CTBing over politics is retarded.

[Yavannah]

situations like this show once again why assisted dying for people with mental health conditions will never get approved.
they think we are all unstable & cant think rational.

 

[endofline2010]

The problem is is that a lot of people will be effected.
Please try to take that in consideration before you post, this isn't helpful

Only if people are around long enough to be affected. This is a suicide forum. I can see this being an issue for people in the recovery sub, but in suicide discussion, why? It's like saying an asteroid will hit earth in two years. Asteroid or not, if you weren't going to be here in two years, what difference does it make?

 

[Deleted member 8119]

Wow this replies are lame. You start from the conclusion doomsday will set in, that the others are faithful to their word and never ever had significant bad impacts whatsoever, and warp you worldview around it, and now you have to go through the horrible CTB experience out of this fears you are feeding 24/7.

Like you realize you're only harming yourself, right? You know this isn't healthy in any way and you let fear to control your whole life to the point of dying. Instead of trying to move out if you hate US so much or trying to live your life (yes it will be actually possible), you're literally wasting your life away.

I 100% agree with OP. If you wanna argue, you literally justify wanting to feel as much despair as possible. Please focus on something healthier than politics just once! It's literally killing you!!!

 

[Goosechan]

whether a suicide is a tragedy or not is dependent on whether that person had any value and the cause/manner of death

I kindly disagree. Nobody just commits for the sake of it. There was always some form of suffering or unfortunate circumstances ahead. Maybe not every form of suffering is as bad for everyone, but we should value those who experience suffering differently from ourselves just as much as others. I think the suffering or unfortunate circumstances are always, inherently tragic. It doesn't matter what value the person committing had (to you) or which way they chose to exit. I'm happy we have SaSu to talk about these difficult things to temper the suffering, even if it is just a little bit. It makes everything the slightest bit less tragic to be amongst understanding and non-judging company.

Only if people are around long enough to be affected. This is a suicide forum. I can see this being an issue for people in the recovery sub, but in suicide discussion, why? It's like saying an asteroid will hit earth in two years. Asteroid or not, if you weren't going to be here in two years, what difference does it make?

A lack of a liveable durable perspective can make all the difference. Everyone here is at a different point in their journey with death. Some are struggling with feelings and are here mainly for understanding. Others have taken a different route. Sometimes routes divert, people take turns. Safe routes (in this specific case to life) being taken away can absolutely influence someone's decision to take a (to them) less desirable route in certain cases.
Just because you are sucidal, doesn't mean that you absolutely have to see the world in black and white. In matters and matters not. There's nuance to be found everywhere in every state.
SaSu isn't around to have suicide be the end-point for all the members. SaSu is around to have pro-choice and understanding be available for all members.

 

[Ol Messier 87]

I wouldn't say that it's "retarded", but it sure is lying to yourself. Your problem is not Trump or Kamala related, and the election of neither of those people would be able to solve it.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I did not vote because regardless of who is president, my life circumstances are remaining the same. I am still me and i have been deprived of being born the correct way. There is no point in leaving my house when nothing changes for me.

Politics are not causing any of you to CTB. Your mind was made up about being on this site long before this election. You survived Trump's first reign as president, and short of CTBing for your actual reasons for being on this site, you'll survive this one.

 

[Dot]

Only if people are around long enough to be affected. This is a suicide forum. I can see this being an issue for people in the recovery sub, but in suicide discussion, why? It's like saying an asteroid will hit earth in two years. Asteroid or not, if you weren't going to be here in two years, what difference does it make?

Nt evry1 = goin2 ctb -- ppl cme 2 sasu 2 tlk 2 othr ppl strugglng wth suicdl feelngs

Wow this replies are lame. You start from the conclusion doomsday will set in, that the others are faithful to their word and never ever had significant bad impacts whatsoever, and warp you worldview around it, and now you have to go through the horrible CTB experience out of this fears you are feeding 24/7.

Like you realize you're only harming yourself, right? You know this isn't healthy in any way and you let fear to control your whole life to the point of dying. Instead of trying to move out if you hate US so much or trying to live your life (yes it will be actually possible), you're literally wasting your life away.

I 100% agree with OP. If you wanna argue, you literally justify wanting to feel as much despair as possible. Please focus on something healthier than politics just once! It's literally killing you!!!

