Why aren’t opioids preferred over SN?

[dontwakemeup]

Yeah I had a pain Dr then they retired. I moved to Michigan and pain meds don't exist here.

I would move. I don't know how you're able to function without pain medication. But isn't Michigan is a heroin crisis? I seen something about that a few years ago, I think it was a documentary.

 

[sorrynormal]

I would move. I don't know how you're able to function without pain medication. But isn't Michigan is a heroin crisis? I seen something about that a few years ago, I think it was a documentary.

I've already moved 25 times in 20yrs and live in a fixed income. There's nowhere for me to move to that I can qualify for with an income of 2k/month.

 

[dontwakemeup]

I've already moved 25 times in 20yrs and live in a fixed income. There's nowhere for me to move to that I can qualify for with an income of 2k/month.

I'm sorry, that seems so unfair. I remember waiting to get a CT scan do I could be able to go to the pain clinic, it was terrible and I cried a lot because my pain was unmanaged. I took a bottle of Tylenol pm thinking I was ctb. It didn't work obviously but I was grossly sick and miserable.

It's so unfair that you have to go without proper treatment because of your state laws. Idk how you were able to afford to move that many times. I'm looking to move from my state next year and it seems expensive and overwhelming.

 

[sorrynormal]

I'm sorry, that seems so unfair. I remember waiting to get a CT scan do I could be able to go to the pain clinic, it was terrible and I cried a lot because my pain was unmanaged. I took a bottle of Tylenol pm thinking I was ctb. It didn't work obviously but I was grossly sick and miserable.

It's so unfair that you have to go without proper treatment because of your state laws. Idk how you were able to afford to move that many times. I'm looking to move from my state next year and it seems expensive and overwhelming.

I was only able to move that many times avoiding homelessness. Outside of two long distance moves, all the moves were in the tri state mid atlantic area. I defeinetly sold a ton of shit and had to rebuy it over the years. I have my CT xray and all that, its just Michigan is ground zero for the so called opiate hysteria. Two of the hospitals in the town I live in don't give opiates... for any reason. Insane I know.

I'm not in a condition to battle with the medical system. I'm fairly certain I'll need to jump through significant hoops to get anything that actually works (and that I've had before). I've spent a lot of time on /r/chronicpain. It's now fairly common for drs to extort their patient into painful non fda approved 'injections' and other treatments before they will even think of giving you an rx. I'm talking over a year of bullshit treatments. I'm not doing it.

My condition can't be helped w injections anyway , but I'm sure they would try. It's not feasible to inject all 24 nerves that innervate the chest...

 

[dontwakemeup]

I was only able to move that many times avoiding homelessness. Outside of two long distance moves, all the moves were in the tri state mid atlantic area. I defeinetly sold a ton of shit and had to rebuy it over the years. I have my CT xray and all that, its just Michigan is ground zero for the so called opiate hysteria. Two of the hospitals in the town I live in don't give opiates... for any reason. Insane I know.

I'm not in a condition to battle with the medical system. I'm fairly certain I'll need to jump through significant hoops to get anything that actually works (and that I've had before). I've spent a lot of time on /r/chronicpain. It's now fairly common for drs to extort their patient into painful non fda approved 'injections' and other treatments before they will even think of giving you an rx. I'm talking over a year of bullshit treatments. I'm not doing it.

My condition can't be helped w injections anyway , but I'm sure they would try. It's not feasible to inject all 24 nerves that innervate the chest...

I'm so sorry. I ignorantly thought all states had the same criteria to be able to get pain medication. I would be terrified to live there! I once watched a documentary where people were relocating to states who legalized Marijuana because they said it helped their chronic pain. I thought they were being extra and excessive.Now, I'm in chronic pain and I clearly understand as I could see that being a factor as to where I'd move.

So can I ask, what do you take when you're in pain? Is it sufficient enough?

 

[sorrynormal]

I've already moved 25 times in 20yrs and live in a fixed income. There's nowhere for me to move to that I can qualify for with an income of 2k/month.

So can I ask, what do you take when you're in pain? Is it sufficient enough?

I only have access to kratom and as far as how I deal with it, I prefer to be in bed 23hrs/day. And this is nothing new. I started having to lay down during the day when I was 15 (Im now 44), 2yrs after a horrific operation I wont get into. I literally can only tolerate standing up for so long. It is my entire thoracic cavity, so anything like sitting standing is affected. The only time I can think straight is while laying down supine totally flat, no pillows.

