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KillingPain267

KillingPain267

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Everything I do or say is not good enough for anyone. I'm not really loved. Never have been and never will be. I told my mom that it's unethical to have kids because the kids are not asked for their consent. I said my suffering could have been prevented if she chose not to make me. She of course felt offended personally and almost freaked out, showing that it's all about muh feeeelings, not about MY feelings or even philosophical ethics. I also told my dad that I wished to die, and he said it would make HIM feel bad. So much for selflessness, lol.

I don't blame them or anyone, it's natural, but I give up the concept that humans are actually loving and good. That applies to family as well. Feelings of empathy are not proof that humans are loving. In fact it's again egocentric. If I truly care for someone, I should treat them well even if I find them repugnant or even despise them. That's the true test, not whether I feel warm inside or a tear in my eye by merely seeing them suffer and not doing anything about it.

My family, who fears I'll harm myself, just want to prevent it for their own emotional comfort. That's the harsh truth. In reality I am just a burden and nuisance. Never is it about what I want. When you think about it, your family of all people could be assisting you in exiting, making sure it's peaceful and successful, but no. Most family and "friends" just don't want to observe death and cry. It's entirely selfish.

Therapists and psychiatrists also only "help" because they get paid and/or because not preventing suicides brings them into legal trouble or at least neglect of work duties. They would not risk their careers in order to help you in what would truly end your suffering, even though they have access to the best drugs and sedatives to guarantee a peaceful exit.

Don't even get started on what society and the economy requires of you. Most systems, even complete egalitarian communism are close to slavery because you can't just opt out of contributing and they would still give you food and shelter unconditionally.

Marriage and sexual relationships are mostly based on either pure selfish momentary pleasure, discomfort of being alone, getting validation or cultural tradition. Or all of the above. Having children? Most of that is motivated by the chance to enjoy looking at cuteness, to populate abstract concepts such as lineage and nation and for your own personal nurse in old age. Reproducing yourself has to also be one of the most narcissistic things to ever exist. Why are you so great that you should be replicated?

Unconditional love doesn't exist. Yes, not even your mom truly loves you, sorry to say. Deal with it and it might give you a lot of emotional freedom. I have less and less demands for others and I judge them less, because I know they can't help but be selfish. I am selfish, so why would they be any different?

True love would mean complete surrender of self to the need of others. You should be willing to amputate limbs and be tortured for the most vile hated enemy of yours, that you forgive every time they hurt you again, if you're a person practicing true love. The faster we realize this, the sooner we can evolve (or phase out the human race).
 
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amomentspeace

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Everything I do or say is not good enough for anyone. I'm not really loved. Never have been and never will be. I told my mom that it's unethical to have kids because the kids are not asked for their consent. I said my suffering could have been prevented if she chose not to make me. She of course felt offended personally and almost freaked out, showing that it's all about muh feeeelings, not about MY feelings or even philosophical ethics. I also told my dad that I wished to die, and he said it would make HIM feel bad. So much for selflessness, lol.

I don't blame them or anyone, it's natural, but I give up the concept that humans are actually loving and good. That applies to family as well. Feelings of empathy are not proof that humans are loving. In fact it's again egocentric. If I truly care for someone, I should treat them well even if I find them repugnant or even despise them. That's the true test, not whether I feel warm inside or a tear in my eye by merely seeing them suffer and not doing anything about it.

My family, who fears I'll harm myself, just want to prevent it for their own emotional comfort. That's the harsh truth. In reality I am just a burden and nuisance. Never is it about what I want. When you think about it, your family of all people could be assisting you in exiting, making sure it's peaceful and successful, but no. Most family and "friends" just don't want to observe death and cry. It's entirely selfish.
Sorry you're being treated poorly by the people that brought you here in the first place. It's such a big cruelty that people don't even realize they're committing. I;m wishing you the best, for what it's worth.