Depnds on th/ persn

As othr ppl hve sd - othrs wll b affctd

Trns ppl wll lkely hve rghts strippd awy in certn st8tes -- th/ cultre whch = nurturd wll lkely incrse violnce 2wrds certn grps
Increasd racst rhtoric & 'dport evry1' wll lkely increse violnce 2wrds ethnc minortis

= alwys frstr8tng 2 C ppl sy 'if u d/ nt lke usa thn leav' if ppl wh/ r frightnd r usa citzns whse rghts r b-ing strippd -- Y shld usa citzns hve 2 leav -- mny ppl r also nt abl 2 leav fr financl or educatnl or visa rel8td reasns

Feelng trappd & hpelss wll oftn incrse suicdl ideatn

Slf advce fr ppl nervs abt outcme of electn = 2 try 2 sty clm & C wht happns - thre mght b dffclt evnts ahed bt also thre wll b lts of fear-mongrng & certn thngs mght nt happn
Fnd whichvr spport grps u cn & spport ech-othr
Trmp = 78 y/o & wll nt b arnd 4revr & slf sw sme1 els commnt tht givn md-trms happn evry 2 yrs thn h/ mght nt hve as mch tme 2 implemnt certn measres as ppl thnk

= tme 2 cme 2gthr thru uncertnty & spport ech-othr as mch as pssble - espclly thru th/ initl shck of rsults 2dy


& also - sty awy frm Twittr

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I personally don't care about elections because I know that it won't change what life is fundamentally like and that it's all a distraction from the true issues of life anyway. I was bewildered at first from seeing all of the posts here about trump as I never gave a shit about politics myself (as I don't give a shit about anything in life other than to be dead asap and mitigate my suffering via the path of least resistance whilst I'm alive) but seeing the posts here in detail have removed my apathy and would have made me vote for somebody other than trump. Of course I'm not an american but, if I was and I saw the posts here beforehand, I would vote just this once to try and make sure trump doesn't win

situations like this show once again why assisted dying for people with mental health conditions will never get approved.
they think we are all unstable & cant think rational.

Lets be honest, we would never get assisted dying even if we were the most rational beings on the planet. They will always think that we're unstable because they have started with the assumption that death is bad no matter what so, even if we were to present the most logical and straightforward arguments to them, it wouldn't matter

 

[simplyshmee]

You've missed the point, which is that you shouldn't use intellectual disability as a pejorative.

I didn't miss anything. My point is exactly what I stated.

 

[ctb2soble]

I think it's kinda cute people think some unknown puppeteers have decided everything beforehand and we should just not even bother to vote. That everything people are feeling right now, the fear, the anxiety, the dread, is just them being silly. those feelings couldn't be from lived experience, from witnessing events over the past four years could it? the rise of white/christo/fascist nationalism, reproductive rights, lgtbq+ rights, bipoc... its not just trump, it's how openly vile the entire republican apparatus has become and these next four years may be quite devastating, with effects lasting long after 2028.

trump is the greatest grifter of all time. Trump voters are fools for thinking he will improve their situation. and republicans have always been far more favorable to the rich, the wealthy, corporations and successfully destroyed unions decades ago so workers can be exploited. so now for example TX and FL are happy to help businesses out by outlawing water breaks for workers working outdoor in deadly heat. Republicans are the epitome of wanting people to be wageslaves, to be constantly worried about their livelihood. more unions would mean greater worker rights/treatment and less wageslavery

Yes, whoever you vote for, and whoever gets into office does not have a real impact on anything. The people with black budgets who work in the department of defense, and the ultra rich donors to political campaigns who have the funds to lobby for their own interests for decades without breaking a sweat. Those are the real people/organizations with power. Alot of Americans have fallen for the lie of blue vs red, and have thus fully demonized the people they should be working with to find common ground and solutions with.

But you wanna know who hasn't fallen for this lie? The ultra rich people of the world who realize that working together is alot more lucrative and to their benefit than blindly hating another group. I grew up in a cult and I've seen how blind hate easily leads to people forgetting how to use critical thinking skills to see beyond us vs them, and America is so far down that path that I don't know if they can ever get back to a good state.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

Depnds on th/ persn

As othr ppl hve sd - othrs wll b affctd

Trns ppl wll lkely hve rghts strippd awy in certn st8tes -- th/ cultre whch = nurturd wll lkely incrse violnce 2wrds certn grps
Increasd racst rhtoric & 'dport evry1' wll lkely increse violnce 2wrds ethnc minortis

Your opinion. Want mine?

