Discussion Why do people pick and choose?

[amerie]

I still don't get it, whenever the general person does something problematic (rape, racism, etc.) they get cancelled and immediately held accountable, even lots of influencers, but for some reason I notice that people have this weird sense of hierarchy where certain celebrities are exempt? I don't understand it. There are tons of rappers with rape allegations sometimes even proven under their belt or other wild shit but no one says anything or cares because "oMg hEs An Og YoU cAnT cAnCeL hIm".

It confuses me, is it the type of audience they attract?? Is it what they get famous for?? Or is it attractive privilege? Because I've seen influencers like Dream and Emmuhlu literally become internet punching bags but people who commit literal crimes are protected.

 

[Alo97]

seems like "anything for money" some disorders and money focus make them driive that way?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Except, a lot of average people don't get "canncelled" or even immediately held accountable. A lot of them still get away with their crimes. When it comes to celebrities, they have the money and resources needed for them to have an even easier time getting away from being held accountable. You also need to take into consideration parasocial relationships. A lot of fans have strong parasocial relationships with their favourite celebrities, idolizing them and feeling a sort of one-sided connectedness with them. As a result, just like how a family member or close friend may defend their loved one from something, such as abuse allegations, fans will defend their favourite celebrities from these sorts of allegations.

 

[amerie]

Except, a lot of average people don't get "canncelled" or even immediately held accountable. A lot of them still get away with their crimes. When it comes to celebrities, they have the money and resources needed for them to have an even easier time getting away from being held accountable. You also need to take into consideration parasocial relationships. A lot of fans have strong parasocial relationships with their favourite celebrities, idolizing them and feeling a sort of one-sided connectedness with them. As a result, just like how a family member or close friend may defend their loved one from something, such as abuse allegations, fans will defend their favourite celebrities from these sorts of allegations.

Okay yes the first part is true to an extent, in fact I actually have seen this phenomenon in real life in my hometown with regular people.

There was a "nerdy" "loser" kid at my Highschool who no one really liked all that much because he was slightly odd, the kids in his class egged him on into saying the n word while recording him without his consent and posted it on the confessions page where he got clowned and people even threatened to find him and beat him up. It's lowkey obvious that he's some type of Autistic as well.

But what's weird to me is in the area I live in a lot of the Mexican Americans will say the n word to the point where actual black people say it less than them, but nothing will happen to them or call them out and their reputation will be unharmed, unfortunately it probably just is a popularity game where people only view those who are charismatic and attractive as above basic human decency the same way that questionable things in the Bible and Quran are heavily justified ://

This is why I wanna kms bro.

. You also need to take into consideration parasocial relationships. A lot of fans have strong parasocial relationships with their favourite celebrities, idolizing them and feeling a sort of one-sided connectedness with them. As a result, just like how a family member or close friend may defend their loved one from something, such as abuse allegations, fans will defend their favourite celebrities from these sorts of allegations.

And as for this though what confuses me is dream for example had a lot of girls who romanticized him but when the hate train came out it seems that he had more haters than supporters (some even abandoning him), but we see so many rappers and kpop idols don't even lose their fanbase. But this is probably the type of audience that the media they create attracts and their values.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

And as for this though what confuses me is dream for example had a lot of girls who romanticized him but when the hate train came out it seems that he had more haters than supporters (some even abandoning him), but we see so many rappers and kpop idols don't even lose their fanbase. But this is probably the type of audience that the media they create attracts and their values.

Who is "him"? If you are talking about that kid from your high school, then it should be noted that having a crush isn't the same as establishing a parasocial relationship with someone. A crush is just you feeling attracted to someone. A parasocial relationship is having a one-sided relationship with someone. Think of it like comparing someone who happens to think that their teacher is kind of cute vs someone who is an extreme swifty (the ones who refer to her as "mother").

Along with that, the situations are completely different. You are talking about a high school, where things like social conformity/peer acceptance will also play a role in how students treat each other. A lot of school environments tend to have a social hierarchy and a lot of students try to maintain their place in it or climb up it by trying to follow what others are doing. By comparison, with celebrities, the relationship is typically one-sided and there isn't usually as much social pressure to ditch the celebrity if they've done anything wrong, especially since there is a good chance that people will forget about it and move on once the next big thing happens.

