Method Guns/firearms megathread

[attribute-level-kale]

Couple notes:

Adam Lanza practised his location for a few years with varying guns and calibres and it was behind the ear. The reason Newton kind of petered out is because everyone died and there was no one left to sue or hold responsible besides the estate of the mom.

A 9 mm is really easy to shoot, although loading and prepping for a new person, you're going to have to watch 10 minutes of videos. As far as calibre is concerned, there's a ton of videos at ranges with individuals killing themselves immediately with small calibres to the temple. There's a video in a Mexican school of a young man killing three people at close range with a single 22 to the head, including himself.

Cobain used a .410 with a target load, which is one of the smallest possible shotguns. That's not to say it isn't possible. If you are doing the side of the temple with a .22, you have a decent risk of survival. Confusingly, Gabbi Giffords survived, I'm not sure her bullet trajectory is possible from self-infliction though

 

[TAW122]

As a gun noob who has never fired a gun in my life (yeah, I'm not proud of it), if I were to use a .357 magnum, would I need practice with it at a range before ctb for it to work, or could I safely do it as soon as I have it?

You should be fine if you use both hands while holding the gun firmly and not to flinch in anticipation of the shot while aiming at (or close to) the brainstem. It is still recommended to go to the range to get a feel of the gun's recoil so you would know what to expect as well as how much pressure you need to press to discharge said firearm.

@attribute-level-kale These are some interesting facts that you posted, and with respect to the lower calibers, yes, while it is possible, I still don't recommend them especially if there are other choices as you only have one shot (pun intended - both literally and figuratively) when it comes to an attempt. You simply cannot afford any room for error or take much chances with the hardware (the gun and the ammo).

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Adam Lanza did what?l There was no Adam Lanza. That whole Sandy Hook story was BS. Adam had died years before. He never shot a gun in his life, and if he even tried to shoot one of the many guns they claimed he had it would have knocked him down, all 85 pouns of him.

To xa - Revolvers r pretty simple to use. Watch some videos. It would be better to practice - for practice you could use low recoil .38 bullets which will also work in a .357 - to make sure it worked, but if you can't practice u can at least "dry fire " it (pulling the trigger after makng certain the gun isn't loaded and keeping it pointed in a totally safe directiom) numerous times, including "single action" (explained above), which is probably what you'll want to ultimately do, at that time using the most powerful "defense" ammo u can buy (which u might not want to use 4 practice as the recoil might hurt your wrist, tho again it wld be btr to shoot a couple of those to make sure they worked well too).

(I wrote this yesterday, but I either neglected to post it or it was removed. If the latter, no problem. I don't want to make waves here. That's not the purpose of this place.)

You should be fine if you use both hands while holding the gun firmly and not to flinch in anticipation of the shot while aiming at (or close to) the brainstem. It is still recommended to go to the range to get a feel of the gun's recoil so you would know what to expect as well as how much pressure you need to press to discharge said firearm.

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Not flinching in a situation like that is easier said than done, including for me. Bracing the handgun or long gun with both hands and held firmly in your mouth is far safer than trying to do it from any of the other angles, like under the chin.

I don't think that recoil will be a factor as the discharge and recoil occur simultaneously, the discharge which causes the recoil actually occuring an instant before. Watch the video of Budd Dwyer.

 

[xaea13]

Adam Lanza did what?l There was no Adam Lanza. That whole Sandy Hook story was BS. Adam had died years before. He never shot a gun in his life, and if he even tried to shoot one of the many guns they claimed he had it would have knocked him down, all 85 pouns of him.

To xa - Revolvers r pretty simple to use. Watch some videos. It would be better to practice - for practice you could use low recoil .38 bullets which will also work in a .357 - to make sure it worked, but if you can't practice u can at least "dry fire " it (pulling the trigger after makng certain the gun isn't loaded and keeping it pointed in a totally safe directiom) numerous times, including "single action" (explained above), which is probably what you'll want to ultimately do, at that time using the most powerful "defense" ammo u can buy (which u might not want to use 4 practice as the recoil might hurt your wrist, tho again it wld be btr to shoot a couple of those to make sure they worked well too).

(I wrote this yesterday, but I either neglected to post it or it was removed. If the latter, no problem. I don't want to make waves here. That's not the purpose of this place.)




Not flinching in a situation like that is easier said than done, including for me. Bracing the handgun or long gun with both hands and held firmly in your mouth is far safer than trying to do it from any of the other angles, like under the chin.

I don't think that recoil will be a factor as the discharge and recoil occur simultaneously, the discharge which causes the recoil actually occuring an instant before. Watch the video of Budd Dwyer.