Over the years I've crafted multiple apparatus to use a computer while laying in a bed, glass desk, glass table, a loft bed. So that's my quality of life. I have basically none. I had an angle of a Dr in Maryland who gave me what I needed for 10yrs than she retired. I moved here bc I thought I met someone who was honest and after being in MI for 3 months found out everything was a lie and they moved out 6 months later. I'm not from here and have no interest in this state.

But since I haven't worked in 10yrs and it's impossible for me to work w/o any support, I'm stuck. I can't even access what little might be able to help me because I have no family, social support, or money.

On many days I sit in a recliner and moan in pain, so yeah it sucks.

 

[dontwakemeup]

I only have access to kratom and as far as how I deal with it, I prefer to be in bed 23hrs/day. And this is nothing new. I started having to lay down during the day when I was 15 (Im now 44), 2yrs after a horrific operation I wont get into. I literally can only tolerate standing up for so long. It is my entire thoracic cavity, so anything like sitting standing is affected. The only time I can think straight is while laying down supine totally flat, no pillows.

Over the years I've crafted multiple apparatus to use a computer while laying in a bed, glass desk, glass table, a loft bed. So that's my quality of life. I have basically none. I had an angle of a Dr in Maryland who gave me what I needed for 10yrs than she retired. I moved here bc I thought I met someone who was honest and after being in MI for 3 months found out everything was a lie and they moved out 6 months later. I'm not from here and have no interest in this state.

But since I haven't worked in 10yrs and it's impossible for me to work w/o any support, I'm stuck. I can't even access what little might be able to help me because I have no family, social support, or money.

On many days I sit in a recliner and moan in pain, so yeah it sucks.

I use to try Kratom in hopes if helping my pain, it is disgusting! Be careful, they say in large quantities kratom can have a heroin like effect.

It's just unfortunate that we have all these medications and Dr's saying we can't have them. Having chronic pain is definitely a reason to want to ctb. It would serve you absolutely insane!

Thankfully, you no longer gave to work. I wish I could get disability and just rest. I hear bith good and bad things about those injections so I don't blame you for refusing.

I'm so tired of pills. Sometimes I'll use a TENS units, Bengay or stuff like that. My biggest fear is the medications will stop working as my body will grow an adherence to it.

I hope you can find something better somehow so you're not in pain so much. I'm really sorry you gave to deal with this.

 

[sorrynormal]

Sometimes I'll use a TENS units,

You may want to consider an Alpha-Stim, its a micro-current device. It's like the evolution of the TENS unit. I sold mind because it cant be used on the chest but with the ear clips it made me feel like I was on a beach. You might want to research it.

 

[dontwakemeup]

You may want to consider an Alpha-Stim, its a micro-current device. It's like the evolution of the TENS unit. I sold mind because it cant be used on the chest but with the ear clips it made me feel like I was on a beach. You might want to research it.

I never heard of that. I'll look and see if it's on Amazon. Thank you so much

 

[Valhala]

Opioids are generally more difficult to obtain, illegal and of very questionable purity, which all by itself deters most people from using them for CTB. I would agree that they are a relatively calmer methodq compared to SN, but their harder availability, illegality and very questionable purity of the substance ranks them below SN as means of choice.

 

[ThisIsLife]

I see opioids as a better alternative, but there are a few things to consider and I think those are the reasons why opioid o/d have a high failure statistic:

- Street vs pharmaceutical: differences in potency and quality. One is most of the times cut, the other is not.

- Tolerance: do I have to state the obvious ?

- Dose: again, the tolerance has to be taken into account and a fatal dose for some could be another day at the office for others.

- Mixing or not mixing: for example alcohol x1,5 the potency and increases the chances of respiratory depression. Some will take the drug alone and fail, some will take the same stuff or the same dose and o/d because (or thanks to) the added "ingredients", such as alcohol, benzos or any famous CNS depressants.

- What kind of opioid ? : there are plenty, but not all work the same, they don't work the same on everyone and not all of them are good to o/d on.

- The route: opioids taken orally are known to make you vomit when the dose is too high; for example transdermal patches or IV are a whole different game.

- The timeframe and being alone or not: it happens a lot of times that the subject is found; not only because he/she had a friend passing by or family they lived with, but because dying from o/d takes quite a time; and since Narcan is very good at what it does, here you go again.