Along with that, a lot of fans typically tend to hang out with one another, whether that be online or in real life. Fans usually tend to have their own little communities/in-groups that revolve around their favourite celebrity. People tend to like being liked, so in order to be accepted by others in our community we may conform to the group "rules". Over time, being a part of these communities can lead to things, such as group polarization. These communities may produce a disproportionate number of arguments in favour of a cause in relation to whichever celebrity the community revolves around that they already support to some extent. People may also adjust their position to the most dominant one to be better liked by the group. Over time, this can lead to these communities becoming increasingly extreme. This mixed in with the fact that celebrities make money off of the parasocial relationships they harbour with their fans, encouraging them and their management to further feed into them, likely results in an entire community of people who are willing to defend these celebrities with every fibre in their bodies.

 

[amerie]

Who is "him"? If you are talking about that kid from your high school, then it should be noted that having a crush isn't the same as establishing a parasocial relationship with someone. A crush is just you feeling attracted to someone. A parasocial relationship is having a one-sided relationship with someone. Think of it like comparing someone who happens to think that their teacher is kind of cute vs someone who is an extreme swifty (the ones who refer to her as "mother").

Along with that, the situations are completely different. You are talking about a high school, where things like social conformity/peer acceptance will also play a role in how students treat each other. A lot of school environments tend to have a social hierarchy and a lot of students try to maintain their place in it or climb up it by trying to follow what others are doing. By comparison, with celebrities, the relationship is typically one-sided and there isn't usually as much social pressure to ditch the celebrity if they've done anything wrong, especially since there is a good chance that people will forget about it and move on once the next big thing happens.

Along with that, a lot of fans typically tend to hang out with one another, whether that be online or in real life. Fans usually tend to have their own little communities/in-groups that revolve around their favourite celebrity. People tend to like being liked, so in order to be accepted by others in our community we may conform to the group "rules". Over time, being a part of these communities can lead to things, such as group polarization. These communities may produce a disproportionate number of arguments in favour of a cause in relation to whichever celebrity the community revolves around that they already support to some extent. People may also adjust their position to the most dominant one to be better liked by the group. Over time, this can lead to these communities becoming increasingly extreme. This mixed in with the fact that celebrities make money off of the parasocial relationships they harbour with their fans, encouraging them and their management to further feed into them, likely results in an entire community of people who are willing to defend these celebrities with every fibre in their bodies.

No offense but are you illiterate? I was talking about dream the Minecraft tuber. Please learn how to read properly before jumping to conclusions :)

i genuinely don't understand why you're yelling at me…

Who is "him"? If you are talking about that kid from your high school, then it should be noted that having a crush isn't the same as establishing a parasocial relationship with someone. A crush is just you feeling attracted to someone. A parasocial relationship is having a one-sided relationship with someone. Think of it like comparing someone who happens to think that their teacher is kind of cute vs someone who is an extreme swifty (the ones who refer to her as "mother").

Along with that, the situations are completely different. You are talking about a high school, where things like social conformity/peer acceptance will also play a role in how students treat each other. A lot of school environments tend to have a social hierarchy and a lot of students try to maintain their place in it or climb up it by trying to follow what others are doing. By comparison, with celebrities, the relationship is typically one-sided and there isn't usually as much social pressure to ditch the celebrity if they've done anything wrong, especially since there is a good chance that people will forget about it and move on once the next big thing happens.

Along with that, a lot of fans typically tend to hang out with one another, whether that be online or in real life. Fans usually tend to have their own little communities/in-groups that revolve around their favourite celebrity. People tend to like being liked, so in order to be accepted by others in our community we may conform to the group "rules". Over time, being a part of these communities can lead to things, such as group polarization. These communities may produce a disproportionate number of arguments in favour of a cause in relation to whichever celebrity the community revolves around that they already support to some extent. People may also adjust their position to the most dominant one to be better liked by the group. Over time, this can lead to these communities becoming increasingly extreme. This mixed in with the fact that celebrities make money off of the parasocial relationships they harbour with their fans, encouraging them and their management to further feed into them, likely results in an entire community of people who are willing to defend these celebrities with every fibre in their bodies.