First of all, thank you for the great info; I wonder how many people you guys here at SS have saved from permanent injuries due to botched ctb attempts.
Just one question about the Budd Dwyer video: I couldn't really tell that well from the 80's potato quality, but did he aim a little above the brain stem? It seemed like more than a 30 degree angle. And if so, did that cause a truly instant ctb or was he still alive on the ground?

 

[Cuppatea856]

Hey guys I have read over this thread before but I'm still left with many questions. I would be combining fire arm with n or sn for extra effect. I just have very small weak hands. I gather from reading that recoil isn't an issue here but in past i have struggled to rack the slide or pull a trigger due to bad hand strength. Handgun I can hide is my only option. And I gather from reading I should stick to hollow point bullets? Anyone have and advice on what type or caliber I need I'm very clueless? Would 9mm be better or a 375 revolver type...again apologies im clueless. I'm.scared my very weak hands will ruin this for me. Pm me if you rather. Thank you.

I had a S&W snub nose revolver, it sold it last weekend because the recoils was so awful. A revolver with a longer barrel helps prevent recoil, like a 5-6" barrel. Personally, I just ordered the S&W M&P 9mm Ez semi-auto pistol. It's Specifically made for people with weak hands. Easy to rack and easy to load the cartridges as well.

As a gun noob who has never fired a gun in my life (yeah, I'm not proud of it), if I were to use a .357 magnum, would I need practice with it at a range before ctb for it to work, or could I safely do it as soon as I have it?

I would definitely go to the gun range. I had never shot a gun before and thought is was easy. I was overconfident. It wasn't that easy. The recoil on Some guns are really bad, and on top of that you need to understand that this is a violent way to die. I was kind of shocked at how much my adrenaline surged when I was at the range the first couple times. Initially, after those first visits I thought I wouldn't kill myself with a gun, but the more practice I've had, the more confident I am that I can shoot myself and do it right.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

First of all, thank you for the great info; I wonder how many people you guys here at SS have saved from permanent injuries due to botched ctb attempts.
Just one question about the Budd Dwyer video: I couldn't really tell that well from the 80's potato quality, but did he aim a little above the brain stem? It seemed like more than a 30 degree angle. And if so, did that cause a truly instant ctb or was he still alive on the ground?

You're most welcome, and yes it would be gratifying to think that i and the others have saved people from terrible injuries. On the other hand i am ambivalent about maybe telling too much to very young people who really don't need to be in a place like this.

Can you post or pm me the link to the Dwyer video? I haven't seen it in a long time. Googling just led to one still in which he seemed to be pointing the gun much too high. Whatever he did it seemed instantaneous and beyond any chance of medical intervention. I believe he used a .357 magnum which is a very powerful handgun, a revolver (no slide racking necessary, and most reliable) tho still much inferior to a shotgun.

 

[xaea13]

You're most welcome, and yes it would be gratifying to think that i and the others have saved people from terrible injuries. On the other hand i am ambivalent about maybe telling too much to very young people who really don't need to be in a place like this.

Can you post or pm me the link to the Dwyer video? I haven't seen it in a long time. Googling just led to one still in which he seemed to be pointing the gun much too high. Whatever he did it seemed instantaneous and beyond any chance of medical intervention. I believe he used a .357 magnum which is a very powerful handgun, a revolver (no slide racking necessary, and most reliable) tho still much inferior to a shotgun.

This is the best I could find. It looked like more than a 30 degree angle.

 

[Bigyeah]

Wish I lived in the US so I could just go buy a gun whenever I wanted. Wish it was that simple where I am. Does anyone know of where I could find a handgun not sold in stores?

 

[lifeisbutadream]

This is the best I could find. It looked like more than a 30 degree angle.

Thank you. He did it in such a rush with so much distraction, and he did it wrong from what we've been studying. He had the gun pointed straight up, the way they say you might just blow off the front of your face and survive, instead of deep inside your mouth pointed slightly upwards. But, God bless him, it worked perfectly.

Wish I lived in the US so I could just go buy a gun whenever I wanted. Wish it was that simple where I am. Does anyone know of where I could find a handgun not sold in stores?

If you can get shotgun shells it is not that hard to make a home made shotgun.

 

[TAW122]

Thank you. He did it in such a rush with so much distraction, and he did it wrong from what we've been studying. He had the gun pointed straight up, the way they say you might just blow off the front of your face and survive, instead of deep inside your mouth pointed slightly upwards. But, God bless him, it worked perfectly.



If you can get shotgun shells it is not that hard to make a home made shotgun.

As for homemade shotguns, for the US citizens, it is legal to do so without a license, provided that it is only for personal use (not for sale or distribution).

Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms...

www.atf.gov

The only advice I have to add is that to make sure you have basic craftsman skills (you don't need to be a plumber or welder) making the improvised firearm because doing so improperly or poorly can result in failure as well as serious injuries (potentially a vegetable).