So yes, opioids could statistically have a better success rate if the subject had no tolerance, a large enough or potent enough pharmaceutical grade opioid taken via transdermal or IV, access to other substances that potentiate it and zero chance of being found until it's too late (like >15 hours minimum). And I think those are the main reasons why a lot of people fail with this method, it's not easy to check all those boxes and let's be pragmatic about one thing: a large part of those who try this method had access to the drug, and chances are if they had access to it in the first place they were using and their tolerance was high enough to screw it.

SN, given how it works, is also very powerful stuff. I'm definitely not a fan of the substance and would never CTB with this because the side effects scare me, but I understand it's "success" since it's simple, straightforward and deadly af.

 

[Romanticize]

Modern opioids can't kill you, you will just experience an awful blackout

lol, no, thats huge misinformation!

Every opioid can kill you. Even OTC codeine or dhc (dihydrocodeine). Why do you think there is Opioid epidemic in US, even highly tolerant junkies are dying left and right, from very "modern" opioids.

@ThisIsLife
I'm doing opioids every day for 6 years. Got huge tolerance, my daily dose would probably kill 3 people, and I don't feel anything.
I'm a huge advocat of opio+benzo over SN, however in my case, i will probably do all three. Because opio becomes unreliable with a tolerance to 1.5g of Oxy or M daily.

Opioid CTB is FAR better than SN. No panic, no pain, nothing.
You don't have to have fentanyl. You don't need to shoot it up your vein. Oxy or Morphine oral route is all you need.

People choose SN because its legal, can be ordered via clearned.
For Opio you need some contacts or darknet.
Also many people lack the understading how opioids work.

You need a big dose + potentiate it with benzos. It's the most simialr method to our beloved N, drift off to sleep and that's all.
I envy people who got no tolerance to those substances. It can change a lot. You need much higher dose, andis still unreliable. Tolerance is hard to grasp for people that haven't experienced it.

 

[be or not to be]

With nitazenes there should not be a problem of purity if the distributor is good? and can it be ordered on the clearnet even

 

[Peter Skellern]

To jump on this topic, would fent be more reliable and risk-reduced than CTB by handgun? I would love to ensure a pain-free death. Fent seems really rapid and not difficult to use - I just don't have the knowledge in acquiring or using the DNM. Are there folks here who would be able to guide me through this process privately or is it more of a find-the-trail kind of deal? I'd want to get enough to CTB in one go if that's possible?

Did you get anywhere using the Darkweb? If you didn't get anywhere you can PM me.

 

[L'absent]

However, two grams rectally, even if not one hundred percent pure, even if it were pure, say 30%, is certainly lethal. this is because he is afraid of needles, or is not precise with needles

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't know how to get access to opioids and, due to my autism and social anxiety, I have no chance of dealing with street dealers to get an opioid that is reliable and pure enough to kill me. However, getting access to SN is far easier for me though that's only because of DMC

 

[Peter Skellern]

I don't know how to get access to opioids and, due to my autism and social anxiety, I have no chance of dealing with street dealers to get an opioid that is reliable and pure enough to kill me. However, getting access to SN is far easier for me though that's only because of DMC

There's the DarkWeb. Thetes a bit of a learning curb as I'm finding just getting onto the markets - like the PGP Decrypted message.

 

[conflagration]

Opioids are unreliable and can give you brain damage if you survive.

 

[L'absent]

lol, no, thats huge misinformation!

Every opioid can kill you. Even OTC codeine or dhc (dihydrocodeine). Why do you think there is Opioid epidemic in US, even highly tolerant junkies are dying left and right, from very "modern" opioids.

@ThisIsLife
I'm doing opioids every day for 6 years. Got huge tolerance, my daily dose would probably kill 3 people, and I don't feel anything.
I'm a huge advocat of opio+benzo over SN, however in my case, i will probably do all three. Because opio becomes unreliable with a tolerance to 1.5g of Oxy or M daily.

Opioid CTB is FAR better than SN. No panic, no pain, nothing.
You don't have to have fentanyl. You don't need to shoot it up your vein. Oxy or Morphine oral route is all you need.

People choose SN because its legal, can be ordered via clearned.
For Opio you need some contacts or darknet.
Also many people lack the understading how opioids work.

You need a big dose + potentiate it with benzos. It's the most simialr method to our beloved N, drift off to sleep and that's all.
I envy people who got no tolerance to those substances. It can change a lot. You need much higher dose, andis still unreliable. Tolerance is hard to grasp for people that haven't experienced it.

In your opinion, what would be the lethality percentage of 10 grams of heroin taken rectally, assuming the substance is cut and thus has a lower purity? And what symptoms might occur before loss of consciousness? Thank you.

