Venting They stole our right to escape extreme torture

[KillingPain267]

I believe religion exists as a form of class control to help the wealthy class control the lower classes.

Almost every religion says "Don't rebel now and be good. If you work like a slave, heaven awaits. if you rebel and are bad, hell awaits." I think religions also added in a bunch of stuff that lower class people agreed with so they would be more likely to accept the fantasy.

They hate suicide because religion says it's bad, and religion says it's bad because wealthy people couldn't control poor people without religion.

Also, allowing suicide denies that the wealthy and the government control and ownership of the bodies of their workers. They want complete and total control and if someone takes their own life, they don't have power over them.

It also upsets the people who are still left and alive when someone chooses to die.

That is way too simplistic. Maybe certain kinds of organized religion or interpretations of them, but religious beliefs and rituals in general also exist in hunter gatherer tribes as well, where it is known that nobody really "controls the masses". The elites in "civilized" societies use all kinds of things to control the masses (media, law, philosophy, even science), not just religion. But religion goes wayyyy back before civilization.

The interpretation of Christianity I believe in specifically rejects the "Don't rebel now and be good. If you work like a slave, heaven awaits. if you rebel and are bad, hell awaits." Instead, nobody is good, all have sinned, and to avoid hell you just have to trust that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. Then your fate is sealed if Jesus is your savior by faith, no matter how much you sin and rebel. So to me, nobody can control me through religion by fear of afterlife.

 

[justanotherdaynow]

I hate the exclusivity of peaceful death. Why should it only be available to those with access to the Swiss clinic with *the right* conditions, as decided by someone that's not got your body and your headspace, doesn't live your experiences. Why should people have to travel to Peru? My sister in law is Belgian and she will be able to end her life painlessly when she wants to. That's just wrong. It shouldn't depend on your nationality, age, anything. Someone could benefit from my body right now who wanted it. They could use my heart or other organs. I could even be used as fuel. But no…. On we go, suffering coz people fancy themselves at playing god.

Exactly right. No one should get to play god and decide when anyone else is ready to die. People should not have to wither away in nursing homes, die alone, have excruciating pain, or suffer from chronic illness. It's cruel. But the reason why we have to is that our lives don't truly belong to us. If they did, then we would have a right to a peaceful death. So long as someone can profit off our suffering, we will continue to suffer.

 

[DeadManLiving]

Because the economic apparatus requires you remain alive by compulsion instead of by choice, otherwise profits would not be made. It's all a business, and if there aren't enough shanks that are working or broken enough to run the hamster wheel then society falls apart. Healthcare and especially nursing homes are particularly accretive to this business and the longer people remain alive the more profits there are to churn from medicaid, Medicare and those with good insurance.

Under more modern social contract theory the government and the people have responsibility for keeping one another alive. While this is tainted with a savior complex and ideas from the Church too, the reality is that it is more profitable for certain sectors to keep you living in a state of perpetual damage control and minimally operating but at least pulling some weight in terms of economic rents than zero once dead.

Change in the correct direction would require mass protests, pacts and significant energy which suicidals generally do not have the sufficiency of, resulting in more barriers and suicide controls which take away the means of a peaceful exit and create the conditions for more suffering without any due process or accountability just good sharply dealt accounting.

 

[divinemistress36]

Its crazy with all the suffering there is people continue to constantly breed . Hormones and emotions override logic but its still crazy

 

[Trappednocure]

I have been in contact some with dgn asking for the possibility of assisted death since my case is severe depression causef by wide spread contagious incureable disease.

They are not entirely against it but they would need things like a lot of psychiatric reports and its a long process for them to even be real about considering it.

So it would be a long process for a maybe which sucks.
Might just be way easier for me to get it in Peru then since Im there.

Because the economic apparatus requires you remain alive by compulsion instead of by choice, otherwise profits would not be made. It's all a business, and if there aren't enough shanks that are working or broken enough to run the hamster wheel then society falls apart. Healthcare and especially nursing homes are particularly accretive to this business and the longer people remain alive the more profits there are to churn from medicaid, Medicare and those with good insurance.

Under more modern social contract theory the government and the people have responsibility for keeping one another alive. While this is tainted with a savior complex and ideas from the Church too, the reality is that it is more profitable for certain sectors to keep you living in a state of perpetual damage control and minimally operating but at least pulling some weight in terms of economic rents than zero once dead.

Change in the correct direction would require mass protests, pacts and significant energy which suicidals generally do not have the sufficiency of, resulting in more barriers and suicide controls which take away the means of a peaceful exit and create the conditions for more suffering without any due process or accountability just good sharply dealt accounting.

Nah, I dont think society benefits from keeping severly depressef people alive at least not in free healthcare countries.