Your personal political ideology? 🫏 🐘

[Meteora]

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I affiliate to this

 

[Temporal_Anchorite]

This is what I got. Tbh I didn't really have an opinion on most of the questions though. I thought I would be much more progressive lol

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You seem fairly well-rounded, nothing too radical. Why'd you anticipate a higher placement on the progressive axis?

From my understanding, classical liberalism is often referred to as "fiscal conservatism" in the US and "economic liberalism" outside of the US. It gets a bit confusing.

Yes, the American use of the word "liberal" is a bit strange and differs from the rest of the world's usage. In the US, "liberal" is a pretty broad & ambiguous political category that can encompass anything from neoliberals to social democrats and even progressives. Classical liberalism is relatively esoteric ideology in the US, and most people who align with it also likely consider themselves libertarians (another political label that means something different in America lol). To grossly oversimplify classical liberalism, it really boils down to a free market capitalist economic system operating in tandem with a social system structured around civil rights, individual liberty, and limited government.

 

[darkenmydoorstep]

Libertarian comes closest.

I despise the current electoral systems.

Used to be more left wing but 'Covid' showed me they are all the same. Both parties were in broad agreement- they wanted to impose measures in society 'for the greater good'. I disagree with that philosophy. I think individuals should not have their freedoms tampered with to 'help' someone else.

We are due an election here in the UK and I will not be voting. As far as I am concerned,
voting upholds the credibility of a flawed system. Why would I want to uphold that authority? I want the systems to collapse, a bit of anarchy to ensue which would then make way for a fresh start.

 

[Pessimist]

Yes, the American use of the word "liberal" is a bit strange and differs from the rest of the world's usage. In the US, "liberal" is a pretty broad & ambiguous political category that can encompass anything from neoliberals to social democrats and even progressives. Classical liberalism is relatively esoteric ideology in the US, and most people who align with it also likely consider themselves libertarians (another political label that means something different in America lol). To grossly oversimplify classical liberalism, it really boils down to a free market capitalist economic system operating in tandem with a social system structured around civil rights, individual liberty, and limited government.

I appreciate capitalism. The pro-Hamas guys are always the unhinged communists. Nazis were also anti-capitalists.

 

[dragonofenvy]

"Centrist" libertarian-ish. Hard to describe because I've had people call me an alt-right nazi and communist. People also get super mad when I say "X has a better argument, but I still believe in Y." Political compass says I'm center-left which doesn't really mean a whole lot. If I bothered to vote I'd vote again for right-wing parties (I'm American so use the American definition... which I guess centrist could be considered far-right by some people in the US so maybe don't use the American definition).

I think I'm just the average person. I believe whatever seems logical enough and aligns with my values and what would benefit me. I don't trust the government or politicians and am disenfranchised by the whole political system and so have become apathetic.

 

[sserafim]

I appreciate capitalism. The pro-Hamas guys are always the unhinged communists. Nazis were also anti-capitalists.

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The Nazis were anti-capitalist?

 

[4am]

The Nazis were anti-capitalist?

obviously they were, duh, they had socialism in the name of their party /s

 

[sserafim]

obviously they were, duh, they had socialism in the name of their party /s

They were fascist though. Idk why they called themselves "national socialist" tbh

 

[4am]

They were facist though. Idk why they called themselves "national socialist" tbh

yeah, they were, and they burned socialist books, like of marx

also i've heard that they used the name to get into power because socialism was popular in europe at the time

 

[DarkRange55]

They were facist though. Idk why they called themselves "national socialist" tbh

This is just my understanding, I could be wrong.

The term "National Socialist" in the name "Nazi" comes from "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei," which translates to National Socialist German Workers' Party. While the Nazis did incorporate elements of socialism into their ideology, such as state control of industries and a focus on the collective good, their regime was fundamentally fascist, characterized by authoritarianism, nationalism, racism, and dictatorial control. Hitler and the Nazis strategically used socialist rhetoric to appeal to certain segments of the population but implemented policies and practices that aligned more closely with fascist ideology.

