CTBing over politics is retarded.

[Omnia131]

This is such a stupid take. Especially on a site with the most people affected by his policies.



Politics very much do affect people's lives, the policies put in place and the way the government controls the country can hugely affect the mass majority of people even indirectly; and not everyone who visits this site is 100% set on CTB even if in the Suicide discussion, with others also planning to live a bit longer before fully committing as well. You are forgetting these statistics that are changing due to the policies put into place e are not JUST numbers, they are thousands to MILLIONS of people throughout the country.



A slight increase in unemployment rates was a couple million people struggling to find work, trying to find means to pay off their rent and bills.

The slight increase in homelessness is people, including FAMILIES(such as my own), unable to find homes and are unlikely to be able to even afford proper food or rise their children right.

Less welfare means more people, including the disabled and the ill, that are already struggling having less foundation to even support themselves than they already did.



You see so many different stories on Sasu of people struggling, and yes there are other large factors that led them to those points as well as situations completely unrelated with the government but you can also see a lot of the biggest reasons for people CTB'ING is LARGELY affected by the government's decisions even indirectly.

In the first place, they are a huge factor to the inaccessibility of LGBTQ+ support, lack of welfare, increased homeless rates, lack of medical/mental support to the disabled, increasing unemployment rates, lackof/inadequate justice as well as support for victims, flawed education system, prevention of crime, legalisation of things that should be illegal as well as reverse etc.



Kamala is no means perfect, or even a great candidate but at least people's rights wouldn't feel as if they were stripped. And the people most affected by Trump's policies ARE the ones who are usually on this site...



Under Trump, the illegal immigrants that came to this country will have be deported back to the place they left for a REASON; this includes people who left for war, poverty, horrible conditions etc. Sending them back to the place they left for a reason is just completely unjust and the reason they had to get into the country could be for so many different reasons, it can be such a complicated, difficult and lengthy process for someone to gain legal access into a country; and for those facing extreme hardship they would rather choose to break a law than to having to continue living in their own country and, for instance, die. Deportation laws being pushed do not take any of this into account, and could easily be sending people to a death sentence or just lead them to CTB. And he wants to also put in law that makes it EVEN HARDER to get into the country? Especially for those escaping wars in the middle east or crime-ridden countries?



Trump's overturning of Roe v Wade will lead to states, especially conservative ones, having the legal right to ban abortion within that state and it is ALREADY coming into effect with a lot of them; you can say "people should just move" but you are ignoring not everyone has that access, especially users of this site that normally come from poverty backgrounds. In the first place, it is a FUNDAMENTAL human right to have control over your own body. Not only that, but it can also lead to them being able to challenge other similar decisions of the court under the same grounds of this case; it's just idiotic. With the number of users who are in a situation where they absolutely should have the right to an abortion and it being a large reason to them wanting to CTB, them potentially not having that access is just absolutely deplorable.



Trump removing the support that could be accessed by the LGBTQ community, and specifically the trans community, is just sickening as well. With the amount if LGBTQ+ users on this site, it's clear that the current support people receive from the government has not been enough and should absolutely have been pushed by government for them to be able to receive more of that support; but instead these groups are going to be completely stripped from any and all support they have been receiving and be given the bare minimum. This especially is going to affect the trans community, practically making it impossible for those not well off from being able to transition and potentially even barring the whole process all together; all these people already find it hard to come to terms with their identity and this is can be a very big tipping point for them, knowing they'll never gain the support they need to ever come to term with it for at least the next 4 years... You also forget it doesn't just affect the LGBTQ community but also minorities in general, there will be less support for hate crime victims and people feeling isolated from society due to what they were born as due to the removal of diversity programs.



Trump cutting climate regulations is also just... Why? Climate change is already horrible as it is right now, and it already feels as though it's too late to just turn things back; so why does he try to speed up the process of the Earth's decay? You forgetting that although climate change affect third world countries the most but it also been recently affecting first World countries as well, the increase in natural disasters can easily cause human loss, years of development and cause an significant increase in poverty; and it can affect the access to food/supply, increase price for everything and cause not only an environmental impact to the world but an economical one too with the increase in international competition in resources and major hits to GDP/economic growth eventually leading to a need of mass immigration(which US now is preventing)



There is also clear evidence that Trump's economic policies can, and will, affect the poor and middle class the most; higher tariffs and tax cuts been tried and done before and have always hit them the hardest, all it led to is the well-off doing better because it led. While Harris' plan won't hurt the poor or middle class at all, and the 28% corporate tax has been done before and worked FINE. It only affected those who were rich which is the very minority and it won't be a big impact either.



