Venting Why are they trying to hold us here trapped into a painful existence?

[brokencookie]

Why do they do so much to keep us here? To keep us trapped? In a painful existence with no hope of improvement?

This is cruel! Some people are suffering! And they want it to stop, like any human would.

But nodody does/can do anything to make certain pains stop! They expect US to suck it up! To mask! To pretent! To suffer in silence! To function when we barely can! They try to help us when all they do is filling up a barrel with no bottom! They have the means to end our torturous existence but they refuse because people are to selfish to see, what we're going through every single day!!

Abd then they have the FUCKING AUDACITY to guilt trip us into breeding more and more souls into this shit!
FUCK THAT!!!

 

[cemeteryismyhome]

I 100% agree, except that I raised kids and knocked myself out to do everything I could for them (and still am), and they grew to be adults who are helping other people and thus in my opinion are worth it. At the same time I fully respect anyone's choice to not have kids. Bad parenting is a root cause of a lot of the suffering. Anyway, I'm also trapped in a painful existence and the "help" that is "offered" is insulting and outrageous, basically a scam to make a profit.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

because they don't want the slaves to kill themselves

also they are saying they own you , it's about control

 

[FuneralCry]

I really understand and I also feel so trapped in this cruel, torturous existence, I see so much cruelty in how the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what as all I want is to never suffer ever again, I always find it so painful to exist and it's pain only non-existence can bring me relief from. All I wish for is the option to cease existing in peace to free myself from this existence I always saw as such a dreadful, terrible mistake, I find it so tragic how this existence was even imposed causing all this cruelty, harm and suffering as a result with no limit as to how much one can be tortured.

 

[misanthropemurder]

Greed. Pure human fucking greed.

 

[TBONTB]

I 100% agree, except that I raised kids and knocked myself out to do everything I could for them (and still am), and they grew to be adults who are helping other people and thus in my opinion are worth it. At the same time I fully respect anyone's choice to not have kids. Bad parenting is a root cause of a lot of the suffering. Anyway, I'm also trapped in a painful existence and the "help" that is "offered" is insulting and outrageous, basically a scam to make a profit.

Congratulations on raising great kids. That's amazing.

 

[Higurashi415]

Why do they do so much to keep us here? To keep us trapped? In a painful existence with no hope of improvement?

This is cruel! Some people are suffering! And they want it to stop, like any human would.

But nodody does/can do anything to make certain pains stop! They expect US to suck it up! To mask! To pretent! To suffer in silence! To function when we barely can! They try to help us when all they do is filling up a barrel with no bottom! They have the means to end our torturous existence but they refuse because people are to selfish to see, what we're going through every single day!!

Abd then they have the FUCKING AUDACITY to guilt trip us into breeding more and more souls into this shit!
FUCK THAT!!!

the reality is that situations like yours and mine are actually very rare. "Trapping" people in existence is usually not without hope of improvement. It could be in your case, but it's not usually like that, so you can see how it could lead to the weird situation many of us are in. The truth is, we're actually very very different from the general population. For the general population getting a job, wife/husband, and raising a family is enough. It really is.

 

[usernamesarehard]

the reality is that situations like yours and mine are actually very rare. "Trapping" people in existence is usually not without hope of improvement. It could be in your case, but it's not usually like that, so you can see how it could lead to the weird situation many of us are in. The truth is, we're actually very very different from the general population. For the general population getting a job, wife/husband, and raising a family is enough. It really is.

Yeah I think this is the most correct answer. Like we have things like the suicide prevention hotline and mental hospitals to prop up capitalism and keep as many people around as possible to work and buy stuff. But if we're talking about why individual people who know you don't want you to kill yourself it's all just emotions.

We are very different from normal people. And that means that normal people just can't understand. They can't understand that the time they thought about suicide when their parents died or when they were dumped is completely different from being suicidal every day of your life. There are some days when I'm driving and think "I could speed up and ram this car into the divider and die". I work on trains. Sometimes I think about jumping in front of one when I see them go speeding by.

Having one or a few bad moments is completely different to being in emotional pain and thinking of death every day.

But most normal people can't understand this. So they try to 'save' you because things got better for them so they can't comprehend that things CAN'T get better for you.

That's why most people who aren't close to you or don't even know you try to stop you.

Then there's the obvious that people who know you and are close to you would be sad if you died. And that's their reason.

 

[DTA]

I think a lot of it is projection (if that's the right word for it).
If the normies acknowledge that it's okay to check out - to ctb - then they have to examine their own lives. I think most people run the rat race and endure whatever life throws at them simply because they're afraid to die.
I can't tell you how many times people have told me, 'You can't just give up! You have to keep going!'
When I ask them why I have to keep going, I've yet to meet a person who can even come up with a bullshit answer. They just fall silent.
If they acknowledge that there isn't a reason to keep going then they have to ask themselves why they keep going. And they're afraid of the answer.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

Who's "they?" Loved ones? The government? No one is "keeping" anyone here. The government wants slaves, but on the whole aren't preventing suicide to the point where it can't be done. So-called loved ones may or may not try to stop someone, depending on how much the really do care about them or are concerned with their problems. In the end, the only one "keeping" someone here is themselves. I had to finally come to terms with this. My own fear of the unknown and my own ego kept me here. My concern with crying out for help, getting someone to care, psy op strategies to get people to talk me out of it... to see if someone cares, talking on suicide forums, all of that bullshit kept me here. It's all on the person who is saying they want to catch the bus. In the end, when one is ready and is serious, they will find a way. No one is tying anyone up and making them stay in existence.