Everything you say about true love is true. However, I would still like to believe that people are still happy despite that. Sure, true love isn't real, but a real relationship is about helping and being helped. There's something there that I am not articulate or intelligent enough to make explicit. Having kids tho is really cruel no matter what, as the baby is a non-consenting party. Who even would want a baby in this fucked up world? That is something I truly do'nt understand. Stay well !! <3
 
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zentiiicharcoal

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Everything I do or say is not good enough for anyone. I'm not really loved. Never have been and never will be. I told my mom that it's unethical to have kids because the kids are not asked for their consent. I said my suffering could have been prevented if she chose not to make me. She of course felt offended personally and almost freaked out, showing that it's all about muh feeeelings, not about MY feelings or even philosophical ethics. I also told my dad that I wished to die, and he said it would make HIM feel bad. So much for selflessness, lol.

I don't blame them or anyone, it's natural, but I give up the concept that humans are actually loving and good. That applies to family as well. Feelings of empathy are not proof that humans are loving. In fact it's again egocentric. If I truly care for someone, I should treat them well even if I find them repugnant or even despise them. That's the true test, not whether I feel warm inside or a tear in my eye by merely seeing them suffer and not doing anything about it.

My family, who fears I'll harm myself, just want to prevent it for their own emotional comfort. That's the harsh truth. In reality I am just a burden and nuisance. Never is it about what I want. When you think about it, your family of all people could be assisting you in exiting, making sure it's peaceful and successful, but no. Most family and "friends" just don't want to observe death and cry. It's entirely selfish.

Therapists and psychiatrists also only "help" because they get paid and/or because not preventing suicides brings them into legal trouble or at least neglect of work duties. They would not risk their careers in order to help you in what would truly end your suffering, even though they have access to the best drugs and sedatives to guarantee a peaceful exit.

Don't even get started on what society and the economy requires of you. Most systems, even complete egalitarian communism are close to slavery because you can't just opt out of contributing and they would still give you food and shelter unconditionally.

Marriage and sexual relationships are mostly based on either pure selfish momentary pleasure, discomfort of being alone, getting validation or cultural tradition. Or all of the above. Having children? Most of that is motivated by the chance to enjoy looking at cuteness, to populate abstract concepts such as lineage and nation and for your own personal nurse in old age. Reproducing yourself has to also be one of the most narcissistic things to ever exist. Why are you so great that you should be replicated?

Unconditional love doesn't exist. Yes, not even your mom truly loves you, sorry to say. Deal with it and it might give you a lot of emotional freedom. I have less and less demands for others and I judge them less, because I know they can't help but be selfish. I am selfish, so why would they be any different?

True love would mean complete surrender of self to the need of others. You should be willing to amputate limbs and be tortured for the most vile hated enemy of yours, that you forgive every time they hurt you again, if you're a person practicing true love. The faster we realize this, the sooner we can evolve (or phase out the human race).
I unconditional love someone to the greatest extent and always did show that. She has thrown me away in the harshest way. what it seems to me, is that it's not that unconditional love doesnt exist, but that it's rarely if at all reciprocated from the other party. That's just my opinion though
 
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KillingPain267

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I unconditional love someone to the greatest extent and always did show that. She has thrown me away in the harshest way. what it seems to me, is that it's not that unconditional love doesnt exist, but that it's rarely if at all reciprocated from the other party. That's just my opinion though
Yes, I don't deny that it does exist rarely. Me also, I was betrayed and discarded like I'm a piece of trash. Yet I try to still forgive and love that person. But I still have the narcissistic tendency that I want to get some form of justice or be taken back or at least that this person should not be happy with someone else.
 
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zentiiicharcoal

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Yes, I don't deny that it does exist rarely. Me also, I was betrayed and discarded like I'm a piece of trash. Yet I try to still forgive and love that person. But I still have the narcissistic tendency that I want to get some form of justice or be taken back or at least that this person should not be happy with someone else.
Yeah. I understand that. I wont say the thought hasn't crossed my mind to ctb at her house, for her to return to. but not trying to do anything crazy
 
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lotus11

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May 18, 2019
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Yes all of this is relatable. But I do currently feel like the main reason I'm staying alive is so not to upset my family...despite having a pretty bad relationship with my family a lot of my life
 
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KillingPain267

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Yeah. I understand that. I wont say the thought hasn't crossed my mind to ctb at her house, for her to return to. but not trying to do anything crazy
I don't really think in terms of me doing anything vengeful. I mean more in a karma way of things, where justice comes through something not of my origin. Those thoughts have crossed my mind a lot, but then I always return to pity.
 
