Method Guns/firearms megathread

[Wayfaerer]

Damn, I would be so afraid of messing that up!

 

[Marauder]

Damn, I would be so afraid of messing that up!

I have same thoughts and that is why firearms ctb is also my last resort method since every person have different shaped ears and head, but with hollow point bullets there should be larger wound. Maybe you should also do it in bathtub so if you fail to hit brainstem your shot will knock you off anyway and you will drown while unconscionsness. Maybe also consider buying more powerful weapon than glock.

 

[Wayfaerer]

I have same thoughts and that is why firearms ctb is also my last resort method since every person have different shaped ears and head, but with hollow point bullets there should be larger wound. Maybe you should also do it in bathtub so if you fail to hit brainstem your shot will knock you off anyway and you will drown while unconscionsness. Maybe also consider buying more powerful weapon than glock.

I'm afraid to fill out a form 4473 because I went to the ER for phenibut withdrawal last summer. Now that that information is out there, I don't want to run the risk of getting denied on it and then having a knock on the door sometime after. The anticipation would be brutal and I'm already super stressed out as it is.

 

[Marauder]

I'm afraid to fill out a form 4473 because I went to the ER for phenibut withdrawal last summer. Now that that information is out there, I don't want to run the risk of getting denied on it and then having a knock on the door sometime after. The anticipation would be brutal and I'm already super stressed out as it is.

Thats too bad. Rather dont risk and buy JHP bullets instead. That glock you have is 9mm? This is my "last resort".

 

[Aap]

Using a very (relatively speaking) anatomically Imprecise drawing like that is a terrible idea, as is trying to angle a gun behind the ear, especially with minor flinching.

 

[Chupacabra 44]

@thrw_a_way1221221 I wanted to say thanks for starting and overseeing this thread. It is full of knowledge and I read it from start to finish. I've been a long time lurker and signed up for SS over the weekend. Previously, I started from page one of the SS threads and worked my way towards the current day threads. Reading lots of threads along the way. I quickly found posters that interested me, and I've always enjoyed reading your posts. I noticed you reaching out several times for @TiredHorse on the User Mega Thread and was hopeful you'd find him. But, following the details of his progress to overcome SI, I felt he wasn't likely around anymore. Like you, I found him to be a great poster. He was a favorite of mine, and I read many of his posts, whenever I came across these.

 

[TAW122]

Welcome aboard @Chupacabra 44 and while I still have a vast mountain of things to learn about firearms and things, I do know enough on how to effectively and properly use them as a method of self-deliverance. I'm glad that you found my threads useful and enjoyable to read. As for TiredHorse, yes I believe he has most likely found peace by taking the bus into the unknown. I do admit, I do miss his posts, his insights, and just general company with him.

 

[Wayfaerer]

Thats too bad. Rather dont risk and buy JHP bullets instead. That glock you have is 9mm? This is my "last resort".

No, Glock 23's are .40 S&W, the 9mm compacts are Glock 19's.

I actually was able to fit it in my mouth but I can't tell if I am aiming at my hard palate or my soft one. I wish I could turn my head translucent for like a few seconds

I had idealized suicide by firearm for a long-ass time because I was into firearms from a young age. I remember my first trip to the range when I was 16 and not long after I was given an SKS (Yugo M67) by my parents. One of the first things that I felt was relief knowing that I could end my life at the speed of snapping my fingers, seriously one of the most comforting things that I had ever felt. I thought about being an old man with nothing to lose and CTB with a classy pistol like a 1911 or a Browning Hi-Power (avatar related) but it looks like I might have to settle for an ugly glock before the age of 30

 

[Wayfaerer]

I have a question: So it turns out that I can only reach the hard palate (Glock 23) so can I just shoot through that instead? Maybe just use a little shallower of an angle?

 

[win32]

So what's the most generous shotgun + ammo combo I can get in terms of margin of error for aiming (inside the mouth obviously)? I read most of the thread but a lot of terms confuse me and I'm bad at retaining information.

 

[Good4Nothing]

12 gauge, double aught buck shot, probably.

 

[Awayout]

Hello dear friends, I have a question:
I have bought Revolver RUGER KSP 321x (SP101) - 357 magnum. Short barrel. I also have hollow point bullets (from Geco). I know where to shoot myself to hit brainstem but I am still considering if wouldnt be better to buy more powerful gun. Like 44. mag or casull. Do you think larger calliber weapon is more leathal considering recoil? Some people say recoil wont effect your aim because it happens after the bullet leave barrel.
I also to make sure ctb will be succesfull I could shoot myself in the bathtub so if i wont hit brainstem, I will drown.
What do you think?
Cheers

Regardless of what people think, the recoil is not going to matter because a bullet is travelling so fast that when fired that it is long gone before the gun even starts to recoil.