 

[dragonofenvy]

They were facist though. Idk why they called themselves "national socialist" tbh

It was to gain popularity. There were also a lot of socialist policies Hitler was advocating for during the 1920s to garner support from the working class. Hitler knew the socialist policies wouldn't work and would just send the failing economy straight to hell in seconds if implemented. So instead he got support from the wealthy and became more and more anti-socialist. There were two brothers named Otto and Gregor Strasser in the party, both of whom were left-wing socialists. They became disenfranchised with Hitler and Otto left and formed an anti-capitalist movement called the Black Front. Gregor remained as head of the left-wing part of the Nazis but realized he had no power. I don't remember what ended up happening to him but I think he got put in a concentration camp. Hitler then in the 1930s allied himself with conservatives to gain full authority in the government and purged anyone who interfered with his authoritarianism, including all socialists.

Hitler was an opportunist. He used everyone he could caring only for himself and his beliefs and would've called himself a die-hard communist if it meant he could betray everyone and gain power to destroy what he hated... so just an average politician. I think he actually was a socialist at first before he became an admirer of Mussolini's Fasci Di Combattimento (where facism originated from) movement. This movement called for progressive taxes, an 8 hour work day (an extreme change during a time when men would work 10-16 hour days), and worker's councils to have their grievances heard were what made it popular among the people. This progressiveness seems strangely familiar...

Economy wise Nazi Germany like almost every single western country to this day was a mixed economy. A combination of the free market with central planning, and Nazi Germany had a lot of central planning (which failed a lot since Hitler was a bit incompetent with the economy) but not quite as much as the Soviet Union but it wasn't nearly as free as the US's or UK's at that time. Everybody for some reason called mixed economies capitalist. I do not know why. I don't think a single country uses pure capitalism as a model and only North Korea uses pure socialism as a model. Both extremes do not work, pure capitalism can only work at a local level (think lemonade stands a kid would set up) which is why no governments do it since it hurts them.

Sources used are a reference only. I have a bit of an autistic obsession with history and didn't want to put in 5000 sources that I used to write this especially since much came from memory. Feel free to fact-check since history often has multiple sides and biases. I just showed one side of it thrown in with my biases.

 

[Pessimist]

The Nazis were anti-capitalist?

Yes, the Nazis blamed Jews for both capitalism and communism.

 

[sserafim]

 

[dragonofenvy]

SapplyValues

sapplyvalues.github.io

I find it to be infinitely better than the popular political compass quiz everyone is familiar with.

The problem I have with these tests is that it's black and white. For example, the question of "The government should, at most, provide emergency services and law enforcement." What does it mean if I disagree? Does that mean the government shouldn't? In my head disagreeing means switching "at most" with at least. What does the person who made the test think? I have such a hard time answering many of the questions because I think "okay well sometimes or some amount" rather than thinking in extremes and all or nothing scenarios.

What about "Two consenting individuals should be able to do whatever they want with each other, even if it makes me uncomfortable." Ah yes an 11 year old and 19 year old should be able to have sex because the 11 year old consented too. No I don't think so. Two men should be able to marry each other because they consent. Sure. So what happens when I disagree with the question?

If curious here's what I got which honestly is decently accurate I'd say.

 

[Pessimist]

yeah, they were, and they burned socialist books

Communist and Marxist books*

 

[4am]

What about "Two consenting individuals should be able to do whatever they want with each other, even if it makes me uncomfortable." Ah yes an 11 year old and 19 year old should be able to have sex because the 11 year old consented too. No I don't think so. Two men should be able to marry each other because they consent. Sure. So what happens when I disagree with the question?

11 year olds can't consent so i think it's implied that individuals are adults

 

[Pessimist]

Yes, the Nazis blamed Jews for both capitalism and communism.

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Example of this in a real Nazi propaganda poster:

 

[Temporal_Anchorite]

I appreciate capitalism. The pro-Hamas guys are always the unhinged communists. Nazis were also anti-capitalists.

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Communists/socialists and the pro-Hamas crowd have a considerable amount of overlap with their analytical lens and worldview. Both are rooted in a similar Marxist false dichotomy of "oppressor vs oppressed". Both view themselves as some sort of revolutionary political syndicate, boldly rising above to break the shackles and overthrow their oppressor. Both hate America and Western democracies, many of them even consider Israel to be nothing more than just an American forward operating base in the Middle East. Most of them are filled with nothing more than hate, discontent, envy, and fantasies of one day obtaining power themselves.