 

[Romanticize]

In your opinion, what would be the lethality percentage of 10 grams of heroin taken rectally, assuming the substance is cut and thus has a lower purity? And what symptoms might occur before loss of consciousness? Thank you.

Hey man

If you don't have tolerance to opioids because you've never done them (or just for pain, long time ago, not abusing the drugs), then rectal 10g heroin would be 99,999% deadly.
Rectal bioavailability of heron is 10-30%, so 10g means you would ingest 1-3g like intravenously.
For an opioid naive person it's 100% deadly dose (even 200-400mg would be most likely fatal, and for reference you are ingesting 1000-3000mg)

The onset will be rapid and you will feel effects within 5-10minutes, starting with drowsiness.
Then visible symptoms will be: slurred speech, inability to respond, shallow breathing, and just driting into unconsciousness. Your brain will be so dulled and slowed down, you will probably feel euphoria, or that problems don't exist.
So unconsciousness should happen within 15-25min, and death will follow in 30-60min. It's almost completely painless.

 

[L'absent]

Hey man

If you don't have tolerance to opioids because you've never done them (or just for pain, long time ago, not abusing the drugs), then rectal 10g heroin would be 99,999% deadly.
Rectal bioavailability of heron is 10-30%, so 10g means you would ingest 1-3g like intravenously.
For an opioid naive person it's 100% deadly dose (even 200-400mg would be most likely fatal, and for reference you are ingesting 1000-3000mg)

The onset will be rapid and you will feel effects within 5-10minutes, starting with drowsiness.
Then visible symptoms will be: slurred speech, inability to respond, shallow breathing, and just driting into unconsciousness. Your brain will be so dulled and slowed down, you will probably feel euphoria, or that problems don't exist.
So unconsciousness should happen within 15-25min, and death will follow in 30-60min. It's almost completely painless.

Thank you. Why do you say almost completely painless? Would I feel suffocated?

 

[Gruffin]

It's just a matter of access, it's not nearly as easy to get fent or opioids as SN depending on your circumstances. Fent overdose is the best method by far, I would not even put SN at #2

 

[Romanticize]

Thank you. Why do you say almost completely painless? Would I feel suffocated?

No, opioids don't suffocate you in the traditional sense.
It IS completely painless. They slow down your CNS [brain] to the point it "forgets" to breathe. Involuntary breathing reflex is dulled.

By the time it is done, you are far into unconsciousness.

Basically, you fall asleep and then die, completely painless.

 

[Peter Skellern]

lol, no, thats huge misinformation!

Every opioid can kill you. Even OTC codeine or dhc (dihydrocodeine). Why do you think there is Opioid epidemic in US, even highly tolerant junkies are dying left and right, from very "modern" opioids.

@ThisIsLife
I'm doing opioids every day for 6 years. Got huge tolerance, my daily dose would probably kill 3 people, and I don't feel anything.
I'm a huge advocat of opio+benzo over SN, however in my case, i will probably do all three. Because opio becomes unreliable with a tolerance to 1.5g of Oxy or M daily.

Opioid CTB is FAR better than SN. No panic, no pain, nothing.
You don't have to have fentanyl. You don't need to shoot it up your vein. Oxy or Morphine oral route is all you need.

People choose SN because its legal, can be ordered via clearned.
For Opio you need some contacts or darknet.
Also many people lack the understading how opioids work.

You need a big dose + potentiate it with benzos. It's the most simialr method to our beloved N, drift off to sleep and that's all.
I envy people who got no tolerance to those substances. It can change a lot. You need much higher dose, andis still unreliable. Tolerance is hard to grasp for people that haven't experienced it.

What's a big dose in Oramorph (Liquid Morphine) terms? I'm looking at this but I'm undecided due to the potential surviving and brain damage aspect. Oramorph 300ml at 5mg/10ml is available on the DW. I'm totally opiod naive by the way.

 

[heyismeman]

Opioids and OD's are really overrated. I'm so tired of the pharmacist asking do I want narcan when I go pick up my prescription. The reality is if I took my whole bottle of narcs I wouldn't die! I prob just sleep for a little but I'll be fine. People that OD are heroin aren't trying to OD. They usually have stopped using and relapse. The problem is they go buy their old prior dose, or use a different dealer who has a more potent product. I never met anyone who set out to OD on opioid. If what they claim is so true then people would be constantly committing suicide via these methods. It's all propaganda and lies!

100k people died of opioid od a year and some research suggests up to 30% of those are actual suicides