The only thing that might "mess up your aim" is when you go to squeeze the trigger, depending on how heavy to pull is, you might have gun move a few millimetres.

Any caliber can kill a person instantly but obviously a bigger caliber is going to have a higher chance of doing so. If I was to do it I'd probably pick a heavier round moving at a slower speed as it's going to do more damage. I would avoid anything smaller than a 9mm and probably avoid most rifle rounds as they travel at a great speed, leaving the chances of major damage lower as they are more for piercing. 10 or 12 gauge slug or buckshot will definitely leave a mark.

So what's the most generous shotgun + ammo combo I can get in terms of margin of error for aiming (inside the mouth obviously)? I read most of the thread but a lot of terms confuse me and I'm bad at retaining information.

When it comes to shotguns, the bigger the number, the smaller the bore (size of the hole the bullet comes out of). So a 20 gauge is smaller than a 12 gauge and 12 is smaller than a 10 gauge.

When it comes to shells there is lots of different ones but the most common are Birdshot, Buckshot, and Slugs.

Birdshot is for, well killing birds. They are a filled with lead/steel pellets. They disperse quickly making them less lethal the further the target/bird is away. As for a the size of the pellets it goes kinda like the bore of the shotgun. The higher the number birdshot, the smaller the pellets will be and the lower number the pellets will be bigger. Something to note is that the smaller the pellets in the birdshot, the greater number of pellets will be in the actual hull of the shell.

Buckshot is kind of similar to bird shot but it contains much larger lead/steel balls in them. They are more powerful and will go further than birdshot, they are typically used for later animals.

Slugs are a type of round that has a single large lead/steel "Bullet" inside of them. You'll find called different names but usually it just refers to the shape of the actual slug inside of the hull. Slug are heavy hitters, used for larger animals like deer, bores and other big fellas.

 

[win32]

When it comes to shotguns, the bigger the number, the smaller the bore (size of the hole the bullet comes out of). So a 20 gauge is smaller than a 12 gauge and 12 is smaller than a 10 gauge.

When it comes to shells there is lots of different ones but the most common are Birdshot, Buckshot, and Slugs.

Birdshot is for, well killing birds. They are a filled with lead/steel pellets. They disperse quickly making them less lethal the further the target/bird is away. As for a the size of the pellets it goes kinda like the bore of the shotgun. The higher the number birdshot, the smaller the pellets will be and the lower number the pellets will be bigger. Something to note is that the smaller the pellets in the birdshot, the greater number of pellets will be in the actual hull of the shell.

Buckshot is kind of similar to bird shot but it contains much larger lead/steel balls in them. They are more powerful and will go further than birdshot, they are typically used for later animals.

Slugs are a type of round that has a single large lead/steel "Bullet" inside of them. You'll find called different names but usually it just refers to the shape of the actual slug inside of the hull. Slug are heavy hitters, used for larger animals like deer, bores and other big fellas.

Thanks for the info. So then do I want slugs or buckshot? And would that mean a 10 gauge is more ideal than a 12 gauge?

 

[cease]

Thanks for the info. So then do I want slugs or buckshot? And would that mean a 10 gauge is more ideal than a 12 gauge?

This is my question as well. I'm no expert but I've been researching this in my spare time for the past couple weeks- 10ga is def a safer bet than 12ga, but 12ga is still plenty of gun to blow yer brains out. I'm leaning more towards 12ga only for the price- looking at one at my local Walmart that is <$300.
As far as 00 buck vs slug, at such a short range it SEEMS like they'd do about the same amount of damage (basing this on videos I've seen of folks shooting anything from pumpkins to ballistic gel) however I'd like to err on the side of caution here, which is why I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable can help me out.

 

[Awayout]

Thanks for the info. So then do I want slugs or buckshot? And would that mean a 10 gauge is more ideal than a 12 gauge?

Technically yes, as a 10 gauge is a larger caliber.

This is my question as well. I'm no expert but I've been researching this in my spare time for the past couple weeks- 10ga is def a safer bet than 12ga, but 12ga is still plenty of gun to blow yer brains out. I'm leaning more towards 12ga only for the price- looking at one at my local Walmart that is <$300.
As far as 00 buck vs slug, at such a short range it SEEMS like they'd do about the same amount of damage (basing this on videos I've seen of folks shooting anything from pumpkins to ballistic gel) however I'd like to err on the side of caution here, which is why I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable can help me out.

Both of those will do incredible damage but you got to remember because the end of the gun will be so close to the target, you'll most likely have the same results as the entire inners (slug/bbs, wad, and gases) will be coming out at great speeds and force and don't have time to spread.