It's pure cynicism. If this was really a concern for them, they'd thought this before. 2016 didn't ruin the US. 2020 didn't fix anything at all in the US. It's an excuse to be angry at something.

Trump is shit, but I'm tired as fuck to pretend that both sides aren't comparable.

Also if Kamala was winning and people wanted to die over it, I can you guarantee 100% those people wouldn't receive even a fraction of the support this threads are getting. The feelings may be real, but the whole christo-fascism rhetoric are literally just very self-destructive theatrics.

= alwys frstr8tng 2 C ppl sy 'if u d/ nt lke usa thn leav' if ppl wh/ r frightnd r usa citzns whse rghts r b-ing strippd -- Y shld usa citzns hve 2 leav -- mny ppl r also nt abl 2 leav fr financl or educatnl or visa rel8td reasns

Note I said "trying" to leave instead of blaming everyone who stays. I'm aware of this.

Also do you have a better option? The US are a terrible place to live, for much, much reasons that what one sole guy can take full responsibility from.

Feelng trappd & hpelss wll oftn incrse suicdl ideatn

Slf advce fr ppl nervs abt outcme of electn = 2 try 2 sty clm & C wht happns - thre mght b dffclt evnts ahed bt also thre wll b lts of fear-mongrng & certn thngs mght nt happn
Fnd whichvr spport grps u cn & spport ech-othr
Trmp = 78 y/o & wll nt b arnd 4revr & slf sw sme1 els commnt tht givn md-trms happn evry 2 yrs thn h/ mght nt hve as mch tme 2 implemnt certn measres as ppl thnk

= tme 2 cme 2gthr thru uncertnty & spport ech-othr as mch as pssble - espclly thru th/ initl shck of rsults 2dy


& also - sty awy frm Twittr

This second half I agree with, but makes the post kinda redundant. You are saying what I did with extra-steps. You said it affects others, but then proceed to say things can turn different than their fears. Which I totally agree, but then why replying me?

 

[Failedtime]

as someone who is trans, i really doubt that my human rights will remain under trump. this really does feel like life or death for me and i envy those where it isn't such

Solidarity and love. This is a scary fucking time. Lotta tears.

 

[guineapiglover8503]

Solidarity and love. This is a scary fucking time. Lotta tears.

im so fucking scared. best of luck to you too

 

[nails]

pretty retarded take if you ask me

i mean losing the rights to make decisions regarding your own body is a pretty decent reason to ctb, i think. idk about you, but i personally enjoy the idea of bodily autonomy and hate the fact that i'm about to lose it to a man who has bragged about taking it away in the past.

also, lmaooo where tf do you live where politics won't affect your life? or are you truly just that privileged in every regard?

ahh being in a position where i don't have to worry about politics or laws being put into place that directly go against my existence/rights sounds amazing. i would probably have the same thought process as you if i were in that position... and if i lacked empathy, of course.

 

[Failedtime]

im so fucking scared. best of luck to you too

Heres a post a blogger I trust had posted... From

Erin Reed | Substack

Transgender Journalist reporting on LGBTQ+ legislation, news, and life every day. Linktree/Socials: https://linktr.ee/erininthemorn Website/booking: https://www.erininthemorning.com/

substack.com

""Trans and queer readers, and allies... The election did not go the way we wanted. While we did win many notable state level races, and could still come away with the House, the result of tonight will have repercussions on our lives for a generation. In some ways, we are no longer fighting for our own rights, but for those who come next... Which is sad, but hopeful in some ways. When I look back to the people who came before us... Dora Richter, Christine Jorgensen, Wendy Carlos... I don't think about how horrible the things they overcame were. I smile, because their stories made it possible for us to be who we are today. I will always be here to tell our stories, because one day, those who come next will read them and remember that we are the ones who made it possible. Take care of yourselves. I'm opening one final chat for the post-election results here. Thank you all for following along with me on election night, and I will have much more to say tomorrow. Thanks..."

I'd just wanted, growing up, to have a cat and play lots of video games. I'm sure the named trans folk would have liked similar. Organizing is a foundational part of being trans/queer. It's hard. It hurts everywhere but thankfully not every day.

Another phenomal trans femme for times like this is Kai Cheng Thom.

Love and solidarity neighbor.

 

[Unspoken7612]

I didn't miss anything. My point is exactly what I stated.

You have again missed the point, which is that your original point was very bad.
If someone is intellectually disabled, then, when relevant, you should call them "intellectually disabled" rather than using the r-word.
Calling an idea "intellectually disabled" is no better than calling it the r-word.