At least the Nazis were honest and transparent with their antisemitism so you could identify them easily. Leftists play rhetorical games and like to conceal their antisemitism behind euphemisms like "anti-Zionism".

Capitalism promotes freedom and prosperity; so naturally, those who actively stand against it will likely have more pronounced authoritarian tendencies (e.g fascists, Nazis, communists, socialists).

 

[Pessimist]

Communists/socialists and the pro-Hamas crowd have a considerable amount of overlap with their analytical lens and worldview. Both are rooted in a similar Marxist false dichotomy of "oppressor vs oppressed". Both view themselves as some sort of revolutionary political syndicate, boldly rising above to break the shackles and overthrow their oppressor. Both hate America and Western democracies, many of them even consider Israel to be nothing more than just an American forward operating base in the Middle East. Most of them are filled with nothing more than hate, discontent, envy, and fantasies of one day obtaining power themselves.

At least the Nazis were honest and transparent with their antisemitism so you could identify them easily. Leftists play rhetorical games and like to conceal their antisemitism behind euphemisms like "anti-Zionism".

Capitalism promotes freedom and prosperity; so naturally, those who actively stand against it will likely have more pronounced authoritarian tendencies (e.g fascists, Nazis, communists, socialists).

 

[sserafim]

You seem fairly well-rounded, nothing too radical. Why'd you anticipate a higher placement on the progressive axis?

Idk lol

 

[TopChicken]

Communist and Marxist books*

They also burned anything remotely related to being trans and gay. There was a huge lgbtq scene in Germany in the 1920s. I forget what the club was called.

I'm definitely a marxist-lenninist. My blood bleeds red, oh wait...

 

[Ferdinand Bardamu]

I know labels aren't always helpful but what is your overall broad stroke of everything political ideology

Some mix of Technocracy, Italian Futurism, Transhumanism, and Paetellian NazBol

 

[DarkRange55]

Some mix of Technocracy, Italian Futurism, Transhumanism, and Paetellian NazBol

Oh wow that's actually a very interesting combination. Would you care to elaborate? That just makes me kind of curious.

 

[Bannana]

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I know labels aren't always helpful but what is your overall broad stroke of everything political ideology and how did you come to it?

personally I just wan't to live in the woods and be one with nature, so I would call myself an Anarchist

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm a Democratic Socialist living in America.

 

[Malaria]

 

[Ferdinand Bardamu]

They were fascist though. Idk why they called themselves "national socialist" tbh

'Why', I asked Hitler, 'do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party program is the very anthesis of that commonly accredited to Socialism?'

'Socialism', he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, 'is the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

'Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

'We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…

Hitler had his own defitnition of Socialism. He purged most of the "Red Fascists" (Strasser, Paetel, et cetera) from the party fairly early on. Paetel talks a bit about this in the NazBol manifesto.

 

[DarkRange55]

I haven't watched Jreg since like 2020 though? I thought he went to shit, but apparently not, judging by the wealth of his latest videos. Or has he overcome his lull? I wonder what he said about the current Russian civil war.


And just to have it in public, I think there were different pasts - antiquity and the Middle Ages. Antiquity was characterised by great conquerors, genocides, slavery, philosophy and steam engines - whereas the Middle Ages were small-scale, cholera-ridden, religion-obsessed, and began human rights.

Like legit I was so lost at the concept of which state I would even like to play in Stainless Steel Historical Improvement Project. Lithuania because paganism? Or Sicily because stupor mundi? The rest is so boring. Meanwhile, in antiquity - G R A E C O - B A C T R I A.

Antiquity was characterized by great conquerors, genocides, slavery, philosophy and steam engines
The trivial stuff has been forgotten.

- whereas the Middle Ages were small-scale, cholera-ridden, religion-obsessed, and began human rights.
The code of Hammurabi dates to antiquity.

 

[WildAtHeart]

Conservative.

Nationalist in nature but not regressive or expansionistic. I just love my country.

That being said I do have some more liberal/left leaning thoughts on things like drugs.

But overall conservative.

 

[Trex]

Theocracy