Why aren’t opioids preferred over SN?

[enditplz]

From the accounts I've read on SN attempts, those who witnessed the person CTB say it didn't look peaceful and those who survived say it was painful. But people who survived opioid ODs describe it as peaceful and just drifting off and only had pain when they woke up after being saved. So many people accidentally OD, if someone is determined to CTB, wouldn't it be as easy as taking 10x the amount an addict usually takes?

I have a bottle of SN, but the more I read up on it, the more I'm hesitant. I want my last few moments to be as peaceful as possible. It's easy to get fent or heroin off of the DNM, so why aren't more people opting for this method?

 

[RULE8AM]

SN is legal, heroin and fent are not let's just start there

 

[heyy]

Sorry to ask
but what is DNM?
:P
ty <3

 

[L'absent]

Maybe it depends on availability and purity. Generally people choose comfort, even if it is less peaceful. If you want something special you have to work hard.

 

[alienfreak]

One edition of the Peaceful Pill Handbook went so far as to say that the main reason it recommended Nembutal over opioids was because old people are averse to opioids for cultural and legal reasons. They dont want to 'die like a junkie' or something. I think a lot of it is irrational like that. DNM availability depends on your country, not everyone is in USA, and people have an aversion to it because of legal risk and how technical it is. SN is legal and more available.

 

[PlannedforPeru]

Which site are you using on DNM to get options like fent? The one I'm using is DH and I thought they avoid selling stuff like that.

 

[dontwakemeup]

Opioids and OD's are really overrated. I'm so tired of the pharmacist asking do I want narcan when I go pick up my prescription. The reality is if I took my whole bottle of narcs I wouldn't die! I prob just sleep for a little but I'll be fine. People that OD are heroin aren't trying to OD. They usually have stopped using and relapse. The problem is they go buy their old prior dose, or use a different dealer who has a more potent product. I never met anyone who set out to OD on opioid. If what they claim is so true then people would be constantly committing suicide via these methods. It's all propaganda and lies!

 

[ham and potatoes]

From the accounts I've read on SN attempts, those who witnessed the person CTB say it didn't look peaceful and those who survived say it was painful. But people who survived opioid ODs describe it as peaceful and just drifting off and only had pain when they woke up after being saved. So many people accidentally OD, if someone is determined to CTB, wouldn't it be as easy as taking 10x the amount an addict usually takes?

I have a bottle of SN, but the more I read up on it, the more I'm hesitant. I want my last few moments to be as peaceful as possible. It's easy to get fent or heroin off of the DNM, so why aren't more people opting for this method?

Man, I'm with you there. If it does come to me ending things, it's going to be Fent or some synthetic opioid.

but what is DNM

Dark Net Markets

 

[Endofpain]

I would 100% choose an opioid over SN.

 

[motherofmahesh]

Man, I'm with you there. If it does come to me ending things, it's going to be Fent or some synthetic opioid.

Dark Net Markets

This is my ideal. I really don't want to use SN.

 

[Sbetto]

Hi,

I'm not sure what sources you've found regarding SN and the alleged suffering associated with its ingestion, but I'd like to share what I've personally found. I've read several threads from people who survived (thanks to medical intervention) an SN ingestion, and many of them describe the experience as completely painless, except for vomiting, which is a side effect. You can read these accounts in the following thread:
Thread on Sanctioned-Suicide

Additionally, I found a video on WPD where a girl documents her SN poisoning over a video call. From what I saw, it didn't seem like she suffered particularly. Here's the link to the video:
Video on WatchPeopleDie

 

[alienfreak]

Opioids and OD's are really overrated. I'm so tired of the pharmacist asking do I want narcan when I go pick up my prescription. The reality is if I took my whole bottle of narcs I wouldn't die! I prob just sleep for a little but I'll be fine. People that OD are heroin aren't trying to OD. They usually have stopped using and relapse. The problem is they go buy their old prior dose, or use a different dealer who has a more potent product. I never met anyone who set out to OD on opioid. If what they claim is so true then people would be constantly committing suicide via these methods. It's all propaganda and lies!

I dont think i follow your logic. Your observations are about how much dosage it takes to OD and how it is affected by tolerance. With an intentional OD you can choose to take a much higher amount (more than your one bottle, injected or insufflated) that will essentially guarantee death unless there is intervention.

 

[dontwakemeup]

One edition of the Peaceful Pill Handbook went so far as to say that the main reason it recommended Nembutal over opioids was because old people are averse to opioids for cultural and legal reasons. They dont want to 'die like a junkie' or something. I think a lot of it is irrational like that. DNM availability depends on your country, not everyone is in USA, and people have an aversion to it because of legal risk and how technical it is. SN is legal and more available.

I dont think i follow your logic. Your observations are about how much dosage it takes to OD and how it is affected by tolerance. With an intentional OD you can choose to take a much higher amount that will essentially guarantee death unless there is intervention.