 

[xaea13]

You should be fine if you use both hands while holding the gun firmly and not to flinch in anticipation of the shot while aiming at (or close to) the brainstem. It is still recommended to go to the range to get a feel of the gun's recoil so you would know what to expect as well as how much pressure you need to press to discharge said firearm.

@attribute-level-kale These are some interesting facts that you posted, and with respect to the lower calibers, yes, while it is possible, I still don't recommend them especially if there are other choices as you only have one shot (pun intended - both literally and figuratively) when it comes to an attempt. You simply cannot afford any room for error or take much chances with the hardware (the gun and the ammo).

Thanks for the recommendations TAW.
Do you think it's logistically possible to buy a firearm, say a shotgun (or pick one up from an FFL after ordering), and ammo, and then immediately leave, find somewhere to ctb without going to a range or back home first? If, say, I don't live alone and don't want to raise suspicions by walking in with a shotgun, lol. Assuming I've read up/watched enough video tutorials on how to properly handle, load, fire a shotgun, would it be possible/recommended to drive off to ctb immediately after getting the gun/ammo, or are there steps I'm forgetting right now that would prevent this?

 

[TAW122]

Once you obtain your firearm, if you can find a secluded place where you can do it, then technically, yes it would work. Just hope that the place you are going to isn't patrolled or have people coming in and out and also at night, you have the cover of darkness.

 

[xaea13]

Once you obtain your firearm, if you can find a secluded place where you can do it, then technically, yes it would work. Just hope that the place you are going to isn't patrolled or have people coming in and out and also at night, you have the cover of darkness.

Thanks, TAW. Can't overstate how helpful you guys have been, this thread and the whole forum really is a gold mine.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

If you don't practice, or at least carefully study your shotgun, you might not even know how to properly load it, or where the safety is, so when it came down to pulling the trigger nothing would happen!

 

[xaea13]

If you don't practice, or at least carefully study your shotgun, you might not even know how to properly load it, or where the safety is, so when it came down to pulling the trigger nothing would happen!

True, I'd certainly do a good bit of dry firing to make sure I'm comfortable.

 

[TAW122]

True, I'd certainly do a good bit of dry firing to make sure I'm comfortable.

Also, I would recommend reading up/watching videos about your specific firearm to know how to operate it, load it, and it's specifics. It never hurts to know a bit more because it's better to have more knowledge when you don't need it than to not know when you need to know.

 

[xaea13]

Also, I would recommend reading up/watching videos about your specific firearm to know how to operate it, load it, and it's specifics. It never hurts to know a bit more because it's better to have more knowledge when you don't need it than to not know when you need to know.

Yep, I'd never be comfortable firing a gun without knowing how it works, especially for something as high-stakes as ctb.

 

[TAW122]

Yep, I'd never be comfortable firing a gun without knowing how it works, especially for something as high-stakes as ctb.

Another good thing about firing it is if there is anything wrong with the firearm, you would know ahead of time, though with modern firearms, especially name brands, they are almost certainly well built and with high quality, thus very very unlikely that you'd have a defective product.

 

[melancholy_lily]

I finally got a chance to shoot my magnum at a range and I feel very comfortable with it now. .38 special practice rounds were super easy and I tried a couple of hollow point .357 to get a feel, wow, I believe it would definitely do the job. Had fun and can't wait to go and shoot again but ammo is in a shortage even my local Bass Pro was out of practice rounds, and many ranges are closed (stupid covid AND fires!)

Unfortunately, now my family knows I bought a gun cause I went with some gun-toting family members, so I'm hesitant to ctb and cause them any guilt. I really want to but I do not want anyone I care for to feel like they helped or caused me to ctb. Hopefully can get more practice ammo and enjoy my new gadget in the meantime.

 

[Xiaomi]

If you're rich enough, buy a S&W 500 Magnum. Your head will be blown clean off.

 

[TAW122]

I finally got a chance to shoot my magnum at a range and I feel very comfortable with it now. .38 special practice rounds were super easy and I tried a couple of hollow point .357 to get a feel, wow, I believe it would definitely do the job. Had fun and can't wait to go and shoot again but ammo is in a shortage even my local Bass Pro was out of practice rounds, and many ranges are closed (stupid covid AND fires!)

Unfortunately, now my family knows I bought a gun cause I went with some gun-toting family members, so I'm hesitant to ctb and cause them any guilt. I really want to but I do not want anyone I care for to feel like they helped or caused me to ctb. Hopefully can get more practice ammo and enjoy my new gadget in the meantime.

That's a tough circumstance now that your family knows. I have always gone to great lengths to hide my firearms possession from people IRL (including family). I suppose the best you could do is to keep under the radar (minimize red flags and what not) and when the time comes, go without making as much of a scene. If you feel that you want to write a note to bring your family closure, feel free to do so. I hope things will play out in your favor.

