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[_Kaira_]

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Go to the main thread about it, or the one in offtopic if you have comment on it. If you need the links I can post those too!

 

[RainAndSadness]

where is your evidence courts are on our side?

if they were truly unanimously on our side, then euthanasia would be legalized everywhere...

This is an example of a court ruling of the ECHR. They declared suicide "an expression of individual autonomy" and even implied that it's not the responsibility of the state to prevent suicide. Germany just recently ruled in favor of assisted suicide with very similar arguments.

The right to assisted suicide in the case law of the European Court of Human Rights.

The European Centre for Law and Justice recently published a detailed report on the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) case law on assisted suicide in...

eclj.org

Keep in mind though: if a court aknowledges your right to commit suicide, as it happened in the linked example, that doesn't necessary mean the state has to help you in that process. So if a court rules in favor of suicide, like they did in that case, it doesn't imply you're allowed to leave via assisted suicide.

 

[omoidarui]

i guess i always wondered how a FT26 vs Marquis confrontation would go down xd

no need to use my imagination now

 

[Heart Shards]

I wanted to say something directly on there about this, but Im scared to get attacked like this for expressing how I feel.

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Fuck em! time to turn the tide.

 

[_Kaira_]

Fuck em! time to turn the tide.

I have gotten courage and started talking to em.
One person in particular, I was able to end a conversation with a sort of "agree to disagree" thing so at the very least there's that.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Oof, somebody from Fixthe26 tried to follow me. Too bad that they followed a burner account that only exists to like SS tweets.

 

[yive]

I'm just going to say that I don't think this is a good idea, at least not with the name of the forum plastered on it. The last thing we need is more attention drawn to this forum by pro-lifers, be it people or governments that are very active on social media.
Some of us do not have money for a VPN if this site gets restricted in our countries.

absolutely agree.
sorry, guys, but i think it's a bad idea

 

[demuic]

We already knew they were watching us. But this level of misplaced blame is disturbing.

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Btw, that screenshot they took is taken from THIS very thread. That alone is kind of creepy in itself.

How do you feel that they used your post?

"SS convinced their children Suicide was their best option before they had a chance to develop, grow, mature & try"... So much manipulation and falsehood in this statement.

 

[_Kaira_]

How do you feel that they used your post?

"SS convinced their children Suicide was their best option before they had a chance to develop, grow, mature & try"... So much manipulation and falsehood in this statement.

It wasn't my post. It was @GoodPersonEffed 's. I was just the quote they were replying too.

Honestly I don't really care.
They most likely talk about every single thread and post here. It is their "life goal"
to keep tabs on SS to find any evidence possible to use against this site, and twist things into their narrative.

 

[Lone_Gray_Wolf]

You can't have a low profile and make your voice heard, either people won't listen to you because your voice is so low or they will listen but they will also know about you, unless you pull some sort of Anonymous but this is clearly not the idea here.

I meant in different situations. To this moment some mods were the ones making statements with media sources and you will see opinions and comments inside the forum but that's it. That twitter account allows to make more public statements for what Marquis and whoever admins that see convenient. Even if it is on the internet we are not going out there and painting on walls our presence so isn't necessary all much of a spotlight. I don't know if I'm getting my point across.

 

[Heart Shards]

Dope!

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Twitter sucks! Waiting for an SS Instagram

 

[Heart Shards]

Twitter sucks! Waiting for an SS Instagram

I can see it now. Men asking for suicidal girls pics in the dm's. XD

 

[AnnonyBox]

Made a private list and followed, twitter wouldn't be my first choice, since it's very structure leads to division but you have my support, albeit anonymously. I just don't feel like creating a burner account, tbh.

 

[braketimez]

This is an example of a court ruling of the ECHR. They declared suicide "an expression of individual autonomy" and even implied that it's not the responsibility of the state to prevent suicide. Germany just recently ruled in favor of assisted suicide with very similar arguments.

View attachment 51636

The right to assisted suicide in the case law of the European Court of Human Rights.