Even for a cultural standpoint, it is going to cause a massive blow to these minorities, all of these policies and just the plain fact of how bigoted the Politician clearly is will lead to more people feeling justified to discriminate against them and it was clearly seen during Trump's presidency before with how bad things can get; the far-right will only grow and there will be FAR more people from these groups I mentioned before going down the route to eventually CTB compared to if Harris had run due to the bigoted culture being encouraged by those who are running the country now. People are sheep, and there will be more hate on these groups as well as other groups the far-right bashes on; especially since Trump wants to free those Jan 6 rioters, showing that he will be lenient and most likely advocate leniency on the right-wingers even on illegal grounds. People will see this as an opportunity to cause even more hate crimes on gender, race, sexuality etc. Just the president being a bigot and misogynist will lead to that culture manifesting even more into society.

amazing response and so very true.
Anyone who downplays how bad things will get definitely are people who don't understand that not everyone is "just like them"

 

[mrpeter]

you guys don't have to worry about anything trump got arrested

 

[depthss]

yeah ive never really understood the posts that say theyll CTB if trump wins. he was already president at one point, and the country didnt go up in flames or anything lol

 

[illvoid]

If it DIDN'T directly affect us, we would not be considering it. Not every American has the privilege of ignoring this for the next 4 years. Some of us will lose our healthcare coverage. Some of us are in danger of losing EBT benefits. Some of us will lose our legal protection. Some of us may lose our rights. Personally, I am transgender. The right has repeatedly called for our extermination both blatantly and subtly. They have attempted to strip us of our rights already and are showing no signs of stopping. If these are the things they are willing to say out loud and publicly, I have no interest in living to see what they will do privately.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

yeah ive never really understood the posts that say theyll CTB if trump wins. he was already president at one point, and the country didnt go up in flames or anything lol

Right? The US have been a dumpster fire for so, so long. Why is now so different? I didn't know all this rights were before or that 2020 presidency do something about it, lol. The country was never worse in 2016, then 2020, and will only worsen in the foreseeable future, and despite this only getting bigger, people still make such an only problem of it in their heads as all of only came into existence yesterday!

Also, lesser evil my ass. Blame who you want. The previous administration failed to address so many things and worsened so many others. Your vote didn't fucking solve the US. It didn't even set up a change or start anything. You are inventing a problem that makes you want to die. This in on you, buddy.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Right? The US have been a dumpster fire for so, so long. Why is now so different? I didn't know all this rights were before or that 2020 presidency do something about it, lol. The country was never worse in 2016, then 2020, and will only worsen in the foreseeable future, and despite this only getting bigger, people still make such an only problem of it in their heads as all of only came into existence yesterday!

Also, lesser evil my ass. Blame who you want. The previous administration failed to address so many things and worsened so many others. Your vote didn't fucking solve the US. It didn't even set up a change or start anything. You are inventing a problem that makes you want to die. This in on you, buddy.

You seem to love playing bothsideisms, as though somehow that makes you come off as super grounded and logical, but it really doesn't. You are just making yourself look ignorant.

 

[nails]

Did you mention social backgrounds that are so privileged and white that they would naturally be disconnected from all political considerations ? Or is my English so bad that I can't even make myself understood ? (Which is possible)
Well, I just recall I came here to find a way to die in the first place, not to argue about politics with strangers, so...

I mentioned it in my original comment, yes. For what it's worth, I specifically said they didn't have to be white.
You mentioned your own personal interactions in your comment, which just don't hold much value in arguments because it's an extremely individualized perspective. It varies a lot from person to person, so there isn't much reason to bring it up.

and yeah, there's an entirely different category on this forum that's meant for politics and op probably should've posted this thread under that category.

i hope you're able to find some peace soon.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

You seem to love playing bothsideisms, as though somehow that makes you come off as super grounded and logical, but it really doesn't. You are just making yourself look ignorant.

Currently I don't like any of the two parties. I think they're comparable.

So what? All I'm really saying people would be less stressed if they don't fix all their attention in one of them. Tbf I don't think I have the obligation I have to support a side I don't consider useful.

I've seen the ignorant rhetoric before. I don't claim to know everything or be bias-free, but it came to the point it'll get thrown around for merely disagreeing with someone. More in politics than anywhere else.

 

[mrpeter]

this thread is definitely going to get closed

 

[Winterreise]

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[Deleted member 8119]

I thought I could share this fb hide it very well : www.facebook.com/help/delete_account

Additionally, you may want to change your info to poison your data. Probably not perfect, but your ideas are definitely used against you.

 

[Winterreise]

Yes, adding misinformation into the stream. So that they cant track you

 

[NeverReallyHere]

Politics affects every aspect of the way you live - there's a good chance that the reason you're on this site has something to do with political decisions made at some point in past. And even if it didn't, it is actually possible to care about the welfare of other people you don't know, believe it or not.

