Germans on here, whats your opinion on the current political situation in our country?

[NPCaesar]

I'm sorry, but this is pure nonsense. Putin would never attack NATO territory, and I would seriously urge you to check if the people promoting this theory have some kind of vested interested in increasing the military spending of Germany.

What makes you think he would stop at Ukraine? This guy is a lunatic and the people he has behind him are even more insane, then he already. Putin threatened Europe multiple times already. So yes, the people have an interest in increasing the military budget, for our own safety, freedom and democracy. I dont want my country to suffer the same fate, as Ukraine did

Germany and the US are not equal
They are master and subordinate
it's the same situation for France, UK, Japan and other countries.
They are there for self-interest
Having US bases in your country will make you a target in a future war.

This is just made up, how are are the US the "masters" of their allies, just because they have troops stationed here. Of course, they are also there for their own interest, but how do the US influence the politics of one nation, which would make the argument of Germany (and other NATO members) being a puppet solid. You just invent half hearted theories to make the Western world look bad, bruh.

Germany and the US are not equal
They are master and subordinate
it's the same situation for France, UK, Japan and other countries.
They are there for self-interest
Having US bases in your country will make you a target in a future war.

This is just made up, how are are the US the "masters" of their allies, just because they have troops stationed here. Of course, they are also there for their own interest, but how do the US influence the politics of one nation, which would make the argument of Germany (and other NATO members) being a puppet solid. You just invent half hearted theories to make the Western world look bad, bruh.

 

[yellowjester]

What makes you think he would stop at Ukraine? This guy is a lunatic and the people he has behind him are even more insane, then he already. Putin threatened Europe multiple times already. So yes, the people have an interest in increasing the military budget, for our own safety, freedom and democracy. I dont want my country to suffer the same fate, as Ukraine did

You are very ill informed. Putin isn't insane just because he did something you don't understand. If he really was insane, he would be removed from power by the people around him. I understand there is this sort of liberal fantasy where the free west is fighting the autocratic east, but it's very important that we keep our heads clear and not fall into this line of thinking where Putin is this comic book supervillain who would blow up the whole entire world for his territorial ambitions. This isn't helpful for anyone, least of all the Ukrainians, who deserve an end to this devastating war, which can only be achieved through diplomacy and negotiation.

 

[NPCaesar]

You are very ill informed. Putin isn't insane just because he did something you don't understand. If he really was insane, he would be removed from power by the people around him. I understand there is this sort of liberal fantasy where the free west is fighting the autocratic east, but it's very important that we keep our heads clear and not fall into this line of thinking where Putin is this comic book supervillain who would blow up the whole entire world for his territorial ambitions. This isn't helpful for anyone, least of all the Ukrainians, who deserve an end to this devastating war, which can only be achieved through diplomacy and negotiation.

Then please tell me, what is the logical, humanitarian and rational reason for Putin invading another independent and free country. What do I not understand?

And yes, a peace has to be found in Ukraine, but saying that we need diplomacy and negotiation now is just out of touch with reality, due to Russia being the only ones, who prevent any kind of diplomacy, if Putin was rly interested in a real, honest and fair peace deal, he could start it right now, he is in the position to do so, but doesnt.

And what is this "liberal fantasy" all about? Accepting facts? What are you talking about, dude?

You are trying to turn the tables around, saying that the "West" and the Ukrainian government are the ones responsible for this war, but thats just a complete lie and blatant revisionist talking points, get your facts right, man...

 

[yellowjester]

Then please tell me, what is the logical, humanitarian and rational reason for Putin invading another independent and free country. What do I not understand

He thinks he has a historical duty to unite Russia and Ukraine. No one's calling him a humanist, but that doesn't mean he's clinically insane.

due to Russia being the only ones, who prevent any kind of diplomacy

The US blocked a peace treaty in 2022 that would prevent a NATO membership and stationing of US artillery in Ukraine and make territorial concessions to Russia.

saying that the "West" and the Ukrainian government are the ones responsible for this war,

I literally never said that. Putin is responsible for this war, but that doesn't mean the West is entirely innocent and can't do anything to stop it.

 

[NPCaesar]

He thinks he has a historical duty to unite Russia and Ukraine. No one's calling him a humanist, but that doesn't mean he's clinically insane.

The US blocked a peace treaty in 2022 that would prevent a NATO membership and stationing of US artillery in Ukraine and make territorial concessions to Russia.

I literally never said that. Putin is responsible for this war, but that doesn't mean the West is entirely innocent and can't do anything to stop it.

Yes, the treaty was blocked, due to it being very disadvantaging for Ukraine. By not joining the NATO and not allowing any kind of western support, Russia is keeping the door open for future invasions, remember that Russia was the one, who broke all treaties in the last years, what makes you think, that they wouldnt do the same thing again? Russia is a criminal state with an even more criminal government, Id love to see a real peace treaty, which would be able to last long and ensure the future independence of Ukraine, but as of now, I am not able to see any kind of possibility for that to happen.

And saying that "the autocratic east" is just a "liberal fantasy" (whatever this is supposed to mean, you sadly didnt elaborate) sounds very much like apologising the aggression, which Putin unleashes, because of his megalomanic and mad ambitions

Sorry for my somewhat late answer, I wasnt online the last few days...

 

[yellowjester]

By not joining the NATO and not allowing any kind of western support, Russia is keeping the door open for future invasions, remember that Russia was the one, who broke all treaties in the last years, what makes you think, that they wouldnt do the same thing again?

Ukraine shouldn't be part of NATO just like Mexico or Canada shouldn't be part of any military alliance with Russia -- it's a legitimate demand that should be respected.

The US is criminal state, too, with a criminal government (now even more so, with Trump getting reelected). Estimates say the war on terror directly and indirectly killed over 4 million people in the ME. Cutting all ties with the US during that time would be just as unreasonable. Europe should be a mediator between East and West, in my opinion.

what makes you think, that they wouldnt do the same thing again?

Maybe they would. But declaring war on a country multiple times in a row and justifying it to the public is much more difficult than you think. Putin has planned this attack very carefully. And he's old, don't forget about that.

Putin unleashes, because of his megalomanic and mad ambitions

Again, the US has committed crimes that were just as big, or even bigger. You know we look like absolute hypocrites to non-existent countries, right? Now with all the support for Israel as well...