The European Centre for Law and Justice recently published a detailed report on the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) case law on assisted suicide in...

eclj.org

Keep in mind though: if a court aknowledges your right to commit suicide, as it happened in the linked example, that doesn't necessary mean the state has to help you in that process. So if a court rules in favor of suicide, like they did in that case, it doesn't imply you're allowed to leave via assisted suicide.

Rain,

These are great examples of specific courts understanding our viewpoint.

However, with all due respect, to cite 3-5 examples of specific court rulings as evidence of unanimous court support is NOT sufficient proof.

Can you please explain to me how citing literally less than a handful of examples is proof that the "courts are on our side" as you put in your original post?

Also, you didn't answer my question....

If the courts are TRULY on our side, including legislative bodies, etc...why isn't human euthanasia a prominent permissible practice?

You have committed this broad sweeping generalization fallacy before, and it's not logical.

 

[M]

Do you honestly believe people will believe us if we "call out their lies" on Twitter?

Because we already take a morally debased stance on suicide in society's perspective, they will be biased against anything we say...even if we were to try and provide evidence against the lies.

Furthermore, Twitter is not the place to express vague and pathetic rebuttals.

At this point, trying to challenge the lies just makes us seem like We are covering something up to them.

I stand by what I said before.

They're going to take screenshots from the forum and twist it either way.

At least this way we have a voice and are not confined to our corner of the internet.

I already know that we have an unpopular position and that they will be biased, but that's not a reason to back down from an organization that is dedicated to trying to shut us down.

If someone was threatening to burn down your home, you wouldn't just sit there and let them do it, would you?

 

[Joey]

They're going to take screenshots from the forum and twist it either way.

At least this way we have a voice and are not confined to our corner of the internet.

I already know that we have an unpopular position and that they will be biased, but that's not a reason to back down from an organization that is dedicated to trying to shut us down.

If someone was threatening to burn down your home, you wouldn't just sit there and let them do it, would you?

They'll do anything to get clicks :o

 

[RainAndSadness]

Rain,

These are great examples of specific courts understanding our viewpoint.

However, with all due respect, to cite 3-5 examples of specific court rulings as evidence of unanimous court support is NOT sufficient proof.

Can you please explain to me how citing literally less than a handful of examples is proof that the "courts are on our side" as you put in your original post?

Also, you didn't answer my question....

If the courts are TRULY on our side, including legislative bodies, etc...why isn't human euthanasia a prominent permissible practice?

You have committed this broad sweeping generalization fallacy before, and it's not logical.

I really don't understand your point. The ECHR isn't just a random court. It's the largest European legal body, compare it to the Supreme Court in the US. It's the highest Court in Europe and the members of the European Council, that's basically all of Europe with 47 member states, have to follow through. They have the final say. Such court rulings are the framework organizations like Exit Switzerland and Dignitas operate under. They legitimize the existence of assisted suicide in countries such as Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands. Do you think it's a coincidence they're all located in Europe? The legal trend has been in favor of assisted suicide for the last few years, public opinion also shows overwhelming support and it's generally growing. Germany, a large country, just recently legalized assisted suicide with very similar arguments the ECHR used.
In Switzerland we constantly have the debate to make assisted suicide more accessible towards people that suffer from mental illness regardless of age. The efforts so far didn't result in any success but the overton window is moving. Those are clear signs.

Here is a global study about suicide and assisted suicide, involving examination of data for 21 countries, specific examples of great public support despite the lack of assisted suicide are Denmark and the UK:

Trends in public approval of euthanasia and suicide in the US, 1947–2003

Debates about end of life decisions should accept that public opinion on these matters is still fluid

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The same trend is happening in the US, look at this survey from Gallup for example. 52% think doctor-assisted suicide is morally acceptable. The poll is from 2018.