Jesus Christ dude you actually mis read my entire post so bad it pissed me off how hard is it to read properly. Like the WHOLE post you literally got entirely wrong please re read things before jumping to conclusions.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

No offense but are you illiterate? I was talking about dream the Minecraft tuber. Please learn how to read properly before jumping to conclusions :)

i genuinely don't understand why you're yelling at me…

Jesus Christ dude you actually mis read my entire post so bad it pissed me off how hard is it to read properly. Like the WHOLE post you literally got entirely wrong please re read things before jumping to conclusions.

Wow, and I thought I was rude. Also, when did I yell at you? I'm just trying to answer your question.

 

[aespa]

Wow, and I thought I was rude. Also, when did I yell at you? I'm just trying to answer your question.

nah fr she be getting mad so easily when i was giving advice to SOMEBODY else

 

[Privateer2368]

I still don't get it, whenever the general person does something problematic (rape, racism, etc.) they get cancelled and immediately held accountable, even lots of influencers, but for some reason I notice that people have this weird sense of hierarchy where certain celebrities are exempt? I don't understand it. There are tons of rappers with rape allegations sometimes even proven under their belt or other wild shit but no one says anything or cares because "oMg hEs An Og YoU cAnT cAnCeL hIm".

It confuses me, is it the type of audience they attract?? Is it what they get famous for?? Or is it attractive privilege? Because I've seen influencers like Dream and Emmuhlu literally become internet punching bags but people who commit literal crimes are protected.

You're talking about rappers. Look at their fanbase.

 

[CatLvr]

Lol this ENTIRE thing made my head hurt ...

 

[Forever Sleep]

It does seem strange. I watched the biographical drama 'Priscilla' (Presley) a few months back and I found that a bit dodgy to be honest. His favourite age for females seemed to be 13 to 14 years old. I guess people will say it was a different era and all that but I agree, it is weird how sometimes, love of their music, art, direction or whatever else seems to superseed sometimes really awful crimes. I suppose some would argue you should separate an Artist from their work. You can still appreciate their work- even if they turn out to be a monster. Still- I agree- sometimes, I think it does work in the reverse. Something about their art or whatever attracts people to them seems to make some of them more forgiveable to some. Maybe it just makes them harder to hate if you happen to admire them for a skill.

 

[Deleted member 94706]

No offense but are you illiterate? I was talking about dream the Minecraft tuber. Please learn how to read properly before jumping to conclusions :)

i genuinely don't understand why you're yelling at me…

Jesus Christ dude you actually mis read my entire post so bad it pissed me off how hard is it to read properly. Like the WHOLE post you literally got entirely wrong please re read things before jumping to conclusions.

how can you yell at someone through a text message?

Okay yes the first part is true to an extent, in fact I actually have seen this phenomenon in real life in my hometown with regular people.

There was a "nerdy" "loser" kid at my Highschool who no one really liked all that much because he was slightly odd, the kids in his class egged him on into saying the n word while recording him without his consent and posted it on the confessions page where he got clowned and people even threatened to find him and beat him up. It's lowkey obvious that he's some type of Autistic as well.

But what's weird to me is in the area I live in a lot of the Mexican Americans will say the n word to the point where actual black people say it less than them, but nothing will happen to them or call them out and their reputation will be unharmed, unfortunately it probably just is a popularity game where people only view those who are charismatic and attractive as above basic human decency the same way that questionable things in the Bible and Quran are heavily justified ://

This is why I wanna kms bro.

And as for this though what confuses me is dream for example had a lot of girls who romanticized him but when the hate train came out it seems that he had more haters than supporters (some even abandoning him), but we see so many rappers and kpop idols don't even lose their fanbase. But this is probably the type of audience that the media they create attracts and their values.

No one cares because they're mexicans, they can say the word.

 

[Aloneandinpain]

A lot of it comes down to politics and woke hierarchy.

If someone is black/homosexual/female etc then identity politics gives them a pass, particularly if they have radical leftist views (or at least pretend to).

Of course it doesn't always work, particularly for example where they stand in the progressive stack compared to their victims.

So if a white woman abuses a heterosexual white man that's ok and it would be his fault or somehow deserved, but if she were to abuse a black man in the same way she'd usually be cancelled.

About the only time you might get fairness/logic is if both parties have the same oppression points standing in the eyes of the left and legacy media.

The flip side of this is the soft bigotry of low expectations, where people who get the most oppression points can simply never be accountable for their own actions.