Why healthy people will never accept this forum

[Lazy]

After all this Online Safety Act stuff and a recent post here about a BBC documentary covering SaSu I desided to share my thoughts, just because there is really noone, beside myself, with whom I could talk about this so sorry if this is boring or smth.
I belive that most people who demonize this forum do so, not due to a lack of compassion but to maintain there worldview and sanity. Should they accept SaSu's existence as something that helps people, they would admit, that lots of people are in situations where recovery is near impossible and death really is the preferable option. This heavily conflicts with the narrative of hope and happy endings which most were led to belive in/is a part of "human nature". Therefore this forum is (sub-)conciously branded as different and therefore wrong by the average person.
I don't know how it is for others but for me personally, this forum is the only place I can speak freely and share my feelings, so if I'd be to explain my situation to anyone even somewhat empathic I doubt they would still want this forum to be taken down.
I guess I'm also kind of making this post because I see lot's of hate against "normies" on this site and, in my opinion, we really can't blame them. Please note that I am not a Pro-Lifer, nor do I blame anyone here. In the end it is just a lack of knowledge and comunication, if suicide would not be a tabu topic, SaSu would probably not exist.
All that aside, fuck the BBC and fuck the government for scaring the public even more about suicide, meanwhile not acknowledging suicide as a symptom rather that a cause.

P.S. by the "heathy people" in the title I meant people who do not want to ctb, just wantet the title to be concise and "normies" sounds to passive agressive.

 

[AreWeWinning]

The living will never accept the fact that some people just want to die. The idea that suicides must be stopped and prevented is impossible to challenge. Whenever I think about this problem, I get frustrated and just stop, because it really feels like an unsolvable problem.

Death cannot be accepted. Not even on this forum, not anywhere. Preservation of life is always preferred. If this weren't the case, the human race would have gone extinct by now. It's in our DNA. These arguments can never be won.

I will not watch that documentary, because I know I'd just get angry. There are so many double standards. The arguments between the two sides — pro and against life — are never fair. The living will try to convince everyone to continue living. Why? At the end of the day, because that's what they want, and that is the generally accepted thing to do. But why? Just because. There is no reason.

Encouraging someone to live is accepted. Encouraging someone to die is not. Help is only allowed if it helps the person to live. If it helps with something else, that's not called help but a sin. Support by definition means giving a person encouragement because you want them to succeed. But if it's succeeding in death, then support is not allowed anymore. It's only allowed when it aligns with what the other party wants. How is that fair?

There are always two sides to the coin. When someone wants to die, the standard response is always "I'm sorry you feel that way.", or "Have you considered getting help?". Why do people feel sorry, and why do they want to help them live? Why do we never say "I'm sorry you want to live." or "Have you considered getting help and dying?" Why? Because life wants to continue. It just does. For no logical reason.

The only people who accept death are the ones who truly want to die. Life will always want to continue, and the self-preservation instinct will always be there — it's against the interest of the living to let people die.

 

[LetMeOut67]

They don't want to give any encouragement
They're afraid it will become too popular , escaping this nonsense
They know that this planet is a hellscape and that life is not a gift apart for a tiny %

 

[Ijustcantanymore]

We can definitely blame normies when they take actions or make laws that harm people like us here. Absolutely.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

There's also the fact that for some people SaSu is a source of hope, and not a ctb discussion place. It is, after all, a community where people can connect better because they know how it is to suffer and to want to ctb.

Superficial views will always be that, superficial. If they want to go deep inside this forum, smart outsiders will see that there is more to suicide than just suicide.

 

[Haematemesis]

There's also the fact that for some people SaSu is a source of hope, and not a ctb discussion place. It is, after all, a community where people can connect better because they know how it is to suffer and to want to ctb.

Superficial views will always be that, superficial. If they want to go deep inside this forum, smart outsiders will see that there is more to suicide than just suicide.

i was more suicidal before i got into this forum
sometimes, all we need is connection and being heard

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

Help is only allowed if it helps the person to live. If it helps with something else, that's not called help but a sin. Support by definition means giving a person encouragement because you want them to succeed. But if it's succeeding in death, then support is not allowed anymore. It's only allowed when it aligns with what the other party wants. How is that fair?

Wish I could scream this from the rooftops, you put it perfectly. It's the same when they accuse us of "distorted thinking" solely because we're suicidal, when their thinking is often just as distorted.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

Healthy people already have connection in the usual places. We have to dig deep, work for it, conquer it. If we look at ourselves, the fact that we went to such lengths and fought so many battles to find connection, makes us actually powerful and resilient, much more than most. We suffer, and it tires us, but indeed, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.

 

[LetMeOut67]

We should all pledge to CTB if this place is shut down LMAO

Deal with that you self righteous pricks

 

[wham311]

Sick of people trying to help improve your situation. Sick of telling the same story to try to convince people. The only way you're helping is putting a bullet in my head. Anything else is a waste of time. Go fuck yourself but kill me first.

 

[StupidCat]

Fuck the government

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

We should all pledge to CTB if this place is shut down LMAO

Deal with that you self righteous pricks

Umm...wouldn't this justify their crusade? They don't really want to help us. They just want to make sure suicide is seen as bad. Doing that will make them go "See? They were really a suicide cult! Not a place for support! Suicide bad live for us peasants so we can exploit youuuu!

 

[LetMeOut67]

The irony is that they want us dead and wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire
If we are not slaving for them

Do gooders go fuck yourselves

 

[Hollowman]

Healthy people already have connection in the usual places. We have to dig deep, work for it, conquer it. If we look at ourselves, the fact that we went to such lengths and fought so many battles to find connection, makes us actually powerful and resilient, much more than most. We suffer, and it tires us, but indeed, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.

I don't know about stronger, definitely older.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

The irony is that they want us dead and wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire
If we are not slaving for them

Do gooders go fuck yourselves

Hey now, I'm a do gooder! But only to people that deserve it, like you guys here. :)

I don't know about stronger, definitely older.

Ya think those healthy people have what it takes to trudge every day on our realities? Yeah, we're stronger, and I'm adamant about it!

 

[LostLily]

People don't understand the depths of despair and hopelessness that leads us here. And rather work with the root of the problem they rather take down the only website were we can talk freely.

Fuck them, it's my life and I up to me how I live it or how I end it.