Americans' Strong Support for Euthanasia Persists

Majorities of most subgroups of Americans remain supportive of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide, but weekly churchgoers are opposed to both.

news.gallup.com

I understand your concern and it probably makes sense that you think the majority of people would oppose us if you're confronted by organizations like fixthe26. But keep in mind, those people are a tiny but extremely loud minority. They do not represent the majority of society and these groups argue from an emotional point of view - we can easily win this debate with logical and rational arguments. I really think your pessimism is misplaced here. The LGBT community, which I'm a part of, didn't win social and legal support over night. This was a process that took centuries. 20 years ago it was almost impossible to think same sex marriage would be legalized in so many modern countries the way it is right now. Just because we're not winning this race over night, doesn't mean there isn't slow but steady change happening. We just have to keep fighting.

 

[braketimez]

They're going to take screenshots from the forum and twist it either way.

At least this way we have a voice and are not confined to our corner of the internet.

I already know that we have an unpopular position and that they will be biased, but that's not a reason to back down from an organization that is dedicated to trying to shut us down.

If someone was threatening to burn down your home, you wouldn't just sit there and let them do it, would you?

Sorry, that is an absolutely illogical analogy. Getting your home physically burned down is much different than a digital platform. It's a categorical fallacy for sure.

You just reasserted my point by admitting yourself that other people will twist our words no matter what we do.

I stand by what I said.

Would you fight fire with a smaller fire?

I really don't understand your point. The ECHR isn't just a random court. It's the largest European legal body, compare it to the Supreme Court in the US. It's the highest Court in Europe and the members of the European Council, that's basically all of Europe with 47 member states, have to follow through. They have the final say. Such court rulings are the framework organizations like Exit Switzerland and Dignitas operate under. They legitimize the existence of assisted suicide in countries such as Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands. Do you think it's a coincidence they're all located in Europe? The legal trend has been in favor of assisted suicide for the last few years, public opinion also shows overwhelming support and it's generally growing. Germany, a large country, just recently legalized assisted suicide with very similar arguments the ECHR used.
In Switzerland we constantly have the debate to make assisted suicide more accessible towards people that suffer from mental illness regardless of age. The efforts so far didn't result in any success but the overton window is moving. Those are clear signs.

Here is a global study about suicide and assisted suicide, involving examination of data for 21 countries, specific examples of great public support despite the lack of assisted suicide are Denmark and the UK:
View attachment 51705

Trends in public approval of euthanasia and suicide in the US, 1947–2003

Debates about end of life decisions should accept that public opinion on these matters is still fluid

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The same trend is happening in the US, look at this survey from Gallup for example. 52% think doctor-assisted suicide is morally acceptable. The poll is from 2018.
View attachment 51702

Americans' Strong Support for Euthanasia Persists

Majorities of most subgroups of Americans remain supportive of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide, but weekly churchgoers are opposed to both.

news.gallup.com

I understand your concern and it probably makes sense that you think the majority of people would oppose us if you're confronted by organizations like fixthe26. But keep in mind, those people are a tiny but extremely loud minority. They do not represent the majority of society and these groups argue from an emotional point of view - we can easily win this debate with logical and rational arguments. I really think your pessimism is misplaced here. The LGBT community, which I'm a part of, didn't win social and legal support over night. This was a process that took centuries. 20 years ago it was almost impossible to think same sex marriage would be legalized in so many modern countries the way it is right now. Just because we're not winning this race over night, doesn't mean there isn't slow but steady change happening. We just have to keep fighting.

yes,I understand these are large bodies of people who "support" us, but now you're changing your original premise:

You went from "the courts are on our side" to "slow and steady wins the race".

if the courts were truly unanimously on our side, there wouldn't be a race anymore.

So, please don't make blanket statements to instill a false sense of optimism in people. Instead, provide specific examples in the first place like you finally just did.

Can we agree the courts aren't on our side, even if more and more people are on board with us?