 

[Sunshine]

yeah ive never really understood the posts that say theyll CTB if trump wins. he was already president at one point, and the country didnt go up in flames or anything lol

YOU DON'T GET IT
MANGO MUSSOLINI HITLER WON
WOMEN AND LGBT WILL LITERALLY GET KILLED BY HIT SQUADS IN THE STREETS NOW

 

[fleshgarden]

I'm fucking appalled at this post. you obviously don't understand and don't give a shit about putting in any effort to understand. YOU'RE "retarded". You are cognitively failing. there's so much more to "politics" than just who's in power and it is MANY more choices than just.. taxes. it affects EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. trump has done dozens of felons and is a convicted rapist. how do you think growing teenage boys will react to that after living in contempt? women's lives are in danger. the fact that HALF THE POPULATION dare I say ANYONE thought he would be fit to run this country is AGONY. no one sees that it's so obvious he cares about no one but himself. not to mention what he is going to put in place (project 2025) but it seems like everyone is denying that will happen (it's gonna fucking happen) so why should I explain. if I say anything about how the earth is going to rot under his power I'd probably get piled onto like this man DOES NOT CARE. our climate and the health on this earth is going to DIE. they are going to ban vaccines. people are obviously gonna get deported, no matter what you think. for god's sake it's obviously he wants nothing to do with POC people. he wants nothing to do with anyone except rich white men. the only issue he's gonna change about our taxes are cutting rich men's taxes.
sorry for my language. I am very upset. just last week I finally stopped feeling depressed for once. I started looking forward to the future. next year I'm going to be on my own and I thought, for the first time ever, I could make it. no. this election has ruined my chances of ever being happy and anyone I care about ever being happy. I've put a LOT of effort trying to heal and let myself look towards the future. now I have no future. we are going backwards. I am an autistic trans man. I have no chance in surviving under his power. within the next 4 years I'm gonna be fucking erased. I want to be the one to choose to erase my own life fuck that. I'm not letting the most stupid idiotic horrible and selfish man and his influence ever kill me.
I get that it'll be over in four years. I think the agony of having to witness this at all is enough.
and anyways, you should think twice posting on this forum about killing yourself over something "retarded". that's not the point of this forum.

 

[mrpeter]

i love that this conversation is still going on after hours

 

[mrpeter]

I'm fucking appalled at this post. you obviously don't understand and don't give a shit about putting in any effort to understand. YOU'RE "retarded". You are cognitively failing. there's so much more to "politics" than just who's in power and it is MANY more choices than just.. taxes. it affects EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. trump has done dozens of felons and is a convicted rapist. how do you think growing teenage boys will react to that after living in contempt? women's lives are in danger. the fact that HALF THE POPULATION dare I say ANYONE thought he would be fit to run this country is AGONY. no one sees that it's so obvious he cares about no one but himself. not to mention what he is going to put in place (project 2025) but it seems like everyone is denying that will happen (it's gonna fucking happen) so why should I explain. if I say anything about how the earth is going to rot under his power I'd probably get piled onto like this man DOES NOT CARE. our climate and the health on this earth is going to DIE. they are going to ban vaccines. people are obviously gonna get deported, no matter what you think. for god's sake it's obviously he wants nothing to do with POC people. he wants nothing to do with anyone except rich white men. the only issue he's gonna change about our taxes are cutting rich men's taxes.
sorry for my language. I am very upset. just last week I finally stopped feeling depressed for once. I started looking forward to the future. next year I'm going to be on my own and I thought, for the first time ever, I could make it. no. this election has ruined my chances of ever being happy and anyone I care about ever being happy. I've put a LOT of effort trying to heal and let myself look towards the future. now I have no future. we are going backwards. I am an autistic trans man. I have no chance in surviving under his power. within the next 4 years I'm gonna be fucking erased. I want to be the one to choose to erase my own life fuck that. I'm not letting the most stupid idiotic horrible and selfish man and his influence ever kill me.
I get that it'll be over in four years. I think the agony of having to witness this at all is enough.
and anyways, you should think twice posting on this forum about killing yourself over something "retarded". that's not the point of this forum.

You don't think americans will learn after hitler rise to power?
Even if Trump wants to do this, he can't legally. Congress has to vote on policies, and he can also get impeached for this. Trump can't do whatever he wants this isn't North Korea.

 

[33-vertebrae]

You guys are being so goofy.. it's gonna be okay, real life isn't tumblr horror stories, just stop the hysterical fearmongering.
He was in power for 4 years already. FOUR YEARS. Why are you still alive?
https://emojipedia.org/loudly-crying-face
"I'm an autistic xer/she genderqueer nonbinary trans-mxn. I literally have ZERO chance to survive under Trumps rule. It's over. Nukes are deployed."

chill fam
https://emojipedia.org/loudly-crying-face

People keep using this argument: "He didn't do any of that the first term, why would he do it now?"

Okay, so, he didn't do anything to save America the first time, so why would he do it now?

Christ, have you even been paying attention to social sentiment and seeing how much more depraved people are?

The only reason you would be so flippant and dismissive is because either you're not a woman or anyone else who might be potentially negatively affected, or you're one of his supporters, and quite frankly, the majority of them don't seem to have any empathy or discernment.