 

[lnlybnny]

I understand your perspective I really do, but politics is something deeply ingrained in everything around us, even aspects we sometimes overlook.

 

[maniac116]

I Couldn't agree more!!!!
In the US we have political "system". One person, good or bad can't go to off the rails in our system & destroy it

 

[F@#$]

Exactly. People who say they don't care about politics or whoever wins the election = I'm privileged enough for none of this to affect me. Pfft, if only we had that luxury. Women, immigrants, LGBTQ+ community, disabled people, children, POC are fucked.

Privileged my ass! I'm just so broken and beat down that it doesn't matter to me nor do I care. My life will be shit no matter who's the fuckin president.
Screw you to,don't want you to feel left out.

Screw this post and screw everyone downplaying what this election means for us affected. Trump is a shithead

 

[Deleted member 8119]

I understand your perspective I really do, but politics is something deeply ingrained in everything around us, even aspects we sometimes overlook.

I also understand why you think this, but please consider this thoughts only make you lose more. Everyone is breaking down and clearly suffering so much.

When people say it's not the end of the world, it isn't because we are hedonists who only care about ourselves. We really mean that. It isn't the center of everything and there are some things out of govt control. You still have the possibility to take a break from politics and the scene around.

If your idea of the future happens to be wrong (and I'll tell you; it was 8 years ago, and so many more times on so many around the world), if your perception turns out to be flawed, what did you suffer for? Nothing at all. You made your life miserable. Your fears may not even come in, and if that's the case, you will probably end up thinking "what have I been doing?".

pretty retarded take if you ask me

i mean losing the rights to make decisions regarding your own body is a pretty decent reason to ctb, i think. idk about you, but i personally enjoy the idea of bodily autonomy and hate the fact that i'm about to lose it to a man who has bragged about taking it away in the past.

also, lmaooo where tf do you live where politics won't affect your life? or are you truly just that privileged in every regard?

ahh being in a position where i don't have to worry about politics or laws being put into place that directly go against my existence/rights sounds amazing. i would probably have the same thought process as you if i were in that position... and if i lacked empathy, of course.

I speak with people across the globe. By far, the ones who care the less about politics are always the ones more sunk in the shit, or in the countries where life matters the less. And it's not few cases, but a constant pattern that persisted over time.

This strawman that apoliticism = white privileged guy is so untrue it makes me think, with all due respect, you may never left your hometown or know nothing external to you.

 

[nails]

I speak with people across the globe. By far, the ones who care the less about politics are always the ones more sunk in the shit, or in the countries where life matters the less. And it's not few cases, but a constant pattern that persisted over time.

This strawman that apoliticism = white privileged guy is so untrue it makes me think, with all due respect, you may never left your hometown or know nothing external to you.

well, i haven't dealt with many straight white guys; but the ones i've talked to are usually the ones who have the careless attitude towards politics, even after acknowledging the hurt that comes with it.

it's all about the acknowledgment of the shit that comes with someone like trump being elected (not that i support kamala, either.)
someone not giving a fuck because they simply don't look at it is one thing; someone seeing the hurt that comes with, y'know, having your bodily autonomy ripped away and still remaining dismissive (like op) is an entirely different thing and was the group/mindset i was referring to in my original comment. and yeah, this group usually consists of more privileged people who simply aren't affected by politics.
they don't even have to be white i could provide anecdotal evidence but i doubt it'd matter.

 

[Ol Messier 87]

well, i haven't dealt with many straight white guys; but the ones i've talked to are usually the ones who have the careless attitude towards politics, even after acknowledging the hurt that comes with it.

it's all about the acknowledgment of the shit that comes with someone like trump being elected (not that i support kamala, either.)
someone not giving a fuck because they simply don't look at it is one thing; someone seeing the hurt that comes with, y'know, having your bodily autonomy ripped away and still remaining dismissive (like op) is an entirely different thing and was the group/mindset i was referring to in my original comment. and yeah, this group usually consists of more privileged people who simply aren't affected by politics.
they don't even have to be white i could provide anecdotal evidence but i doubt it'd matter.

99% of the people I've met in my life had only a superficial interest in politics and therefore only a very basic understanding of it, and they usually woke up every four years at the same time, pushed to the polls by the media and speeches by party leaders. The same goes for the football world cup, every four years everyone suddenly feels like a hooligan... Social classes and colors are equal in this matter.