If you're rich enough, buy a S&W 500 Magnum. Your head will be blown clean off.

That's a lot of recoil, and aiming properly is also very important too (aiming in the realm of the brainstem).

 

[xaea13]

That's a tough circumstance now that your family knows. I have always gone to great lengths to hide my firearms possession from people IRL (including family). I suppose the best you could do is to keep under the radar (minimize red flags and what not) and when the time comes, go without making as much of a scene. If you feel that you want to write a note to bring your family closure, feel free to do so. I hope things will play out in your favor.


That's a lot of recoil, and aiming properly is also very important too (aiming in the realm of the brainstem).

Question: If I live in the US (in a state with fairly lax gun laws) and I buy online, I'd need to complete a background check when I go to pick it up from an FFL. Are those supposed to be completed right there on the day of (whenever it's ready to pick up), or are they usually delayed? This is more about convenience/purchasing it quickly for me, because I'm not concerned about failing the check.

 

[TAW122]

They are completed when you come to pick up your gun from an FFL. If the BG check is successful and it proceeds, then you can usually pick it up on the same day (varies from state to state as some have a waiting period - but as far as federal law is concerned, there is no federal law requiring a waiting period, only state law). Also, if you fail a BG check, then you cannot pick it up and I believe it would be between the FFL and you on getting a refund of your purchase after fees and what not are covered (shipping back to whichever company you ordered from). Hope this answers your question and also IANAL so this isn't legal advice.

 

[xaea13]

They are completed when you come to pick up your gun from an FFL. If the BG check is successful and it proceeds, then you can usually pick it up on the same day (varies from state to state as some have a waiting period - but as far as federal law is concerned, there is no federal law requiring a waiting period, only state law). Also, if you fail a BG check, then you cannot pick it up and I believe it would be between the FFL and you on getting a refund of your purchase after fees and what not are covered (shipping back to whichever company you ordered from). Hope this answers your question and also IANAL so this isn't legal advice.

Thank you for the answer m8. So to my understanding, I get the BG check done when I go to pick it up?

 

[TAW122]

Thank you for the answer m8. So to my understanding, I get the BG check done when I go to pick it up?

You would go to the FFL that you sent your firearm to. You would do the BG check when you go there to pick it up (not before). If you pass (which most of the time you should unless you have a disqualifying factor such as a serious conviction, under indictment of a serious crime, have an active restraining order against you, adjudicated mentally defective/involuntarily committed, etc.), you get it on the same day as you walk out the store.

 

[Marauder]

Hello dear friends, I have a question:
I have bought Revolver RUGER KSP 321x (SP101) - 357 magnum. Short barrel. I also have hollow point bullets (from Geco). I know where to shoot myself to hit brainstem but I am still considering if wouldnt be better to buy more powerful gun. Like 44. mag or casull. Do you think larger calliber weapon is more leathal considering recoil? Some people say recoil wont effect your aim because it happens after the bullet leave barrel.
I also to make sure ctb will be succesfull I could shoot myself in the bathtub so if i wont hit brainstem, I will drown.
What do you think?
Cheers

 

[TAW122]

I think the weapon you chose is plenty sufficient (especially with the hollow point rounds as well). As for larger calibers, it wouldn't be necessary as they are oftenly used for hunting big game animals and defending against those kinds of animals. Yes, the recoil would be even greater. With regards to the bathtub, it's an added insurance but you'd have to make sure your tub is deep enough (like 2.5 feet) and filled to the brim. Anyways, I think you should be good to go.

 

[Wayfaerer]

SN is my chosen method but I need a contingency plan in case it falls through. I have access to a AR-15 and a Glock 23. I do not want to use my AR so my glock is my only option. However, due to being a compact model, it has a short barrel. So, if I were to use it, I would need to aim at the outside of my head. Is there a reliable way to identify the brain stem from the outside?

Also, the only ammunition I have for the pistol is FMJ. Would this reliable enough for the job or is JHP really necessary?

 

[TAW122]

Outside the head is a bit trickier (at least for me) since you would need to aim behind the ear, underneath the upper part of the earlobe and even then it's tricky. For ammo, I'd say while a FMJ could work, I'd trust a JHP more due to it's expanding property (dumping more of the bullet's energy at the affected area versus just "punching through").

 

[Marauder]

SN is my chosen method but I need a contingency plan in case it falls through. I have access to a AR-15 and a Glock 23. I do not want to use my AR so my glock is my only option. However, due to being a compact model, it has a short barrel. So, if I were to use it, I would need to aim at the outside of my head. Is there a reliable way to identify the brain stem from the outside?

Also, the only ammunition I have for the pistol is FMJ. Would this reliable enough for the job or is JHP really necessary?

Right behind your ear (I am reposting picture from user TiredHorse).