 

[xaea13]

They are completed when you come to pick up your gun from an FFL. If the BG check is successful and it proceeds, then you can usually pick it up on the same day (varies from state to state as some have a waiting period - but as far as federal law is concerned, there is no federal law requiring a waiting period, only state law). Also, if you fail a BG check, then you cannot pick it up and I believe it would be between the FFL and you on getting a refund of your purchase after fees and what not are covered (shipping back to whichever company you ordered from). Hope this answers your question and also IANAL so this isn't legal advice.

Recently a buddy of mine (American) told me told me that his friend went to buy a gun for the first time - no felonies, clean record, nothing that would disqualify him - but he got delayed a few days on the BG check because the NICS system was just backlogged. I've seen similar stories on Reddit of people being arbitrarily delayed simply because of backlogs or having a similar name to someone who's ineligible. Have you ever heard of this happening? And if so, is this something I should be worried about?

 

[xaea13]

You would go to the FFL that you sent your firearm to. You would do the BG check when you go there to pick it up (not before). If you pass (which most of the time you should unless you have a disqualifying factor such as a serious conviction, under indictment of a serious crime, have an active restraining order against you, adjudicated mentally defective/involuntarily committed, etc.), you get it on the same day as you walk out the store.

1 more question: If I go to a store to purchase physically (without ordering online), do they require payment ahead of the NICS BG check, or can I wait for the BG check before I have to pay? (In case the BG check takes forever)

 

[Depressedbitch2020]

On the paper you have to fill out for the background check if you have been hospitalized but check that you haven't on the paper, will they see the hospital stay on the background check?

 

[TAW122]

Recently a buddy of mine (American) told me told me that his friend went to buy a gun for the first time - no felonies, clean record, nothing that would disqualify him - but he got delayed a few days on the BG check because the NICS system was just backlogged. I've seen similar stories on Reddit of people being arbitrarily delayed simply because of backlogs or having a similar name to someone who's ineligible. Have you ever heard of this happening? And if so, is this something I should be worried about?

It is certainly possible, depending on the time of day and when you decide to go through a BG check since a lot of people are buying firearms during this period (pandemic, unrest, and election year, etc.).

1 more question: If I go to a store to purchase physically (without ordering online), do they require payment ahead of the NICS BG check, or can I wait for the BG check before I have to pay? (In case the BG check takes forever)

I don't think you pay until you go through the background check (and successfully pass it). You have 30 calendar days from when the NICS check is initiated, so for example, if you pass a background check on say, October 20th, then the check is valid until November 19th.

@Depressedbitch2020 I don't know, and IANAL, but that is a very serious crime (lying on a government form, Form 4473 to be exact) which carries very stiff penalties (six figures in fines, up to 5 years in prison, etc.). Therefore, I would NOT recommend lying on the form in any circumstance.

 

[xaea13]

It is certainly possible, depending on the time of day and when you decide to go through a BG check since a lot of people are buying firearms during this period (pandemic, unrest, and election year, etc.).


I don't think you pay until you go through the background check (and successfully pass it). You have 30 calendar days from when the NICS check is initiated, so for example, if you pass a background check on say, October 20th, then the check is valid until November 19th.

@Depressedbitch2020 I don't know, and IANAL, but that is a very serious crime (lying on a government form, Form 4473 to be exact) which carries very stiff penalties (six figures in fines, up to 5 years in prison, etc.). Therefore, I would NOT recommend lying on the form in any circumstance.

Thanks man. I'm assuming online sales are the exception to your 2nd point, since you pay online before the check is complete.

On the paper you have to fill out for the background check if you have been hospitalized but check that you haven't on the paper, will they see the hospital stay on the background check?

I'm no gun expert or lawyer, but I can back up what TAW said. NEVER lie on your BG check. That's perjury and can land you in jail.

 

[xaea13]

I don't think you pay until you go through the background check (and successfully pass it). You have 30 calendar days from when the NICS check is initiated, so for example, if you pass a background check on say, October 20th, then the check is valid until November 19th.

Just to clarify, if for example I walked into Academy and picked out a shotgun, would I have to make an actual transaction that day, or could I wait until the BG check comes back with "proceed"?

 

[TAW122]

Just to clarify, if for example I walked into Academy and picked out a shotgun, would I have to make an actual transaction that day, or could I wait until the BG check comes back with "proceed"?

I have never purchased from a major retailer or big-box retailers before so I can't really answer accurately. However, based on my understanding, you would pick out the firearm of your choice, then you would be directed to fill out a Form 4473 and they would do the background check. If it passes, you can then take the firearm home same day (varies from state to state as some states have waiting periods). Also, sometimes in big-box retailers, if there is a delay but later comes to "proceed" they may likely not sell you the firearm as per store/corporate policy.

 

[Worthless_nobody]

If take N first the immediate shoot myself in the brain stem will the blood flow taking N to my brain be shut off? I know this might be a confusing silly questions but I want to make sure I don't fail! I know both will kill so it seems redundant but I cannot be saved! But let's say I flinch and miss brain stem will the N still shut down everything anyway? I hope I worded this correctly...I'm a mess right now. Feel free to pm if anyone would rather.