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zentiiicharcoal

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Yeah i understood whaat you meant, i was just sharing my personal thought. My ex has bpd. All of her relationships are bound to suffering.
 
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KillingPain267

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Yeah i understood whaat you meant, i was just sharing my personal thought. My ex has bpd. All of her relationships are bound to suffering.
In that case, at least you don't have to take it that personal, since it's an inherent flaw in her not in you. Mine was the first and only love of my life, married 8 years full of memories of love and cuddles, then suddenly I was discarded. It confused my brain so much that I doubt almost everything I thought was true and good including the motives of myself and my family. I am nearly completely hardened to emotions now. I watch gore videos like it's watching a children's cartoon now although I still retain strong moral values intellectually. New relationships? Lol, that's inherently sus. I don't want such paranoia. Do I have any goals to complete in life? None, except avoid pain. To me it feels like the world has already expired and ended. It feels now that I am just on death row awaiting my execution day. Some will say it's stupid, it's just a relationship, and sure they're right. But my mind had put so much value on it that losing it essentially meant losing my mind. Now I can't find my mind anymore. So it's not easy to just say "ha it's just a relationship move on." Move on from what? To what, and why?
 
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Unconditional love doesn't exist, you're right about that. Its always i love you AS LONG AS YOU DO THIS.......DO THAT or DONT DO THIS and DONT DO THAT......
 
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In that case, at least you don't have to take it that personal, since it's an inherent flaw in her not in you. Mine was the first and only love of my life, married 8 years full of memories of love and cuddles, then suddenly I was discarded. It confused my brain so much that I doubt almost everything I thought was true and good including the motives of myself and my family. I am nearly completely hardened to emotions now. I watch gore videos like it's watching a children's cartoon now although I still retain strong moral values intellectually. New relationships? Lol, that's inherently sus. I don't want such paranoia. Do I have any goals to complete in life? None, except avoid pain. To me it feels like the world has already expired and ended. It feels now that I am just on death row awaiting my execution day. Some will say it's stupid, it's just a relationship, and sure they're right. But my mind had put so much value on it that losing it essentially meant losing my mind. Now I can't find my mind anymore. So it's not easy to just say "ha it's just a relationship move on." Move on from what? To what, and why?
Yeah. I completely understand, more than you know. Eventually I'll be having my post here before going about my death. Maybe you'll see it an understand then, but i relate more than you could know at this time
 
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Pryras

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Feb 11, 2020
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I believe it exists just for mothers and their children but not all mothers of course.

It's why dating men always traumatizes me since I am nothing more than a vessel for them. It's really hard to come to terms with what most relationships are (transactional or parasitic) so I just avoid them as much as possible.
 
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Forever Sleep

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I also believe that to truly love someone who was suffering, would include being willing to let them go. Even to aid them if the case was that extreme.

The problem though- is that a lot of people I imagine truly believe we can all be cured. No matter what the problem is and, how long we've had it. So, they maybe don't see us as broken as we feel.

As to unconditional love, in an ideal world- that would be great of course- if everyone felt it for one another. As things stand though- would it benefit everyone? Should a person that abuses, controls, even rapes their partner still continue to be shown unconditional love? Definitely not.

To an extent, love being conditional ensures that we treat other people with respect in order to keep their love. Otherwise, the most damaging people get to continue their behaviour unchallenged and unhindered. Because effectively- they don't love in return. They just use.
 
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Aprilwithcake

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I think its real just really really rare
 
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8leveloquenfrn4evr8

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Facts!

keep droppin' the blackpills friend, it's what keeps this place a little more real than everywhere else :)
 
citrusrope

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I told my mom that it's unethical to have kids because the kids are not asked for their consent. I said my suffering could have been prevented if she chose not to make me. She of course felt offended personally and almost freaked out, showing that it's all about muh feeeelings, not about MY feelings or even philosophical ethics. I also told my dad that I wished to die, and he said it would make HIM feel bad. So much for selflessness, lol.