 

[wham311]

My friend held him trying to talk me out of suicide over my head.

I'm like I actually didn't respect that at all, if you eant to be saved yiure not actually suicidal. I want you to kill me

 

[Holu]

I know a lot of people see it as "the system needs workers" but I think the reality is most people don't share the experience of suffering we do. I'm not saying they haven't suffered, just that they suffered differently which lead them to a different conclusion. Its hard for a lot of people to grasp that suicide can be a form of harm reduction when they don't believe suffering, especially from mental illness or abuse warrants suicide.

 

[brokencookie]

Who's "they?" Loved ones? The government? No one is "keeping" anyone here. The government wants slaves, but on the whole aren't preventing suicide to the point where it can't be done. So-called loved ones may or may not try to stop someone, depending on how much the really do care about them or are concerned with their problems. In the end, the only one "keeping" someone here is themselves. I had to finally come to terms with this. My own fear of the unknown and my own ego kept me here. My concern with crying out for help, getting someone to care, psy op strategies to get people to talk me out of it... to see if someone cares, talking on suicide forums, all of that bullshit kept me here. It's all on the person who is saying they want to catch the bus. In the end, when one is ready and is serious, they will find a way. No one is tying anyone up and making them stay in existence.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm also too much of a coward to actually do it. Tho I really want things to get better, but I dunno
At least I'm an antinatalist

 

[Stayhomestaysafe]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm also too much of a coward to actually do it. Tho I really want things to get better, but I dunno
At least I'm an antinatalist

I sort of agree, I'd say "they" are keeping us here through psychological manipulation, fear and guilt tripping.

 

[brokencookie]

I sort of agree, I'd say "they" are keeping us here through psychological manipulation, fear and guilt tripping.

I mean they do discourage us, put us in psychwards and make meds for a painless death inaccessable, letting people resorting into very painful methods that, when failed, leads to more suffering.
There are means to a certain and peaceful death, but we're being prevented from taking them.

However, I believe if someone really really wants to die, they can go through with it. And they will. With whatever it takes.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm also too much of a coward to actually do it. Tho I really want things to get better, but I dunno
At least I'm an antinatalist

I get that. I had to get out of my own b.s. in order to really start gaining the courage to carry it out. I WANT things to get better, but for me... things WON'T. I've accepted this a long time ago. I guess that's why I'm at peace with it. And don't think of yourself as a coward. You're only a coward if you're using suicide as a trigger word to get attention because you've had a string of bad days. Otherwise, there's nothing cowardly about not going through with it. I've chickened out many times before. My suggestion to you is do a lot of honest inflection. Maybe catching the bus isn't something your soul is at peace with right now. And I'm talking about inflection and not wasting time on internet chat boards. Seriously get private with yourself, and your soul. ONLY you know what's best for you. No one else can take that journey with you. They can only provide their perspective. And that perspective may not be in line with your best interests sometimes.

May you find the clarity you need to be at peace, whatever your decision.

I sort of agree, I'd say "they" are keeping us here through psychological manipulation, fear and guilt tripping.

That's called caring too much what people think. That's a bad thing, no matter what aspect of life. And a waste of time. That's giving way too much power to people who ultimately can't make the final decision for someone.

 

[leloyon]

A corpse can't make 'em money.

Well, exceptions apply sometimes, but those are outliers.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I think a lot of it is projection (if that's the right word for it).
If the normies acknowledge that it's okay to check out - to ctb - then they have to examine their own lives. I think most people run the rat race and endure whatever life throws at them simply because they're afraid to die.
I can't tell you how many times people have told me, 'You can't just give up! You have to keep going!'
When I ask them why I have to keep going, I've yet to meet a person who can even come up with a bullshit answer. They just fall silent.
If they acknowledge that there isn't a reason to keep going then they have to ask themselves why they keep going. And they're afraid of the answer.

"When I ask them why I have to keep going, I've yet to meet a person who can even come up with a bullshit answer. They just fall silent"

I posed a similar question in this forum. I haven't gotten an answer yet

Why do I have to live another minute?

I don't have to.

 

[brokencookie]

I mean they do discourage us, put us in psychwards and make meds for a painless death inaccessable, letting people resorting into very painful methods that, when failed, leads to more suffering.
There are means to a certain and peaceful death, but we're being prevented from taking them.

I get that. I had to get out of my own b.s. in order to really start gaining the courage to carry it out. I WANT things to get better, but for me... things WON'T. I've accepted this a long time ago. I guess that's why I'm at peace with it. And don't think of yourself as a coward. You're only a coward if you're using suicide as a trigger word to get attention because you've had a string of bad days. Otherwise, there's nothing cowardly about not going through with it. I've chickened out many times before. My suggestion to you is do a lot of honest inflection. Maybe catching the bus isn't something your soul is at peace with right now. And I'm talking about inflection and not wasting time on internet chat boards. Seriously get private with yourself, and your soul. ONLY you know what's best for you. No one else can take that journey with you. They can only provide their perspective. And that perspective may not be in line with your best interests sometimes.

May you find the clarity you need to be at peace, whatever your decision.

That's called caring too much what people think. That's a bad thing, no matter what aspect of life. And a waste of time. That's giving way too much power to people who ultimately can't make the final decision for someone.

Thank you so much for this! This helps a lot. You're a very smart person, it's a shame your life has went to shit like that :/