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John Kramer

John Kramer

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Do you think it's possible to truly know yourself, or are we all just piecing together reflections from others, memories, and assumptions? At what point does the person we think we are become the person we actually are?
 
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Leiot

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The Buddhists talk about enlightenment as waking up and seeing things for what they truly are. I think it's possible; I just don't think I'll ever make it.
 
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Hollowman

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I'm nobody.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
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I'm just a by product of my brain
 
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DarkRange55

DarkRange55

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Do you think it's possible to truly know yourself, or are we all just piecing together reflections from others, memories, and assumptions? At what point does the person we think we are become the person we actually are?
Do you think it's possible to truly know yourself
You might be a simulation

, or are we all just piecing together reflections from others, memories, and assumptions?
Yes

At what point does the person we think we are become the person we actually are?
You are what you do. A man is defined by his actions, not by his memory (Kuato).
I'm just a by product of my brain
Yes, interacting with inputs that appear to come from an amazing external universe that may be part of an even more glorious omniverse.
 
ZeroM24

ZeroM24

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Flesh, bone, brain.
 
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Warlord's Pulse

Warlord's Pulse

Time to end this endless war
May 27, 2024
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Well, it's just useless to think in that way. It's like those pseudointellectuals quoting Nietzsche stating that love for another person actually doesn't exist. Well, it can be true, so what? It doesn't change the fact that is a good thing
 
Thisisnotaname

Thisisnotaname

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Ask carl jung to know who I am 😅
 
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EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
Oct 21, 2023
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Who you are is defined by your genetics and brain structure and ways in which your experiences shape your preexisting neural structures, blah blah blah. While you can come to know yourself there is a limitation to introspection, yada yada yada.

Anyway, here is a picture that represents who I am deep down inside
 
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John Kramer

John Kramer

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Nov 10, 2024
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Well, it's just useless to think in that way. It's like those pseudointellectuals quoting Nietzsche stating that love for another person actually doesn't exist. Well, it can be true, so what? It doesn't change the fact that is a good thing
You don't understand my friend, this post was engagement bait to farm reactions so I can get chat privileges (I used to have them on my old account, im not spam or a troll just already went through the effort once lol.) The paragraph, the title, all chat gpt. Thanks for your contribution!
 
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death's_door

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Just a fat kid with a cape...
 
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DarkRange55

DarkRange55

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I think it is possible to understand yourself but it is important that we are constantly adapting. So you may learn something new about yourself because simply that trait wasn't there a year ago.

So in theory, one can truly understand themselves but that may only be in retrospect.

The current limitations to introspection could be removed as we and our technology advance.
Who you are is defined by your genetics and brain structure and ways in which your experiences shape your preexisting neural structures, blah blah blah. While you can come to know yourself there is a limitation to introspection, yada yada yada.

Anyway, here is a picture that represents who I am deep down inside
"Who you are is defined by your genetics and brain structure and ways in which your experiences shape your preexisting neural structures."
Yes (including what you eat, etc. in 'experiences')
 
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Forever Sleep

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Can a person be 'themselves' in total isolation? Not interacting with anyone and doing nothing? I'd say- not so much. We get an idea of who someone 'is' by how they react to certain things. Can we predict how we would react to a situation that's going to happen today? Maybe- to some extent. Do we know how we'll react to the same situation in ten years time? Maybe not as reliably. Stuff could have happened in our lives that changes how we react to things at that point.

As simple as- a song we might like now, we may hate in ten years time because by that point, we have negative associations with it. Say- it was playing while we heard some very bad news. It may be so bad that we burst into tears yet, at the moment- we're not outwardly emotional people.

I'm not sure we can even predict our own behaviour in the immediate future all that accurately. People who would like to think they are brave and good may end up bottling it if something horrific happened or, vice versa. Some things, we simply haven't been tested on. Maybe, we'll never be tested on them.