My family, who fears I'll harm myself, just want to prevent it for their own emotional comfort. That's the harsh truth. In reality I am just a burden and nuisance. Never is it about what I want. When you think about it, your family of all people could be assisting you in exiting, making sure it's peaceful and successful, but no. Most family and "friends" just don't want to observe death and cry. It's entirely selfish.

Don't even get started on what society and the economy requires of you. Most systems, even complete egalitarian communism are close to slavery because you can't just opt out of contributing and they would still give you food and shelter unconditionally.

Marriage and sexual relationships are mostly based on either pure selfish momentary pleasure, discomfort of being alone, getting validation or cultural tradition. Or all of the above. Having children? Most of that is motivated by the chance to enjoy looking at cuteness, to populate abstract concepts such as lineage and nation and for your own personal nurse in old age. Reproducing yourself has to also be one of the most narcissistic things to ever exist. Why are you so great that you should be replicated?

Unconditional love doesn't exist. Yes, not even your mom truly loves you, sorry to say. Deal with it and it might give you a lot of emotional freedom. I have less and less demands for others and I judge them less, because I know they can't help but be selfish. I am selfish, so why would they be any different?

True love would mean complete surrender of self to the need of others. You should be willing to amputate limbs and be tortured for the most vile hated enemy of yours, that you forgive every time they hurt you again, if you're a person practicing true love. The faster we realize this, the sooner we can evolve (or phase out the human race).
These specific words you wrote ring so true to me. It hurts... it's agonizing... I hate fucking opening myself up raw to my parents and spilling my unfiltered feelings to them with a shred of hope that maybe they would be willing to understand but I also only get responses from them where they talk about how THEY feel and how me saying stuff like that hurts THEM. Fuckinggg of course. No attempt at all in consoling me and hearing me, only empty toxic positivity, and stupid spiels about how everything they do is for me and how they feel like shit when I say stuff like I don't enjoy life or whatever.

If my parents really truly loved me as they said they did, they'd let me fucking kill myself. Don't you think it's inherently hypocritical of them to declare their "unconditional love" for me while refusing to acknowledge that I want to die? Why would they want me to keep living if it means I'll be suffering, if they love me so much? It's because then they would be in pain and we can't have that.

I don't know anymore. I think I just have a lot of resentment towards the world as a whole in general. I feel bad for my parents a little lol.
 
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snwcolt

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Yes and it's hypocritical to accuse suicidal ppl of being selfish....it's so much more selfish to try to force someone who wants to be gone to keep suffering for the sake of others
 
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KillingPain267

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These specific words you wrote ring so true to me. It hurts... it's agonizing... I hate fucking opening myself up raw to my parents and spilling my unfiltered feelings to them with a shred of hope that maybe they would be willing to understand but I also only get responses from them where they talk about how THEY feel and how me saying stuff like that hurts THEM. Fuckinggg of course. No attempt at all in consoling me and hearing me, only empty toxic positivity, and stupid spiels about how everything they do is for me and how they feel like shit when I say stuff like I don't enjoy life or whatever.

If my parents really truly loved me as they said they did, they'd let me fucking kill myself. Don't you think it's inherently hypocritical of them to declare their "unconditional love" for me while refusing to acknowledge that I want to die? Why would they want me to keep living if it means I'll be suffering, if they love me so much? It's because then they would be in pain and we can't have that.

I don't know anymore. I think I just have a lot of resentment towards the world as a whole in general. I feel bad for my parents a little lol.
I relate to every last word you said. Including the last sentence. I understand why they would be like this, and I forgive them, but at the same time it's obvious that unconditional love doesn't, or rarely, exists. True love would mean sacrifice. But that's offensive.
 
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divinemistress36

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Love is conditional in most conditions. My parents may love me cause Im their child but if you truly love your kid and they were having mental health issues you would get them the best care possible and I dont hear a lot of parents doing that. Romantic love is conditional and is mostly just hormones and neurotransmitters to get you to reproduce
 

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