 

[mrpeter]

why are you posting a pgp key

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

I don't know if anyone else has said what I said, I am also busy so I haven't had time to read replies but I wanna say a few things.

Firstly, ew, you shouldn't use the r-slur or intellectual disabilities as an insult or pejorative term. Secondly, it isn't dumb, we don't judge reasons here. Thirdly, you explicitly said "But CTBing over something that may not even directly affect you" which is downright false! It does directly affect MANY people. I'm not one but many people are. Take a look at the Democratic PAC ad titled "Republicans are killing your wife" or something along those lines and know this has happened to people. Women are dying due to restrictions on abortion rights. Anyways, I gotta get back to what I was doing but people's incompetence never fail to amaze me.

 

[nails]

99% of the people I've met in my life had only a superficial interest in politics and therefore only a very basic understanding of it, and they usually woke up every four years at the same time, pushed to the polls by the media and speeches by party leaders. The same goes for the football world cup, every four years everyone suddenly feels like a hooligan... Social classes and colors are equal in this matter.

i agree that activism is just performative for a lot of people these days, but that doesn't change any of the actual points i've made.

i can't speak for you or the circles that you are active in, but conversations around politics never die down in my circles. i even see it present in circles that i don't necessarily engage in.
we could discuss personal experiences all day, it doesn't really do much.
i just don't see why you commented this, it doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

most people who name call etc over this (also kind of a gross word to use OP, expand your vocabulary) aren't going to experience the consequences of a trump win.

I wasn't going to reply to anyone but well said, I'm happy some people are so damn privileged that they don't experience or know anyone who experiences the consequences of a Trump win

 

[egAbwkOofXrX]

There are many different reasons someone could CTB, and I get that they have the right to do so and that there could be many other premeditated factors to their suicide other than just the election. But CTBing over something that may not even directly effect you to such a significant point over any other directly factors is probably one of the most naive reasons to leave. Not saying much else because my schedule is tight but that's all I have to say. Your lives are worth significantly more than what happens in politics and there's better things to be concerned about in the course of your lives.

Shit this is uninformed and ignorant, the kind of person who would write this is not the kind of person affected (not effected)

 

[Ol Messier 87]

i agree that activism is just performative for a lot of people these days, but that doesn't change any of the actual points i've made.

i can't speak for you or the circles that you are active in, but conversations around politics never die down in my circles. i even see it present in circles that i don't necessarily engage in.
we could discuss personal experiences all day, it doesn't really do much.
i just don't see why you commented this, it doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Did you mention social backgrounds that are so privileged and white that they would naturally be disconnected from all political considerations ? Or is my English so bad that I can't even make myself understood ? (Which is possible)
Well, I just recall I came here to find a way to die in the first place, not to argue about politics with strangers, so...

 

[BecomingTired]

This is such a stupid take. Especially on a site with the most people affected by his policies.



Politics very much do affect people's lives, the policies put in place and the way the government controls the country can hugely affect the mass majority of people even indirectly; and not everyone who visits this site is 100% set on CTB even if in the Suicide discussion, with others also planning to live a bit longer before fully committing as well. You are forgetting these statistics that are changing due to the policies put into place e are not JUST numbers, they are thousands to MILLIONS of people throughout the country.



A slight increase in unemployment rates was a couple million people struggling to find work, trying to find means to pay off their rent and bills.

The slight increase in homelessness is people, including FAMILIES(such as my own), unable to find homes and are unlikely to be able to even afford proper food or rise their children right.

Less welfare means more people, including the disabled and the ill, that are already struggling having less foundation to even support themselves than they already did.



You see so many different stories on Sasu of people struggling, and yes there are other large factors that led them to those points as well as situations completely unrelated with the government but you can also see a lot of the biggest reasons for people CTB'ING is LARGELY affected by the government's decisions even indirectly.

In the first place, they are a huge factor to the inaccessibility of LGBTQ+ support, lack of welfare, increased homeless rates, lack of medical/mental support to the disabled, increasing unemployment rates, lackof/inadequate justice as well as support for victims, flawed education system, prevention of crime, legalisation of things that should be illegal as well as reverse etc.



Kamala is no means perfect, or even a great candidate but at least people's rights wouldn't feel as if they were stripped. And the people most affected by Trump's policies ARE the ones who are usually on this site...



