Discussion Thoughts on current politics?

[Rudi]

Since everyone has their own views on politics, I'd like to know what your thoughts on current politics are — the country doesn't matter.

This isn't made to start fights or anything but to rather discuss and talk about own opinions.

 

[Pluto]

Cat for president:
- 0 day working week
- legalise everything
- sleep all day
- unlimited free entitlements

 

[Rudi]

View attachment 152714Cat for president:
- 0 day working week
- legalise everything
- sleep all day
- unlimited free entitlements

I like this one. Would definitely vote for him as president!

 

[Ironborn]

My own view is voting makes no difference whatsoever, we live in a uni party world where politicians no matter what coloured rosette have their snouts in the same trough.
Politicians loyalties lie where the most money is.
They also tend to be absolute mid-wits who scream to me middle-management, busy bodies whose actual use to a business nobody actually knows but they somehow keep failing upward.

 

[astr4]

karl marx was right

 

[pyx]

too many hoc seditionists on the scene, imo

 

[yellowjester]

nietzsche and marx were right

 

[untothedepths]

its going to hell. i dont think things are going to get better. some of humanity is so sadistic. people in power have serious mental illness. too bad everyone else falls before they usually do. people who call the shots cant take the heat from the fires they set.

i want peace and good will to man but thats hippy bullshit apparently. but, its ok. im not afraid of a looming bomb threat.

 

[Rudi]

nietzsche and marx were right

im rather a centrist but i agree with this sm

its going to hell. i dont think things are going to get better. some of humanity is so sadistic. people in power have serious mental illness. too bad everyone else falls before they usually do. people who call the shots cant take the heat from the fires they set.

i want peace and good will to man but thats hippy bullshit apparently. but, its ok. im not afraid of a looming bomb threat.

RIGHT.
some politicians genuinely scare me, esp the ones who r against simple human rights.

my country is going down because of that its so insane

 

[untothedepths]

im rather a centrist but i agree with this sm

RIGHT.
some politicians genuinely scare me, esp the ones who r against simple human rights.

my country is going down because of that its so insane

mine too. and no one can do anything about it because enough people will either vote for something terrible or the people in power will do it anyway.

 

[Rudi]

mine too. and no one can do anything about it because enough people will either vote for something terrible or the people in power will do it anyway.

I honestly wish that only decent people would have permission to be politicians.
The far left and the far right ones genuinely have me concerned and scared the most.
And the worst thing is that those parties usually get the most votes.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'll believe anything and support anyone as long as I directly gain from it. I'm also willing to vote based on what's funny to me or what feels like it'll make the most people angry or also change my opinions to whatever just to get people to like me.

For example, a few years ago there was a local ballot measure called "Measure PP". I have no idea what Measure PP was supposed to do. For all I cared it could have increased the tax rate to 110%, mandated all immigrant children be rounded up and executed, and funded fifty useless Olympics buildings and I still would have voted for it. I just thought it would be funny to vote for "measure peepee" so I voted yes on it.

 

[Rudi]

I'll believe anything and support anyone as long as I directly gain from it. I'm also willing to vote based on what's funny to me or what feels like it'll make the most people angry or also change my opinions to whatever just to get people to like me.

For example, a few years ago there was a local ballot measure called "Measure PP". I have no idea what Measure PP was supposed to do. For all I cared it could have increased the tax rate to 110%, mandated all immigrant children be rounded up and executed, and funded fifty useless Olympics buildings and I still would have voted for it. I just thought it would be funny to vote for "measure peepee" so I voted yes on it.

now this is crazy but it made me laugh

 

[struggles_inc]

As a Russian, I'm done with literally every politician ever. The good ones have already been killed. There's no one to trust and nothing to believe in.

 

[untothedepths]

I honestly wish that only decent people would have permission to be politicians.
The far left and the far right ones genuinely have me concerned and scared the most.
And the worst thing is that those parties usually get the most votes.

so true. they play on peoples fear and naivety.

 

[Rudi]

As a Russian, I'm done with literally every politician ever. The good ones have already been killed. There's no one to trust and nothing to believe in.

as a german, same here with my politicians. and parties.

so true. they play on peoples fear and naivety.

RIGHT and then they try defending that too

 

[Ferdinand Bardamu]

If only Paetel wasn't purged in the Night of the Long Knives.

 

[Lost Magic]

Complete shit show.

 

[Rudi]

Complete shit show.

AGREED

If only Paetel wasn't purged in the Night of the Long Knives.

kinda kinda kinda real

 

[SilentSadness]

They are mostly just selfish and power hungry, they don't seem to have any problem lying straightly and the world keeps getting worse so they're not doing anything useful. Most people just vote for whoever is standing against the person they hate to death and the people who actually support their candidate are the worst. Many of the politicians are so detached from reality it's sick, it's like they live in a childrens' cartoon and it's embarrassing. It's completely hopeless.

 

[Rudi]

They are mostly just selfish and power hungry, they don't seem to have any problem lying straightly and the world keeps getting worse so they're not doing anything useful. Most people just vote for whoever is standing against the person they hate to death and the people who actually support their candidate are the worst. Many of the politicians are so detached from reality it's sick, it's like they live in a childrens' cartoon and it's embarrassing. It's completely hopeless.

literally no politician seems decent enough to deserve being voted for anymore.

 

[Hvergelmir]

I think western democracy is coming to an end.

In AI development, there's frequent talk about alignment problems. Essentially, the scoring function - whatever metrics you use to measure success, leads the system astray.

I think this applies for any evolving system, also ones composed of people. In democracy the scoring function is very simple: the score is the amount of votes. As our understanding for how to get votes increases, I think the system is optimized for that. The original purpose of democracy - peace, stability and prosperity, becomes secondary and eventually irrelevant.

As a counter example; in sports and games, the rule sets are changed in an authoritative manner, to keep the competition on track. If you come up with a powerful tactic that goes against the spirit of the game, it will no longer be allowed, the next season. If spear throwing competitions would be judged simply by how far you can throw a spear, the spears would likely be rocket powered.
An authoritative body nudging democratic elections in the right direction, is however not compatible with democracy.

Maybe authoritarianism is better in the long run, or maybe turbulent cycles are a necessity, I don't know.
Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 8119]

karl marx was right

Communists when their leaders get corrupted consistently and every single time:

 

[Elenysium]

Voting always feels like trying to figure out the lesser evil.

 

[N7_Alliance_Marine]

It's either vote for the devil or vote for another devil. Both are bad, but one is likely not going to align with you as much as the other. Just pick the one that's less bad in your eyes, it's only thing you really can do.