I've always wondered that with something like religion. Who's the 'stronger' or, more righteous person? One who is massively tempted to sin. Who maybe has sinned in the past but then, uses all their fortitude to resist or- someone who has very little desire to sin in the first place? Surely, they're setting out with an unfair advantage. It's hardly an achievement to resist something you didn't even want to begin with! I've always wondered- if there is a God- how do they work out the scoring! Bearing in mind also- it's God's plan that we desire so much to begin with. (I know some will blame it on an apple but- God created the apple and the massive temptation to eat it...) If there is a God anyway.

I think it's more that we have a hope or fear of who we really are and we constantly do stuff to either prove or disprove it. I've done things or rather- not done things in the past that I don't think fit with who I hope I am. Maybe that has made me reassess who I am to some extent. They've been unpleasant things. I haven't been there for people when they were there for me. Even worse though, I've made excuses for that to myself rather than admit that maybe, I'm not as kind as I hoped I was. I even decided that- yes, maybe I'm not that altruistic person but, it's not my fault! Which is worst of all really.

But no, I find it unlikely that many people know themselves entirely- unless they are unwaveringly good or, consistently bad!

Again though- is someone who is 'good' necessarily 'good' deep down? What if you do kind things out of politeness and then, slightly resent them afterwards? Maybe there's good reason to. Maybe someone helps someone else with a project and then, they utilise all their time and effort without giving them any thanks or credit. When they ask for help again- would that person still be 'good' if they made an excuse that they were busy? (When they weren't.)

Everything that happens in our lives changes us. Every interaction we have with a person either cements our idea of that person and our relationship with them or, calls it into question. Someone who behaves dishonestly probably doesn't deserve our complete trust in the future. Does that make us a bad person? Not necessarily, but it can make us overly cynical/ pessimistic.

As such, I think it's more that we start out with a baseline character- from our genetics and upbringing and events thus far. But then, various events in life can change that- almost entirely sometimes. I've known of the biggest bullies in school become therapists!
 
executioner1983

executioner1983

death is sustainable
Oct 2, 2023
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I am everything I have ever loved or always known. I am my parents and my siblings. I am this house, and the freeway next to it. I am my father more than my mother. I am the man I sleep with and the boys I do not. I am the books in piles on my bedroom floor and the music on my phone. I am nothing and everything and I do not care. I am someone who does not ask unanswerable questions.
 
The_Hunter

The_Hunter

Hunter
Nov 30, 2024
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>assuming there IS a self

This idea reminds me of Episode 26 of Evangelion.
 
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brokenbirdy

brokenbirdy

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Nov 13, 2024
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A lot of the time we see parts of people that they can't see, and vice versa. People are constantly shifting and changing, and i feel it would be impossible to know yourself or someone completely. We could try, I guess?
 
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Abandoned Character

Abandoned Character

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Mar 24, 2023
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You don't understand my friend, this post was engagement bait to farm reactions so I can get chat privileges (I used to have them on my old account, im not spam or a troll just already went through the effort once lol.) The paragraph, the title, all chat gpt. Thanks for your contribution!
If you're for real that is gold
 
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me_when_:D

me_when_:D

Student
Dec 9, 2024
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>assuming there IS a self

This idea reminds me of Episode 26 of Evangelion.
I feel like "self" doesn't have a good definition and every issue of self-identity arises from this.
Not sure whether it's even worth it to worry about this.

I don't have much of an identity and it's possible to live like that, just a bit inconvenient.
Me being here might hint that it's not very good in the long run, thought.
You don't understand my friend, this post was engagement bait to farm reactions so I can get chat privileges (I used to have them on my old account, im not spam or a troll just already went through the effort once lol.) The paragraph, the title, all chat gpt. Thanks for your contribution!
give me some too haha, I am yet to unlock pms lol
 
pthnrdnojvsc

pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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You are what you do. A person is defined by their actions. @DarkRange55 got it right.

you want to find out who you are then you have to keep a time log every day . that's the printout of the programs installed into your brain mainly from ages 0-7.