 

[TAW122]

To answer your question, combining methods itself is not really recommended by most simply because it complicates things and allows more room for error. Both N and the firearm are very, very reliable methods, with the former being much more peaceful than the latter. It depends on where you hit if you flinch and miss. If you hit the frontal lobe and don't bleed out, then there is a possibility of survival and ending up in a vegetative state (which is a fate even worse than death). Also, as for N, it will take time for it to work as it gets absorbed through the body and for the drug to take effect, so for the specifics on that one, I can't really fully answer it (maybe someone else might).

 

[Lordsudbury]

I'm Canadian and was going to go to USA to buy a gun...

Not anymore with the 'Rona ><

 

[Worthless_nobody]

To answer your question, combining methods itself is not really recommended by most simply because it complicates things and allows more room for error. Both N and the firearm are very, very reliable methods, with the former being much more peaceful than the latter. It depends on where you hit if you flinch and miss. If you hit the frontal lobe and don't bleed out, then there is a possibility of survival and ending up in a vegetative state (which is a fate even worse than death). Also, as for N, it will take time for it to work as it gets absorbed through the body and for the drug to take effect, so for the specifics on that one, I can't really fully answer it (maybe someone else might).

Thanks for the response. I know my question was a bit sciency and confusing. I tried searching on here but found nothing about if the brain stem is shot would that keep the N from working or would the N still go through arteries and shut down body? Basically does brain stem shut everything down and no blood can enter brain? if I was to shoot correctly then it's no issue but if I miss I still want the N to take me out.

I probably won't combine them I just thought in a quick situation where I need instant death I'm afraid I'll miss but then N would still hopefully finish the job.

 

[melancholy_lily]

I've had the same thought about combining SN and firearm...

Regarding the background checks I'm in CA which is one of the more restrictive states and I had to pay in total upfront. IIRC the store policy was if you failed BG you were refunded minus a restocking fee. For me, the check was done on time but I had heard the state was backlogged so I expected a possible delay. This was a few months ago.

 

[NeverGoodEnuff]

Sixteen months ago I bought a pistol at a small, privately owned gun shop in a US state where restrictions are minimal.. The background check took about 15 minutes, was done while I waited.

Four months ago, I bought a second pistol at the same shop. The BG check took three days. I paid for the gun up front because I didn't want there to be any problem, like maybe it may be sold to someone else?

A month ago, I bought a third one, at a different privately owned store, same state. The BG check took four hours. Again, I paid for it up front.

I have never been in trouble with the law except for a couple of speeding tickets. I have never been diagnosed or treated for a mental illness, alcohol or drug abuse. I know what not to say to health care providers so did not need to lie on the form. Would I lie if necessary? I don't know. Maybe.

As for a Canadian crossing over to the US to buy a gun, how difficult would it be to cross back into Canada with it?

 

[TAW122]

Sixteen months ago I bought a pistol at a small, privately owned gun shop in a US state where restrictions are minimal.. The background check took about 15 minutes, was done while I waited.

Four months ago, I bought a second pistol at the same shop. The BG check took three days. I paid for the gun up front because I didn't want there to be any problem, like maybe it may be sold to someone else?

A month ago, I bought a third one, at a different privately owned store, same state. The BG check took four hours. Again, I paid for it up front.

I have never been in trouble with the law except for a couple of speeding tickets. I have never been diagnosed or treated for a mental illness, alcohol or drug abuse. I know what not to say to health care providers so did not need to lie on the form. Would I lie if necessary? I don't know. Maybe.

As for a Canadian crossing over to the US to buy a gun, how difficult would it be to cross back into Canada with it?

I'm not sure if you are an US citizen or not, but based on your posts, I assume you are a legal resident of the US (unless I'm wrong). In the last sentence, I think there would certainly be many red flags and while I'm not familiar with all Canadian laws with regards to firearms possession in that country, I do know that crossing the border with firearms (unless authorized or under special circumstances with the right authorization, permissions, etc.) is not likely to go well. Finally, with Canadian gun laws, they are MUCH stricter and restrictive than the US.

 

[NeverGoodEnuff]

Yes, I am a US citizen. I drove through Canada eight years ago. I did have a pistol in my vehicle during this four month road trip across North America. During the planning stages, I saw on the Canadian government's website that my pistol would not be allowed. When I stopped for a visit with a family member in the US near the border, I left it with him. Retrieved it on my way back home. I wasn't going to risk trying to cross with the pistol and having it confiscated; it was a WWII pistol my father had given me.

At that time, certain pistols were legal in Canada. Their website was very helpful. Mine, the barrel was too short. So to the OP, check that out before you purchase. And I don't know about a background check on a non-US citizen?