I dont think i follow your logic. Your observations are about how much dosage it takes to OD and how it is affected by tolerance. With an intentional OD you can choose to take a much higher amount that will essentially guarantee death unless there is intervention.

Let me clarify. I was comparing a heroin user and how they end up ODing. Then I stated how prescribed narcotics are overrated in the possibility of ODing. I then said how I get a prescribed narcotic and the pharmacist always gives me this speech about Narcan because I'm prescribed a narcotic. I ended by saying if I took my whole bottle of narcotics it wouldn't kill me and I said it's all propaganda and lies with opioids and ODing. Let me clarify, prescribed opioids. Now what you get off the street is nothing I know about.

 

[Endofpain]

Hi,

I'm not sure what sources you've found regarding SN and the alleged suffering associated with its ingestion, but I'd like to share what I've personally found. I've read several threads from people who survived (thanks to medical intervention) an SN ingestion, and many of them describe the experience as completely painless, except for vomiting, which is a side effect. You can read these accounts in the following thread:
Thread on Sanctioned-Suicide

Additionally, I found a video on WPD where a girl documents her SN poisoning over a video call. From what I saw, it didn't seem like she suffered particularly. Here's the link to the video:
Video on WatchPeopleDie

What I noticed so far is that almost everybody experiences vomiting (little exception) and tachycardia.
Also the time until you go unconcious varies a lot.

It is also important to talk about the underlying reason why one falls unconcious. With SN this seems to be caused due to the simple lack of oxygenated blood caused by methaemoglobemia.
An IV overdose of heroin on the other hand is described by rendering you unconcious by central nervoussystem depression before you stop to breathe.

 

[alienfreak]

Let me clarify. I was comparing a heroin user and how they end up ODing. Then I stated how prescribed narcotics are overrated in the possibility of ODing. I then said how I get a prescribed narcotic and the pharmacist always gives me this speech about Narcan because I'm prescribed a narcotic. I ended by saying if I took my whole bottle of narcotics it wouldn't kill me and I said it's all propaganda and lies with opioids and ODing. Let me clarify, prescribed opioids. Now what you get off the street is nothing I know about.

I see. I totally agree that the danger involved with the risk profile and the safety margins has been exaggerated. Even the risk with addiction is exaggerated. It's sad that opioids are so demonised now that even people with legitimate pain find it hard to get medication that would help them.
I suppose with street drugs it can still be quite possible to accidentally overdose if someone gets a chunk of material due to bad quality control, or users misjudge tolerance - risks that are largely all a consequence of the war on drugs.
I do think intentionally overdosing on street opioids to ctb is quite easy to achieve, i incorrectly thought you were arguing against that

 

[dontwakemeup]

I see. I totally agree that the danger involved with the risk profile and the safety margins has been exaggerated. Even the risk with addiction is exaggerated. It's sad that opioids are so demonised now that even people with legitimate pain find it hard to get medication that would help them.
I suppose with street drugs it can still be quite possible to accidentally overdose if someone gets a chunk of material due to bad quality control, or users misjudge tolerance - risks that are largely all a consequence of the war on drugs.
I do think intentionally overdosing on street opioids to ctb is quite easy to achieve, i incorrectly thought you were arguing against that

I totally agree I think street opioids are probably a great method and I often why people don't use that route. I'm scared of being busted buying something like that and I wouldn't even know who to ask for that. So I'm stuck here.

 

[alienfreak]

I totally agree I think street opioids are probably a great method and I often why people don't use that route. I'm scared of being busted buying something like that and I wouldn't even know who to ask for that. So I'm stuck here.

Yeah. It's not popular in my country and im not a citizen so if i order online and it gets intercepted id likely be deported and there would be a lot of problems

 

[theolivanderroach]

Getting SN is way easier than getting opioids off a DNM. Plus SN is legal and the other isn't. And I'm pretty sure SN is far more reliable than opioid OD. I've OD'd at least twice (opioid/benzo/alcohol combo) and clearly that didn't work.

 

[ham and potatoes]

Getting SN is way easier than getting opioids off a DNM. Plus SN is legal and the other isn't. And I'm pretty sure SN is far more reliable than opioid OD. I've OD'd at least twice (opioid/benzo/alcohol combo) and clearly that didn't work.

I agree, SN is easier, and probably more successful, but opioids seem to involve less suffering. The SN accounts don't sound pleasant at all

 

[sorrynormal]

Then I stated how prescribed narcotics

By what special alchemy were you able to acquire pain medication at all? All I see is prohibition now.

 

[enditplz]

Sorry to ask
but what is DNM?
:P
ty <3

Darknet market.

