compare such things to wanting to put on an anthrophromophic animal suit unless people still confuse being a Furry with being a zoophile or zoosadist or being into beastiality



I think when it comes to such subject matter there could be a chance that could influence or increase the likelihood of such crimes and sexual violence happening

but also I am unsure because I don't know if such games (NSFW games in general both of the normal variety and of the variety being talked about here) would fit under voyeurism or not or would count as voyeurism

I have recently learned/heard that not all voyeurs turn out to be rapists but that all rapists have been voyeurs at some point so now with the advancement of video games or how realistic they can be to cater to certain things or "fantasies"

I wonder if this (games about rape, incest, and pedophilia) is just voyeurism lite and then once someone indulges in a lot of that content will they then go onto real illegal voyeurism and the normal steps/progression of a sexual predator ?

Ah you misunderstand, im not comparing those things to eachother. I absolutely do not think that LGBTQI+ or furries should be compared with bestiality or pedophilia.

What I meant is that giving these large corporations power to censor things increases the likelyhood for them to censor minorities and/or sexualities they do not like. So please do not misunderstand me on this ^^

Regarding if these kind of games can affect or influence individuals to commit crimes in the future, I think thats similar to the whole "game causes violence" debate, those kind of individuals will commit their crimes no matter if those games exist or not because they are monsters.

That said, I believe (As long as the game is legal, and even if it handles taboo or dark topics) that while yes it can influence people, some NSFW games can be used as a tool to safely explore themes or trauma. And the majority of NSFW games dont even go near these topics at all.

At the end of the day, we cannot possibly know if a fictional game that disgusts us will lead to real life crimes, we just simply cant. And we cannot ban a game out of a possibility.

Yeah I don't have a problem with normal NSFW games, I have a problem with pedo ones and rape ones but that's besides this point, I always had a problem with them, even 6 years ago.

The problem is that people act so surprised when this happened, like if we had them by the balls like we should, this wouldn't have happened. Every single time something happens in the gaming community I just shrug knowing they all deserve it tbh, from my point of view. I don't care, they showed time and time again that they will eat slop, they will pay. And once in a bluemoon they act like hypocritees and vote with their wallets, gtfo.

Yeah but in COD I don't get a boner killing people, do I? I don't get dopamine because I'm killing them either, it's just a game like any other, I like tracking , I get dopamine from executing good tracking for example.

The pedo games for example you get off jacking off to the idea of a child? how is that even remotely the same thing? Like unironically here, maybe I missed some meeting where we learned about this stuff but there is a difference.

I'd like to clarify that i agree that illegal games should for sure be banned. The argument i was making was an example of the "Games causes violence" debate, where yes there are differences of course, but at the same time games does not have a neccesary causality towards IRL crimes.

Anyways i have enjoyed this debate, thank you. I wish you both a wonderful day :3

 

[Hellis]

Today is a good day to be sexually dead inside.

I fear this is going to show worse things to come, bet this is just the beginning. It's already insane how surgery requires the consent of people uninvolved in your life, I'm surprised these limitations weren't presented sooner.

Don't have to have libido to know it's bullshit though.