 

[xLosthopex]

Twitter sucks! Waiting for an SS Instagram

Same lmao
Still followed on Twitter though

 

[braketimez]

I really don't understand your point. The ECHR isn't just a random court. It's the largest European legal body, compare it to the Supreme Court in the US. It's the highest Court in Europe and the members of the European Council, that's basically all of Europe with 47 member states, have to follow through. They have the final say. Such court rulings are the framework organizations like Exit Switzerland and Dignitas operate under. They legitimize the existence of assisted suicide in countries such as Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands. Do you think it's a coincidence they're all located in Europe? The legal trend has been in favor of assisted suicide for the last few years, public opinion also shows overwhelming support and it's generally growing. Germany, a large country, just recently legalized assisted suicide with very similar arguments the ECHR used.
In Switzerland we constantly have the debate to make assisted suicide more accessible towards people that suffer from mental illness regardless of age. The efforts so far didn't result in any success but the overton window is moving. Those are clear signs.

Here is a global study about suicide and assisted suicide, involving examination of data for 21 countries, specific examples of great public support despite the lack of assisted suicide are Denmark and the UK:
View attachment 51705

Trends in public approval of euthanasia and suicide in the US, 1947–2003

Debates about end of life decisions should accept that public opinion on these matters is still fluid

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The same trend is happening in the US, look at this survey from Gallup for example. 52% think doctor-assisted suicide is morally acceptable. The poll is from 2018.
View attachment 51702

Americans' Strong Support for Euthanasia Persists

Majorities of most subgroups of Americans remain supportive of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide, but weekly churchgoers are opposed to both.

news.gallup.com

I understand your concern and it probably makes sense that you think the majority of people would oppose us if you're confronted by organizations like fixthe26. But keep in mind, those people are a tiny but extremely loud minority. They do not represent the majority of society and these groups argue from an emotional point of view - we can easily win this debate with logical and rational arguments. I really think your pessimism is misplaced here. The LGBT community, which I'm a part of, didn't win social and legal support over night. This was a process that took centuries. 20 years ago it was almost impossible to think same sex marriage would be legalized in so many modern countries the way it is right now. Just because we're not winning this race over night, doesn't mean there isn't slow but steady change happening. We just have to keep fighting.

I will be responding to each of your examples later today.

but to begin, the sample sizes for the American surveys are INCREDIBLY small. A few thousand or even tens of thousands of people would not speak for the majority.

Again, you're committing one of those sweeping generalization fallacies and creating blanket statements by citing the summary of a poll.

Second, Europe is not the world. Unless you want to take some sort of odd ethnocentric perspective on, of course.

From a global perspective, there is no evidence the majority of courts/people who have a true say in legislation are on our side.

The LGBT example is a great one to provide evidence things can change over time.

However, I do believe the stigma around death, deeply rooted beliefs about the sanctity of life, and the slippery slope of nihilism people fear by allowing assisted suicide all make this an incredibly complex matter, one that is different in nature from other social issues, such as same sex marriage.

 

[Weary Soul]

First and foremost, my heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one by any means.

For those trying to get this site shut down, if you truly want to help? Please do not throw words and threats around. Instead, use actions to help instead of words. I would do this in a heartbeat if I had the resources to do it.

Help those in abusive situations find a place that is safe to live. If someone is facing homeless, help them to find a home and to get back on their feet. For those struggling with mental illness, become an independent advocate and support them. Just a few examples of ways that may help some.

It would likely not be easy and go against current means of assistance that are out there - but those current means of assistance, whelp, speaking for myself, they have harmed rather than helped.


Much love to you all.

 

[StateOfMind]

Yeah, I'm willing to bet that Twitter'll ban it. But still, it's good to get the word out as much as we can!

Also, in other news, that Vice article is fucking disgusting.

Not sure how to feel about this twitter thing. I guess if it is used for meaningful activism, dialogue an discourse it can be a good thing?

Didn't read the vice article TLDR.
But guessing on how they have performed over the last years its probably garbage.

 

[Niftypoint124]

I'm sure it's fun/cathartic/feels good to get into arguments over Twitter with the F26 account, but I can already many ways this will likely backfire.

 

[M]

I'm sure it's fun/cathartic/feels good to get into arguments over Twitter with the F26 account, but I can already many ways this will likely backfire.