 

[JustHere1]

To jump on this topic, would fent be more reliable and risk-reduced than CTB by handgun? I would love to ensure a pain-free death. Fent seems really rapid and not difficult to use - I just don't have the knowledge in acquiring or using the DNM. Are there folks here who would be able to guide me through this process privately or is it more of a find-the-trail kind of deal? I'd want to get enough to CTB in one go if that's possible?

 

[opheliaoveragain]

since no one has dropped this well authored thread

Why ODs Fail Miserably (A Guide)

I think your Benadryl numbers are off? I always see 20-40mg/kg as the ld50 for adult humans. Your linked source lists 10mg/kg as the minimum lethal dose in humans. By the 20-40mg/kg numbers, about one 25mg pill per 2lbs body weight would be the math.

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[enditplz]

Hi,

I'm not sure what sources you've found regarding SN and the alleged suffering associated with its ingestion, but I'd like to share what I've personally found. I've read several threads from people who survived (thanks to medical intervention) an SN ingestion, and many of them describe the experience as completely painless, except for vomiting, which is a side effect. You can read these accounts in the following thread:
Thread on Sanctioned-Suicide

Additionally, I found a video on WPD where a girl documents her SN poisoning over a video call. From what I saw, it didn't seem like she suffered particularly. Here's the link to the video:
Video on WatchPeopleDie

SN Successful and Unsuccessful cases 2023 update

I have combined and added all the brief summary of all the attempts, assumed successful and unsuccessful, of SN suicide. These are all posts that the member has made to document the method, news articles, and scientific articles. If I have missed any I apologise and it would be great if you can...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Reading through this thread, the ones with witnesses say it didn't seem peaceful and there are accounts of people experiencing 6-7/10 pain levels causing them to call emergency services, though being in that much pain seemed rare. The symptoms majority of people described like feeling nauseous, dizzy, racing heart, headache isn't what I'd like to experience for 10-20 minutes before I pass.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I haven't ever taken any opiods so I wouldn't know where to start or where to get them. My worry would be physical damage although I don't know what the chances are of that. Plus I'd prefer something legal if possible. It's partly why I didn't buy N at the time (also wasn't familiar with bitcoin or whatever you needed to use) and I feel like I know a lot about SN at this point and I'm happy(ish) to go with that method over anything else. I agree the effects like a racing heart and panic will probably be really scary as there are plenty of uncomfortable feelings that don't just involve pain and panic is a really horrible feeling. I do worry I'll wake-up after passing out and/or call for help. Being in hospital sounds horrible, but then people seem to be discharged really quickly in like a day so there's that!

 

[enditplz]

To jump on this topic, would fent be more reliable and risk-reduced than CTB by handgun? I would love to ensure a pain-free death. Fent seems really rapid and not difficult to use - I just don't have the knowledge in acquiring or using the DNM. Are there folks here who would be able to guide me through this process privately or is it more of a find-the-trail kind of deal? I'd want to get enough to CTB in one go if that's possible?

Here's a post someone wrote on accessing the DNM: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-access-dark-net-markets-for-ctb-resources.106130/

CTB by handgun is reliable if you know exactly where to shoot and use a high enough caliber. But if it goes wrong, it goes really wrong. I watched a video of a guy with his face blown off from a botched CTB attempt and the doctors were doing everything they could to keep him alive, just prolonging his misery. I wouldn't want to risk ending up like that, so handguns are a no for me.

 

[JustHere1]

Here's a post someone wrote on accessing the DNM: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-access-dark-net-markets-for-ctb-resources.106130/

CTB by handgun is reliable if you know exactly where to shoot and use a high enough caliber. But if it goes wrong, it goes really wrong. I watched a video of a guy with his face blown off from a botched CTB attempt and the doctors were doing everything they could to keep him alive, just prolonging his misery. I wouldn't want to risk ending up like that, so handguns are a no for me.

I've researched extensively and covered the full thread. It's my current method and I am pretty confident on angle and placement but want more info. I've heard that story before and that's from usually a shotgun or bullet under the chin - the main method that is doomed to fail. I'm going for the medulla and brain stem thru mouth with a hollow point - mushrooms out and conks around in the general location straight on - should be immediate.

That's why I'm carefully looking for other kinder methods I can use instead or as a backup, or as a combo method. I'll check that out, thank you!!

 

[333.333]

Modern opioids can't kill you, you will just experience an awful blackout

 

[dontwakemeup]

By what special alchemy were you able to acquire pain medication at all? All I see is prohibition now.

I go to a pain clinic because I'm in chronic pain I've never done illegal drugs, or purchased drugs from from anyone besides my pharmacy.

 

[sorrynormal]

I go to a pain clinic because I'm in chronic pain I've never done illegal drugs, or purchased drugs from from anyone besides my pharmacy.

Yeah I had a pain Dr then they retired. I moved to Michigan and pain meds don't exist here.