Under Trump, the illegal immigrants that came to this country will have be deported back to the place they left for a REASON; this includes people who left for war, poverty, horrible conditions etc. Sending them back to the place they left for a reason is just completely unjust and the reason they had to get into the country could be for so many different reasons, it can be such a complicated, difficult and lengthy process for someone to gain legal access into a country; and for those facing extreme hardship they would rather choose to break a law than to having to continue living in their own country and, for instance, die. Deportation laws being pushed do not take any of this into account, and could easily be sending people to a death sentence or just lead them to CTB. And he wants to also put in law that makes it EVEN HARDER to get into the country? Especially for those escaping wars in the middle east or crime-ridden countries?



Trump's overturning of Roe v Wade will lead to states, especially conservative ones, having the legal right to ban abortion within that state and it is ALREADY coming into effect with a lot of them; you can say "people should just move" but you are ignoring not everyone has that access, especially users of this site that normally come from poverty backgrounds. In the first place, it is a FUNDAMENTAL human right to have control over your own body. Not only that, but it can also lead to them being able to challenge other similar decisions of the court under the same grounds of this case; it's just idiotic. With the number of users who are in a situation where they absolutely should have the right to an abortion and it being a large reason to them wanting to CTB, them potentially not having that access is just absolutely deplorable.



Trump removing the support that could be accessed by the LGBTQ community, and specifically the trans community, is just sickening as well. With the amount if LGBTQ+ users on this site, it's clear that the current support people receive from the government has not been enough and should absolutely have been pushed by government for them to be able to receive more of that support; but instead these groups are going to be completely stripped from any and all support they have been receiving and be given the bare minimum. This especially is going to affect the trans community, practically making it impossible for those not well off from being able to transition and potentially even barring the whole process all together; all these people already find it hard to come to terms with their identity and this is can be a very big tipping point for them, knowing they'll never gain the support they need to ever come to term with it for at least the next 4 years... You also forget it doesn't just affect the LGBTQ community but also minorities in general, there will be less support for hate crime victims and people feeling isolated from society due to what they were born as due to the removal of diversity programs.



Trump cutting climate regulations is also just... Why? Climate change is already horrible as it is right now, and it already feels as though it's too late to just turn things back; so why does he try to speed up the process of the Earth's decay? You forgetting that although climate change affect third world countries the most but it also been recently affecting first World countries as well, the increase in natural disasters can easily cause human loss, years of development and cause an significant increase in poverty; and it can affect the access to food/supply, increase price for everything and cause not only an environmental impact to the world but an economical one too with the increase in international competition in resources and major hits to GDP/economic growth eventually leading to a need of mass immigration(which US now is preventing)



There is also clear evidence that Trump's economic policies can, and will, affect the poor and middle class the most; higher tariffs and tax cuts been tried and done before and have always hit them the hardest, all it led to is the well-off doing better because it led. While Harris' plan won't hurt the poor or middle class at all, and the 28% corporate tax has been done before and worked FINE. It only affected those who were rich which is the very minority and it won't be a big impact either.



Even for a cultural standpoint, it is going to cause a massive blow to these minorities, all of these policies and just the plain fact of how bigoted the Politician clearly is will lead to more people feeling justified to discriminate against them and it was clearly seen during Trump's presidency before with how bad things can get; the far-right will only grow and there will be FAR more people from these groups I mentioned before going down the route to eventually CTB compared to if Harris had run due to the bigoted culture being encouraged by those who are running the country now. People are sheep, and there will be more hate on these groups as well as other groups the far-right bashes on; especially since Trump wants to free those Jan 6 rioters, showing that he will be lenient and most likely advocate leniency on the right-wingers even on illegal grounds. People will see this as an opportunity to cause even more hate crimes on gender, race, sexuality etc. Just the president being a bigot and misogynist will lead to that culture manifesting even more into society.

 

[Strangeasangels]

I highly disagree. Trump will effect everyone. Billionaires will get richer and everyone not a billionnaire will deal with an economic downturn from Trump's tarifs, mass deportation which will add trilliions to the deficit. our right to peacefully protest will be taken away. Women will become second class citizens and baby factories. If you aren't aware of just how sinister this administration is, then you haven't been paying attention.

That all said, I'm looking to CTB after Trump's "win" last night. I will lose my healthcare because they have point blank sated that is on the agenda and Mike Johnson was on a hot mic saying this last week. I was going to retire in 10 years but I will have no social security because economists have stated that Trump's plan will burn through social security: https://thehill.com/business/494479...un-out-in-6-years-under-trump-plans-analysis/

So what do I have to live for? To see my rights and the things I have worked for my whole life taken away from me by a corrupt administration. I will pass.