Most of it hasn't been back and forth between them, though.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

Most of it hasn't been back and forth between them, though.

They just repeat the same crap accusations over and over again.

 

[Heart Shards]

Most of it hasn't been back and forth between them, though.

I deleted my account on Twitter, and I'm packing up. They don't want discourse, they want someone to rage and blame for their children's death. I gave Jackie my whole life story and she still determined to keep people from making their own decisions. Keep fighting with them if you want, they'll just stick their fingers in their ears, and say but my child died from this site. Revenge. It's what consumes them. Good luck.

They just repeat the same crap accusations over and over again.

After what that bitch said on twitter about one our deceased member and sad world, I'm done having conversation. Best of luck to you.

 

[Buffy5120]

I really don't understand your point. The ECHR isn't just a random court. It's the largest European legal body, compare it to the Supreme Court in the US. It's the highest Court in Europe and the members of the European Council, that's basically all of Europe with 47 member states, have to follow through. They have the final say. Such court rulings are the framework organizations like Exit Switzerland and Dignitas operate under. They legitimize the existence of assisted suicide in countries such as Switzerland, Belgium and Netherlands. Do you think it's a coincidence they're all located in Europe? The legal trend has been in favor of assisted suicide for the last few years, public opinion also shows overwhelming support and it's generally growing. Germany, a large country, just recently legalized assisted suicide with very similar arguments the ECHR used.
In Switzerland we constantly have the debate to make assisted suicide more accessible towards people that suffer from mental illness regardless of age. The efforts so far didn't result in any success but the overton window is moving. Those are clear signs.

Here is a global study about suicide and assisted suicide, involving examination of data for 21 countries, specific examples of great public support despite the lack of assisted suicide are Denmark and the UK:
View attachment 51705

Trends in public approval of euthanasia and suicide in the US, 1947–2003

Debates about end of life decisions should accept that public opinion on these matters is still fluid

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The same trend is happening in the US, look at this survey from Gallup for example. 52% think doctor-assisted suicide is morally acceptable. The poll is from 2018.
View attachment 51702

Americans' Strong Support for Euthanasia Persists

Majorities of most subgroups of Americans remain supportive of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide, but weekly churchgoers are opposed to both.

news.gallup.com

I understand your concern and it probably makes sense that you think the majority of people would oppose us if you're confronted by organizations like fixthe26. But keep in mind, those people are a tiny but extremely loud minority. They do not represent the majority of society and these groups argue from an emotional point of view - we can easily win this debate with logical and rational arguments. I really think your pessimism is misplaced here. The LGBT community, which I'm a part of, didn't win social and legal support over night. This was a process that took centuries. 20 years ago it was almost impossible to think same sex marriage would be legalized in so many modern countries the way it is right now. Just because we're not winning this race over night, doesn't mean there isn't slow but steady change happening. We just have to keep fighting.

This is beautiful but i dont think i can wait another 40 years for them to finally realize all chronic illnesses that have no cure and are unending should be granted euthanasia. America is all about money. They do not care about the quality of any humans life. You can be brain dead and they will keep you alive for years just like this bullshit fix26 believes and honestly no point arguing with them they are ignorant its like arguing with a wall at the end of the day they will never understand but what they will one day understand is that they are not immune to illness and sickness. They can very much be like us and in our shoes if not today, then will definitely be when they get older..my grandfather has alzhimers and wants to die they dont even understand the gruesome unending lengths we go through dealing with all our suffering, and yes theres many people even in their 20s whos dealing with severe memory loss as well. Illness doesn't discriminate based on age....what idiots they are...

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Btw, that screenshot they took is taken from THIS very thread. That alone is kind of creepy in itself.

Since they are taking screenshots from this thread, do you think they will like my hugging GIF?

 

[_Kaira_]

Since they are taking screenshots from this thread, do you think they will like my hugging GIF?

One said "My lashes do this so much better " To this f*cking gif....



Like...what...lol.